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Old 11-15-2005   #21
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Shantee Orr is definitely not a MLB, and Smith, Walker, Payne, and TJ cannot play 4-3 DE. Assuming we have the same defensive personnel as this year (which we shouldn't after free agency and the draft are done) here is what our defensive starters should look like:

4-3:
DL (L-R): Babin; Payne/Walker/Johnson; Smith; Peek
LB (L-R): Greenwood/Wong; Wong/Polk; Orr
CB: Robinson; Buchanon (after he learns to cover someone within 5 yards)
S: Brown; Earl/Simmons

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DL (L-R): Walker/Johnson ; Payne; Smith
LB (L-R): Orr; Wong; Babin; Peek
CB/S same as above
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If we go to a 4-3 we have to draft a middle linebacker - or we need to sign a FA to play there. Greenwood is the most suited but he isn't physical enough.
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Payne and Smith are the truest DT's on the team. Why do people keep wanting to put them at DE in a 4-3? Walker especially, and maybe TJ have the skill set to be good LDE's. Smith at 4-3 DE just isn't happening.
I agree. That is basically what I said earlier. I guess guys are just guessing where players should go without any actual facts.
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I take it you have Wong playing LLB? I didn't follow Wong at Minnesota. Was he a subpar MLB? I know Cleveland recruited him to play MLB for them (when Davis was HC) the same year we recruited him to play OLB for us.
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I take it you have Wong playing LLB? I didn't follow Wong at Minnesota. Was he a subpar MLB? I know Cleveland recruited him to play MLB for them (when Davis was HC) the same year we recruited him to play OLB for us.
I think he would make a better conventional 4-3 strongside Sam linebacker than Babin would. I just don't think he looks too instinctive in the middle where you have to be a heat seeking missle type. I'd draft a MLB and put Greenwood at the will and Wong over the te on the strongside.
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SmithI think is qicker off the snap than Walker. Walker and Payne will be able to play inside because they have the size and skills to lock down the middle. They take up two blocks in a 3-4 lined up over the center and tackle, they should do the same lined up over guards. having robaire on the strongside edge will sacrafice us in the pass rush a bit but will stop from getting run over in the running game where babin at the strongside is hurting us. And TJ can play end to some degree. A 4-3 doesn't neccesarily mean we need smaller faster guys. Our big guys will do assuming we don't get anybody in the draft to help the D. I also think we can play both Babin and peak as ends on 3rd downs. Have ya even seen our nickle package? It is basically the same thing except our ends are not all the way down.
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SmithI think is qicker off the snap than Walker.
no way. Walker is a lightning bolt off the line and Smith is a big plodder.
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SmithI think is qicker off the snap than Walker. Walker and Payne will be able to play inside because they have the size and skills to lock down the middle. They take up two blocks in a 3-4 lined up over the center and tackle, they should do the same lined up over guards.
Have you actually seen Walker and Smith standing next to one another? Smith makes Walker look like a dwarf in comparison. There is absolutely no way Smith could play an effective LDE in a 4-3.
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i think the a good point was made about the defensive end position with the personal we have we might want to go to a Dungy type defense where we have undersized ends...in that case peek and babin would be ideal...but i would also look to draft another one...someone like va tech's trapp...i also believe we'll look to trade g-funk off for a true MLB which will allow us to have wong at the strong side and greenwood weak side...remember charlie anderson has the typical size to be the strong side outside linebacker...the new coaching staff might give him more of a look
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I think we need to stick with the 3-4 because we have already been getting players to fit into that scheme and it would set us back on defense. Plus our 3-4 isnt that far off from being solid we just need a couple of players on defense maybe two more line backers..., safeties and corners will have to be adjusted regardless
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SmithI think is qicker off the snap than Walker.
If Smith has ever been quicker off a snap than Walker there was at least one little yellow hanky in the air for encroachment.
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Thank god for the off season..........
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i think he has been making too many mistakes in the passing game to keep him as a fulltime starter
He is a rookie and rookies make mistakes. How he does in the rest of the season determines if he starts next year. I think he will play well.
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If ya have been watching you will notice that Ro-bear consistently gets penetration, but in our 3-4 scheme we don't cut our guys loose and let them do that all the time. Walker I see gets more double teams, so I think that he will be better in the middle of a 4-3, and Ro-bear has the size and quickness to force teams to run opposite of him. I Do think if we get the first overall we should trade the Jets for their first and Vilma. Vilma would be great in whatever system we run. I also think Babin would be a bett LOLB than Anderson and I think Anderson is the better pass rusher of the two and he would play down on the line.
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I dont think theyd give up vilma...
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If ya have been watching you will notice that Ro-bear consistently gets penetration, but in our 3-4 scheme we don't cut our guys loose and let them do that all the time. Walker I see gets more double teams, so I think that he will be better in the middle of a 4-3, and Ro-bear has the size and quickness to force teams to run opposite of him. I Do think if we get the first overall we should trade the Jets for their first and Vilma. Vilma would be great in whatever system we run. I also think Babin would be a bett LOLB than Anderson and I think Anderson is the better pass rusher of the two and he would play down on the line.
Why would the Jets trade Vilma?
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I was bored last night and i came across this DE/OLB, He has been with the oakland raiders and chicago bears, he hasn't done to much on the field, but his Combine numbers look good, and if were gonna switch to a 4-3 he might be a good fit, starting or backing up, but i don't know as much as some of you guys, so tell me what you think, here is his prospect profile

http://http://www.nfl.com/draft/prof...ierson_shurron


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