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Old 11-15-2005   #1
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Here is my break down of the passing game for this week. Times are in 1 second increments off the game clock. Comments on OL play on positive plays are provided for judging whether additional time available if needed. If the WR or TE number is even, they are split even unless noted otherwise. Positive play has the very minimal definition of successful for one of the designed options not that it was the best call or execution.

1st QTR

10:07 3rd & 12 3 WR-2R, Wells & Morency, shotgun. Carr reads right then dumps to Morency at 10:05 for 7. OL did well except Brown about to lose contain on LDT. Positive play.

4:24 1st & 10 2 WR-L, 2 TE. 4:23 ball out to AJ at LOS who goes for 8. Positive play.

4:04 1st & 10 2 WR-L, TE-R. 5 step drop—4:01 ball out but overthrown to AJ 35 yds down field. Pass protection OK except Wade and Riley double LDT and LB comes in free on delay to hit Carr at release. Predominant fault Carr.

3:14 3rd & 4 4 WR, shotgun. Carr gets ansy and takes off right at 3:12 without major pocket breakdown. Throws the ball away at 3:09 before going out of bounds. Predominant fault Carr.

2nd QTR

10:30 2nd & 8 2 WR-(AJ mtns L to R to put both R), 2 TE. Designed roll right. Rivers doesn’t get out to block safety. 10:26 Carr throws at AJ’s feet on R sideline just prior to getting popped by safety. Wade and Riley allow LDE to split them and he is in hot pursuit as well. 50/50 Carr/Rivers.

10:25 3rd & 8 3 WR-2L, TE-L, shotgun. 10:23 ball overthrown to Gaffney. Wade is abused by LDE to outside. Brown is saved from whiffing on stunting RDE by shoving him into the backside of McKinney. Predominant fault Carr.

2:55 1st & 10 3 WR-2R, TE-R. 3 step drop—2:54 ball out to AJ on left sideline for 1st down. Good thing play didn’t need 2 seconds because pocket is crumbling. Riley looked like he got away with a pretty flagrant bulldog. Positive play.

2:20 1st & 10 3 WR-2R, TE-R. 5 step drop—Carr looks right then dumps left to Wells at 2:17 for 6 yards. Pass protection good—left side held ground much better than right. Positive play.

1:05 1st & 10 3 WR-2R, TE-L, shotgun. Carr looks left then 1:03 ball deflected by Freeney while trying to dump to Morency to the right. Riley should have stayed engaged on Freeney. Predominant fault Riley.

:30 3rd & 7 3 WR-2L, TE-L, shotgun. :27 ball incomplete to Gaffney. Don’t know if poorly thrown or Gaffney not where expected due to contact resulting in offsetting flags. Pass protection very good including by Rivers who solos a guy. Non-play.

:25 3rd & 7 3WR-2L, TE-L, shotgun. Carr appears to check left, then center then :22 dump to Morency right for 6. Pass protection very good including Pitts solo on Freeney. This play seems like an example of the O self limiting itself. The pass protection has been so bad they are hammering Carr to get rid of the ball which eliminates the possibility of him sitting in a good pocket and taking advantage of time to let the WR’s make something happen. As the Texans D has seen many times, if the QB gets 6 seconds, someone is coming open. Positive play.

[The Texans let the clock run out without taking a 4th down shot. That is inexcusable IMO. Let the clock roll down to 1 or 2 seconds if you want to make sure the Colts don’t get the ball and take a shot down field.]

3rd QTR

14:54 1st & 10 3 WR-2 L, TE-R. 5 step drop—checks middle then 14:52 dumps to Rivers at LOS on right side for 3. Rivers makes a good block prior to releasing. Good pass protection to release point, but RDT has just busted into the pocket past Brown clear to Carr when ball is released. Positive play.

11:38 3rd & 3 3 WR-2L, TE-R, shotgun. 11:37 ball out to AJ right sideline for 1st down. Positive play.

11:14 1st & 10 2 WR, TE-L. 7 step drop. Carr has about 2.5 to 3 seconds then pocket has disappeared—not so much any one OL getting beat as whole thing shrinking to nothing. Carr steps up and then breaks forward just shy of LOS so sack for a foot. Tough call on fault IMO—once the pass protection broke down folks were right on top of Carr to take a swipe at a ball being brought up to throw away. Net difference on the game was negligible—loss of down, within 1 foot of LOS. 50/50 fault Carr/Pass Pro.

