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Old 07-28-2004   #181
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Well Matt Stephens had heart and work ethic. He just didn't make plays. He is a perfect example of someone limited by his abilities. The guy hit his cap and that was not at the NFL quality level.
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Taking Hollings in the supplemental draft was a gamble & far from a sure bet. As are several of the later picks in this past draft. One that needs mentioning is Jammal Lord now here is a gifted talent that just needs a chance to shine and has the size to play multiple positions. I bet a cold beverage IF he gets a chance to play WR he will excell, along with AJ that would be a couple big strong receivers.

Why do I mention this because both are gambles but given the right situation both can succeed. The problem is that there was such a glut of talent in the 2004 draft that blue chip starting capable players went deeply through the entire 2nd round. I'm sick and tired of hearing excusses that the Oakland pick was predicated as only a late second round pick, even so WORSE CASE a wonderful talent would have been available without the question marks of rehab or changing positions. Those should be reserved for later rounds.

I would rather have Greg Jones with the 55th pick than Hollings (33rd pick) anyway, as long as we're all dreaming in never never land
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Old 07-28-2004   #183
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Taking David Carr withe the first pick in the 2002 draft was a gamble. There are no guarantees. Just ask the Cardinals, Chargers, and Bengals. They have had multiple top 10 picks that have been busts over the past 15 years.
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Domanick HAS NOT messed up anything in his legs. Tony is always gonna be hesitant to run up the middle just like Fred Taylor
FYI--Domanick Davis underwent arthroscopic left knee surgery (torn meniscus) after 2000 spring drills, in 2001 he suffered a left knee medial collateral ligament sprain and a high ankle sprain. Seems he has messed up things in his leg and that people do recover from leg injuries to not run hesitant after a while.

Also, in terms of pro-scouts seeing potential in him, here is a quote from John McClain about him:

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I'll let you be the judge, Julio. As you know, Hollings was a safety during his first two years at Georgia Tech. Because of injuries, he asked coach Chan Gailey for a chance to play running back. Before he suffered a knee injury that required reconstructive surgery, he played four games as a junior last season. Hollings carried 92 times for 633 yards and 11 touchdowns. Now, Julio, here's what I pay the most attention to: National Scouting Combine rated him as one of the top-seven senior prospects in the country. Only four seniors on National's list were rated ahead of Hollings. BLESTO, the combine the Texans are members of, rated Hollings among the top-10 seniors. Only six were rated higher. That means general manager Charley Casserly surrendered the second-round pick he acquired from the Raiders, which should be a low No. 2 pick considering Oakland played in the last Super Bowl, for a player who's among the top-seven or top-10 prospects in the country, depending on which scouting combine you trust the most. By the way, the combines have Hollings at almost 5-11 and 223. He has been timed in the 40 anywhere from 4.39 to 4.44.
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Jamal Lewis ran hesitant after his surgery too. He second year back he no longer ran that way.
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1. This type of resoning to me is flawed- "That means general manager Charley Casserly surrendered the second-round pick he acquired from the Raiders, which should be a low No. 2 pick considering Oakland played in the last Super Bowl". Frankly I don't buy it, never have and never will.

2. Statements like this- "a player who's among the top-seven or top-10 prospects in the country, depending on which scouting combine you trust the most". Sounds like several stock recommendations I recieved 5 years ago, don't believe any of them. Heck I'd rather trade Hollings to the Finns for the rights to Ricky Williams, take my chances in a change of scenery & returning to Texas might ease his mind enough to return to football. That has more potential than traveling down the path were on in this thread.
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OK personally I think that there will be no way that Hollings takes the job from Davis unless Davis get injured, or plays horribly.

What has hollings showed yall that gives you a reason to believe that he will be an elite NFL RB. He has speed, wow, thats wonderful, what else does he have? Average vision, basically no quickness and cutback ability, no receiving talent, not good at picking up Blitzing LBs, what is it.

DD may not have the seed to break 70 yards, but he will give you positive yardage basically every play because he falls forward, stop on a dime agility, hands that at this point I say are more reliable than Corey Bradfords, great balance and the ability to bounce off defenders like a pinball, low center of gravity, nice blocking skills. Oh and 1031 yards after starting after the 6th game and being out for a couple. Had he been the starter in game one he probably would have had over 1300 yards. Yeah Hollings is going to challenge DD.


If the Fins give us a 1st rounder for Hollings id trade him in a new york second, firstly because their O revolved around Ricky Williams so they will probably win like 5-6 games this year. A top 10 pick would be extraordinary.
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i honestly doubt hollings will be traded to the fins...who would we have for back up...wells? please no way casserly would go into a season with our main back up being wells...hollings isn't going anywhere for the time being...although i have to agree with buffsoldier on this one...if they offer their 1st rounder for him...i'd take it...next years draft should be a good one and without ricky we could be in line for derrick johnson or some other high profile rookie...maybe jammal brown the OT from OU
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1. This type of resoning to me is flawed- "That means general manager Charley Casserly surrendered the second-round pick he acquired from the Raiders, which should be a low No. 2 pick considering Oakland played in the last Super Bowl". Frankly I don't buy it, never have and never will.