10:34 2nd & 11 3 WR-2L, TE-R. 3 step drop—10:32 1st down slant to AJ. Carr about to be hit by LDT who is by Riley. Positive play.

8:31 3rd & 1 2 WR-L, TE-R. 8:29 TD out to Gaffney. Pass protection OK but pressure coming up the middle. Positive play.

5:10 2nd & 10 3 WR-2R, TE-L. 5 step drop—Carr looks right, middle, then dumps to Rivers at left LOS at 5:08. Wade saved by RB assistance on outside rush. Positive play.

4:24 3rd & 8 3 WR-2R, TE-R, shotgun. Carr checks right then 4:21 throws left sideline jump ball to AJ, incomplete through AJ’s hands—IMO AJ should have made the catch. Pass protection very good. Predominant fault AJ.

4:07 1st & 10 2 WR, 2 TE. 3 step drop—4:05 poorly thrown ball to Gaffney left. Predominant fault Carr.

4:04 2nd & 10 2 WR, 2 TE. 5 step drop—4:02 ball out to Gaff for 1st down on left sideline. Carr about to get hit by stunting RDT. Positive play.

2:41 2nd & 11 3 WR-2L, TE-R. 3 step drop. Riley let’s LDT thru virtually unmolested—saved from instant sack by Morency, but middle of the pocket is now a scrum pile. Carr hesitant about which side of Brown to run around, gains 3. Predominant fault Riley.

1:59 3rd & 8 3 WR-2L, TE-L. 5 step drop—check left, dump to Morency right at 1:57 for 6 yds. Pass protection good. Positive play.

4th QTR

11:24 1st & 10 3 WR-2R, TE-R. 5 step drop—Carr checks right then dumps left to Wells for 6 at 11:22. Freeney about to pounce on Carr after inside spin gets Pitts off balance and he falls to the ground. Positive play.

10:06 3rd & 1 3 WR-2L, TE-R (motion). 3 step drop—10:05 ball out to Armstrong for 1st down on slant. Carr about to be hit at release by blitzer. Positive play.

8:46 2nd & 7 3 WR-2L, TE-R. 3 step drop—8:44 1st down slant to Armstrong. Pass protection good. Positive play.

8:21 1st & 10 3 WR-2R, TE-R. 7 step drop—8:19 McKinney lets RDT thru unimpeded for sack. Predominant fault McKinney.

7:47 2nd & 14 3 WR-2L, TE-R. 5 step drop—pump fake right, throw behind Gaff at left sideline at 7:45. Riley abused and his man about to hit Carr. Predominant fault Carr.

7:42 3rd & 14 3 WR-2R, Wells & Morency, shotgun. Brown beat by Freeney who flushes Carr up the middle for 6. Predominant fault Brown.

7:10 4th & 8 3 WR-2R, Wells and Morency, shogun. Carr stays in unsteady pocket—throws incomplete (in front of) to Gaff at 7:07. Would love to see coaches tape because Gaff is asking for a flag. Predominant fault Carr.

4:30 2nd & 7 3 WR-2L, TE-R, shotgun. Freeney abuses Brown and is at Carr’s drop right along with him. This is the falling play. At the time this looked worse IMO than on review. Freeney is just about to pound Carr (Carr starts to take dive) when Brown yanks Freeney’s trailing arm to stop hit—draws a flag for a flagrant hold. Barring the hold Carr would have been pounded. Predominant fault Brown.

4:24 3rd & 15 3 WR-2 L, TE-L, shotgun. Carr checks left then dumps right to Wells at 4:22 just before getting hit by RDE Pitts whiffed on. Positive play.

31 called passing plays—16 positive plays, 7 negatives on Carr, 6 on pass protection and 1 on AJ.
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Good stuff Infantry, It was pretty clear that Carr was missing his throws, but was under constant pressure. The last play on 4th down Carr clearly didn't have a sense for the game. It looked like Gaffney was going to get open but that never materialized and it looked like for a microsecond he was pondering taking off. Carr was off today, but I would just love for once for him to get into a rythm and not have so many pressure issues.
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Appreciate the work as always.

I was hoping that the shot gun would cure what ails us, but we were 3-11 in shotgun formation.
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Awesome breakdown.

Why don't we run the slant more? It seems to be successful. At least when other teams do it to us,(which is most of the time).
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Always interesting reading. I wish you had the coaches tape so you could see what was going on downfield. The Carr took off for no reason might be explained by what or was not going on downfield. A couple of the "Carr faults" could be labeled as "receiver faults" as they were not open. In some of those cases Carr basically threw the ball away as his time was up.

It would be nice if you could add how many total we had blocking vs. how many total they had rushing. It will give you an idea about what is going on downfield as in how many they have covering our receivers.

Thanks for your work.
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The Carr took off for no reason might be explained by what or was not going on downfield.
Could be, but I don't think so. Frankly, I think the Carr runs for no reason criticism has been overstated, at least in the last 5 games, but this one seemed pretty clear. He still had 1-2 seconds to wait to see if someone developed. Something important to remember in that regard is if he stays in the pocket, the receivers have a better chance of coming open because of the 5 yd contact rule but once he leaves the box he becomes a runner and the DB's can waylay the receivers as potential run blockers so getting open becomes tougher. JMO but that was a bad choice by Carr. Now the game tape might have shown whether his bad decision made a difference. Could have been everyone was covered and he would have thrown it away from the pocket.
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Looks like Riley was beaten a lot. Good thing he'll be ordained to replace Wade if Weigert is back.

It also appears the line played worse in the second half. I haven't rewatched the game yet and wasn't able to pay close attention at the time - did Freeney play the tackle position more in the second half to avoid the double and triple team? Did we reduce the amount of double teaming? Did the line just get tired? Did Carr get happier feet? Something else unidentified?????
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Nice job...and I'll post more later but these two plays stand out right away.
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4:04 1st & 10 2 WR-L, TE-R. 5 step drop—4:01 ball out but overthrown to AJ 35 yds down field. Pass protection OK except Wade and Riley double LDT and LB comes in free on delay to hit Carr at release. Predominant fault Carr.
Gaffney was 2-3 steps in front of Cato June (a linebacker) in the deep seam but Carr throws the ball to a well covered AJ on this play.

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11:14 1st & 10 2 WR, TE-L. 7 step drop. Carr has about 2.5 to 3 seconds then pocket has disappeared—not so much any one OL getting beat as whole thing shrinking to nothing. Carr steps up and then breaks forward just shy of LOS so sack for a foot. Tough call on fault IMO—once the pass protection broke down folks were right on top of Carr to take a swipe at a ball being brought up to throw away. Net difference on the game was negligible—loss of down, within 1 foot of LOS. 50/50 fault Carr/Pass Pro.
I see a perfectly fine pocket and Carr was in no danger of a sack until he panics too soon and runs right into the pass rush basically sacking himself on the play.
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Great analysis, infantrycak, and appreciated as always.

There seems to be a general breakdown by every segment of the offense at some point or another, which is why I don't criticize Carr as the dominant player to fault. When I view each play up and down, the most glaring part is inconsistency is the only constant!

Is it bad talent, bad execution, or bad coaching? Perhaps all of the above?
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It also appears the line played worse in the second half.
There were more obvious passing downs so line weaknesses became more exposed.

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I haven't rewatched the game yet and wasn't able to pay close attention at the time - did Freeney play the tackle position more in the second half to avoid the double and triple team?
Freeney got moved inside and stunted much more in the 2nd half. Frankly we weren't double teaming him all that much even if the formation indicates TE-L. Although Pitts had a couple of cases of cranial flatulence in the game, when going up against Freeney he had his A game on.
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I see a perfectly fine pocket and Carr was in no danger of a sack until he panics too soon and runs right into the pass rush basically sacking himself on the play.
This one was a tough one for me. To me it looked like Carr should have held longer, but if coverage was good down field, the result would have been more negative yardage. I decided either way both were at fault--certainly subject to interpretation.
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Could you break down the Eagles passing game from last night (LOL) - I didn't see the whole game, but if David Carr played like D. McNabb did last night he would be absolutely crucified on this board. Then I heard a Raider fan on Rome absolutely whining about Kerry Collins. So I guess the question is how many message boards reflect that the fans love or even like their starting quarterback. Manning and Brady come to mind off the top of my head. And Roethlisberger.
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Infantrycak asked me too add my thoughts...and I've finished the first half. My thoughts are in bold. This isn't meant to challenge his breakdown...but just to add my thoughts as per his request...I will get to the second half later. Unlike a few folks who have characterized Pitts as receiving constant help, I found that Pitts was alone on the vast majority of the passing plays and did a fantastic job on Freeney. Also, there were several targets in pass patterns on most of the passing plays. I find that Carr didn't make any huge mistakes but he didn't make any plays downfield and had plenty of protection. Carr had less than 50 yards passing on the half, made several bad throws, busted the pocket numerous times and even sacked himself on the one sack. I didn't add the two plays that I commented on earlier.