2. Statements like this- "a player who's among the top-seven or top-10 prospects in the country, depending on which scouting combine you trust the most". Sounds like several stock recommendations I recieved 5 years ago, don't believe any of them.
Heck, they are just professional scouts. I'd think a bunch of us message board guys could do better than B.L.E.T.S.O. any day.
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fwiw, it's BLESTO.
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potential is all we are riding on at this point. The guys hasn't made it through a season as a running back and only played 4 games before getting injured. If he switched from DB to HB because of injuries, I just don't get that. The oxymoron is that even though he's dodging DB injuries, now he has to cope with RB ones. It was just way too high of a pick for this type of player. Was it really that hard to imagine Oakland's slide considering how old the talent was? If we didn't gamble on him we could have got Tatum Bell, Greg Jones, or Julius Jones. Not a bad group at all in addition to the slew of other talented players at other postions to chose from. We just might have missed on that one.
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It is one thing to think the Raiders might slide a bit. It seems like a huge stretch though to think the pick would slide 30 slots.

1. Everyone one of the "with the 33rd pick in the draft we could have gotten [insert player]" are just irritating. A REASONABLE expectation would have had the Raiders around 8-8. Now if you ask who we could have gotten around the 50th pick, I could buy that. Talking about the 33rd pick in the draft is assuming we could see the future. If I had that I would have won the lottery a few times by now.

2. At this point DD has shown he can get 1000 yards in a season. He has shown some good things, but he doesn't look like a 1st tier RB to me. That is my opinion.

3. Scouts around the NFL were big on Hollings for a good reason. He has the tools to be a big time back. The reason more teams didn't step up to the plate (in the supplemental draft) is the same reason that McGahee fell in the draft, he is a risk due to the injury. Hollings fell some more because of his limited college experience. But let me reiterate, scouts like this guy. He has the "p" word. While he may never live up to it, he has higher potential than DD IMO. Is he a roll of the dice? Sure.
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You are right, I wouldn't have guessed that high in the draft. At the time however there were many grumblings on these boards that said we might end up with a better pick than last in the round. I would have thought the Raiders would finish in the 9-7 10-6 range, but still would have kept it due to fact that he was damaged goods for that high of pick with minimal experience. Just my opinion. O didn't expect DD to do anything last year but be a 3rd down out of the backfield reciever. I felt that Mack and a backup were was sufficient, and we still had Wells. I wouldn't put MCGahee and Hollings in the same class when you compare stats and ability. McGahee I would have taken a chance on if he were in the same situation as Hollings. Hollings just didn't prove enough by only playing 4 games against weaker opponents.
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If he switched from DB to HB because of injuries, I just don't get that.
Ses, they mean the starting RB's were injured so Hollings asked to be tried out at RB to replace them, not that he had injuries as a DB and so moved to RB.
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Thanks Infantry, I stand corrected.
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I know its been a while since last season.. but EVERYONE was agreeing last season that DD was awesome but just didnt have the size to muscle his way into the endzone. Thats not a terrible thing.. alot of backs dont have that .. and yah you can blame it on blocking if ya want.. but the fact of the matter is that if you had had Mack in there when it was 2 yards to the goal.. he probably could have muscled his way in unless blocking just totally collapsed.

And the Patriots game. We had it on the goal line.. either in the 4th quarter or in overtime.. and DD couldnt get it in on 3 attempts.

i absolutely love DD.. he is my favorite player on the team.. im NOT knocking him. I just really think that a big back backing him up would be prefferable to a small speedy one.
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What about Norris or Baxter? I think I would have given the ball to one of them after the 2nd failed attempt...
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Tony Hollings is perfect in backing up DD. I hope the Texans use Jarrod Baxter coming up this season in goalline situations because it could get very rough and the potential of being injured increases significantly. I just don't want either DD or TH getting injured. We need them to make a serious playoff push!!!
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I know its been a while since last season.. but EVERYONE was agreeing last season that DD was awesome but just didnt have the size to muscle his way into the endzone.
Hazarding a guess here, but I doubt there has ever been a subject that EVERYONE here agreed on. Anyway, given that the two RB's with the highest season totals for TD's ever Emmitt Smith 5'10" 209 lbs and Priest Holmes 5' 9" 213 lbs (heights and weights included for Lucky) are basically the same size as DD, I would say the line work and for lack of a better description a nose for the end zone count more. Compare them to Fred Taylor who even though 232 lbs has had some difficulty at the goal line and thus the Jags had first Mack and now Greg Jones to punch the ball in.
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thats all fine and good... but doesnt change the fact that a large back would COULD force his way into the endzone and get us those short yards for a first down WOULD be more useful than another fast back. Variety never hurt nobody on a football field.
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