1st QTR

10:07 3rd & 12 3 WR-2R, Wells & Morency, shotgun. Carr reads right then dumps to Morency at 10:05 for 7. OL did well except Brown about to lose contain on LDT. Positive play.

A 3 yard pass w/4 yard yac on a 3rd and 12. We are in 3rd and 12 because on the previous play Carr audibles to a run left on 2nd and 11 (imagine that). Colts in basic cover2 and corners are in man press on the outside and the slot is uncovered. Both backs release so Pitts is one on with with Freeney with 5 targets in a pattern. Cato June makes nice open field stop on Morency


3:14 3rd & 4 4 WR, shotgun. Carr gets ansy and takes off right at 3:12 without major pocket breakdown. Throws the ball away at 3:09 before going out of bounds. Predominant fault Carr.
3 WR’s in the pattern. No TE or back covering Pitts. TE over Wade. Colts only rush 3 as DT (Reagor) backs out into coverage as a spy instead of rushes. Nice pocket with McKinney, Riley and Wade on Brock, Breunner and Wells on Mathis, and Pitts and Brown on Freeney. No reason to scramble right and out of the pocket. Problem compounded because 2 of the 3 WR’s are on the left side of the field.

2nd QTR

10:30 2nd & 8 2 WR-(AJ mtns L to R to put both R), 2 TE. Designed roll right. Rivers doesn’t get out to block safety. 10:26 Carr throws at AJ’s feet on R sideline just prior to getting popped by safety. Wade and Riley allow LDE to split them and he is in hot pursuit as well. 50/50 Carr/Rivers.
Ace formation with AJ in motion to the right for stacked WR right before snap. Rivers misses block (slow to read) on June who comes in hot after recognizing the roll out. He could have given Carr another beat or two. Ball thrown out of bounds.

10:25 3rd & 8 3 WR-2L, TE-L, shotgun. 10:23 ball overthrown to Gaffney. Wade is abused by LDE to outside. Brown is saved from whiffing on stunting RDE by shoving him into the backside of McKinney. Predominant fault Carr.
5 targets in pass patterns. Pitts one on one with Freeney again. Good pocket…Carr not rushed. Wade had his hat on the stunting Brock just long enough to get the job done….Brock was no factor in the play. Guards and Center pick up stunt very well. Carr doesn’t appear to look to the 2 eligible targets on the right side of the field at all. Bad pass with Banks catching pass on one hop that landed out of bounds. Color TV guy mentions that Gaffney was open, although you cannot see the full pattern

2:55 1st & 10 3 WR-2R, TE-R. 3 step drop—2:54 ball out to AJ on left sideline for 1st down. Good thing play didn’t need 2 seconds because pocket is crumbling. Riley looked like he got away with a pretty flagrant bulldog. Positive play.
3 WR’s in pattern as TE over Wade. Pitts uncovered. Quick hitter (3-step drop) to AJ on a 5-6 yard stop pattern….aj makes a nice move for some yac and a 1st down. Riley did the patented belly flop on Triplett (hard to catch the number but it was in the 70’s)

2:20 1st & 10 3 WR-2R, TE-R. 5 step drop—Carr looks right then dumps left to Wells at 2:17 for 6 yards. Pass protection good—left side held ground much better than right. Positive play.
TE (Rivers) over Wade who releases. Pitts uncovered once again and completely stones Freeney. 5 targets in downfield patterns. Carr pump fakes right but awfully quick to dump to Wells on a 0 yard pass (with a 6 yard yac) as 4 other targets in patterns and no real pressure.

1:05 1st & 10 3 WR-2R, TE-L, shotgun. Carr looks left then 1:03 ball deflected by Freeney while trying to dump to Morency to the right. Riley should have stayed engaged on Freeney. Predominant fault Riley.
TE over Pitts and 5 targets in patterns as Rivers chips the stunting Simon and releases. Riley was on Freeney who stunted all the way from the RDE to tip the pass going to the right (Morency was 2 yards behind the LOS) and I can’t see how Riley was at fault here at all. Riley was between Carr and Freeney the entire time and Carr didn’t have any imminent danger of being sacked since Riley is between Freeney and Carr, and Carr had no pressure otherwise.

If you look at the top of the screen and freeze it at 1:03 AJ is wide open with nobody near him on a stop pattern. This just looks like another case of Carr predetermining where he is going to throw the ball. No way I asses Riley as the culprit here. Watch the replay and you will see that Carr was totally unaware of Freeney and makes no attempt to throw it over his head. Carr was looking left before this throw but I guess he didn’t see AJ since he looked determined to throw the -2 yard pass (Morency -2 yards behind the LOS).

At this point in the game Carr is 4 of 8 for 35 yards had has been given excellent protection with multiple targets in pass patterns on the passing plays.


:30 3rd & 7 3 WR-2L, TE-L, shotgun. :27 ball incomplete to Gaffney. Don’t know if poorly thrown or Gaffney not where expected due to contact resulting in offsetting flags. Pass protection very good including by Rivers who solos a guy. Non-play.


:25 3rd & 7 3WR-2L, TE-L, shotgun. Carr appears to check left, then center then :22 dump to Morency right for 6. Pass protection very good including Pitts solo on Freeney. This play seems like an example of the O self limiting itself. The pass protection has been so bad they are hammering Carr to get rid of the ball which eliminates the possibility of him sitting in a good pocket and taking advantage of time to let the WR’s make something happen. As the Texans D has seen many times, if the QB gets 6 seconds, someone is coming open. Positive play.

5 targets in a pass pattern. Pitts one on one again and handles Freeney with ease. ALL DAY to throw the ball and ZERO pressure but instead of making a downfield pass, Carr is quick to dump the ball to Morency -2 yards behind the LOS on a 3rd and 7 with no pressure whatsoever.
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Unlike a few folks who have characterized Pitts as receiving constant help, I found that Pitts was alone on the vast majority of the passing plays.
Very true--if anything, I would say Pitts has handled plays better when one on one than trying to interact with someone assisting him.

Have to look back for some things, but two comments, one on the play Freeney batted down, Riley wasn't allowing pressure, but IMO not just he, but a lot of our OLmen seem to think it is ok to block for 2 seconds and then let go. If he had stayed actively engaged at that point the ball wouldn't have been batted down. Doesn't mean it would have been a great play, but better effort would have helped. The other comment is on AJ being open--was he the 1st read, 2nd or 3rd? Just pointing out, this quick read and release system may or may not have passed him by while off screen and he came open after Carr progressed on. Have to look back, but just so folks understand coverage and reads are the hardest two things to read from broadcasts, IMO.
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Very true--if anything, I would say Pitts has handled plays better when one on one than trying to interact with someone assisting him.

Have to look back for some things, but two comments, one on the play Freeney batted down, Riley wasn't allowing pressure, but IMO not just he, but a lot of our OLmen seem to think it is ok to block for 2 seconds and then let go. If he had stayed actively engaged at that point the ball wouldn't have been batted down.
Watch it again...you may be shocked. Riley was in front of Freeney the entire time.
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Watch it again...you may be shocked. Riley was in front of Freeney the entire time.
I agree Riley is in front the entire time, just not engaged. It may be smarter from a pass protection standpoint for him not to pursue Freeney, but if he was locked up on him the pass could have gotten off. I am not overly critical of either Carr or Riley on the play--basically Freeney was Freeney.
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The other comment is on AJ being open--was he the 1st read, 2nd or 3rd? Just pointing out, this quick read and release system may or may not have passed him by while off screen and he came open after Carr progressed on. Have to look back, but just so folks understand coverage and reads are the hardest two things to read from broadcasts, IMO.
I don't know but I saw 4 or 5 guys in a patterns with good protection and Carr constatly dumping to the backs. I thought you had good views on your plays on balance.
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Unlike a few folks who have characterized Pitts as receiving constant help, I found that Pitts was alone on the vast majority of the passing plays.
Well that is good news. They had game planned help from the guard and some RB chipping. I saw some guard help when I watched the game live; now I'm excited to check my recording tomorrow. It is stunning to me that the coaches adjusted to allow him more one-on-one action in response to him being able to handle it. I know it must have made him happy. He was less than pleased with the tight end help he received in Seattle, so he's probably happy now too.

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