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Old 11-14-2005   #21
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McKinney is horrible, he gave up another sack this game, it wasn't on Carr either.
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I agree completely, it seems as if the line is blocking better though, but David seems to be getting rid of the ball too soon now, anyone agree?
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McKinny seemed to do pretty well at LG, but at Center he has NEVER been anything but marginal at best. We seemed to be getting our line working with the line of:
Pitts..McKinny..DHog..Can't remember...Wade

Then the wheels fall of when DHog gets hurt and a couple of others and we are back to having a turnstyle for a line.
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Yes Pitts is a Good Tackle, yes Wand is a bust, but if we draft it will be tough,

First Off we got a easy schedule,if we play respectable, win games again Kansas City,St.Louis, Arizona, And San Fransico, heck even Baltimore, we could get a top 10 pick, trade away a high priced o-lineman and Buchanon for some picks, heck we could be like the bears this year,true they're in a weak divison, even though their record doesnt say that (6-3). All we need to do is Draft Right, sign key free agents(not like we did with pace.

Here is what i would like to see next year

Draft 2006

Round 1: An O-lineman(Dbrick ) or a second reciever
Round 2: One of the above
Round 3: A corner back to oppose Dunta Robinson



Offense

QB: David Carr
HB: Dominick Davis
FB: Moran Norris
WR1: D're Johnson
WR2: I dont know Gaff Mathis or a Draft pick?
LT: Pitts DUH!
LG: McKinney
C: Hodgedon
RG:Wade?
RT: D'Brick


Defense

LE:Freeney!(like thats gonna happen ) G-Funk
RE:TJ
DT:Seth Payne
DT:Not Sure?????
LOLB: Jason Babin
MLB: Kaillee Wong (Get well soon )
MLB: Morlon Greenwood Mon
ROLB: Antwan "to rich to pay child support' Peek
CB1: D ROB!
CB2: Draft Pick or Pettey
FS: Marcus Coleman
SS: CC Brown

Special Teams

PK: Kris"Klutch"Brown
P: Chad "MVP" Stanley
PR: Jerome Mathis
KR: Jerome Mathis
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Actually, Pitts is a better tackle than guard. Playing tackle requires more agility and quickness than brute stength. Playing guard requires more brute strength.

If they do draft D'Brickashaw, they should move Pitts to RT, as Wade is clearly too slow to play that position. IMO, Wade is just a higher paid Seth Wand.
I guess we all pretty much have the same thought, draft a left tackle, move Pitts to right. We should also have a pretty high second round to where we could draft a guard. Any one have any ideas?

This would pretty much solidify the line for the next 10-15 years, as long as salary cap lets us, O-linemen have a long life span barring injuries. Pitts, Mckinney, Hog, and two draft picks this year, we could be nearing the end of a five year struggle.

Is that a light at the end of the tunnel? Or is it an on coming train?
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Is that a light at the end of the tunnel? Or is it an on coming train?
Oncoming train?

The line has now had one good game against one good team. It doesn't mean our problems are solved, and unlike some of what I've seen on the boards, I think it will take more than replacing one lineman.

That being said, I hope the line continues to play better, but with all the trouble they've had, I'm not expecting much from them at the end of this season. I am still sticking with my 6-10 final standings for the Texans.
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you know a lot of our problems with this line is due to casserly making the trade for buchanan...how many of us before that trade was hopeing for a guard and a center to be drafted in the middle rounds of last years draft...rounds 3-5...but that's all in the past now...in my opinion with Pitts playing really really good at LT will be our LT next year no matter who we draft...mainly to give the new guy time to get his feet wet at the RT position or the LG position...meaning we trade down...let the rest of teams give us many picks for the bush/leinart sweepstakes...be a really good tackle in the first round like scott or winston about the half-way mark in the first round and pick up a 1st rounder next year a 2nd rounder this year and a 3rd next year...with those additional picks make sure you pick up david joseph if he's available, a big time TE, and a solid 4-3 DE (cause the new coach will use the 4-3 defense)
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I've been one of the few guys who have been in Chester's corner around here consistently over the years. I wish we never moved him from LT his second year because that was the best year our line has had since the start of the franchise. When we moved him out in year 3 this whole line grew worse and worse while the best LT on the team was not playing LT. Kudos to Chester - he never played HS ball and he now has never missed a game as a Pro. He has come a long way...and he is a good guy.
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Put me down as initially opposed to moving Pitts to RT. He's never played right tackle for us (or anyone), yet people here keep mentioning this as a solution. This isn't Madden; you cannot just swap players around with little to no consequence. If Pitts continues to play well the rest of the season, I say leave him at LT and draft around him. Give the man some continuity at one position and I think he'll play very well.
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Put me down as initially opposed to moving Pitts to RT. He's never played right tackle for us (or anyone), yet people here keep mentioning this as a solution. This isn't Madden; you cannot just swap players around with little to no consequence. If Pitts continues to play well the rest of the season, I say leave him at LT and draft around him. Give the man some continuity at one position and I think he'll play very well.
No kidding this isn't Madden but there is no doubt who has the best feet on this team when it comes to the line and who is 330 pounds and a pretty darn good run blocker. Pitts is athletic enough to handle edge rushers and quite large enough to handle the responsibilities that the RT has in run blocking. It's pretty obvious to me that he could handle the position although I too don’t want him moved there unless we draft an elite LT. Personally I think he would have a better career on the edge than inside. Pitts has better feet than he had hands and Guards have a lot of hand fighting to deal with.
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Put me down as initially opposed to moving Pitts to RT. He's never played right tackle for us (or anyone), yet people here keep mentioning this as a solution. This isn't Madden; you cannot just swap players around with little to no consequence. If Pitts continues to play well the rest of the season, I say leave him at LT and draft around him. Give the man some continuity at one position and I think he'll play very well.

we still need 2 tackles. so draft the best tackle available and then let him compete with pitts. whoever comes out on top should play lt tackle. and the other one should play rt tackle. makes since to me.
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And I did say "initially" opposed, because I could see a training camp competition between him and Brick (or similar). Like Vinny pointed out, I just think he'll do better on the edge, and my personal preference is left edge - if he continues his current play for the remainder of the season. I just think they need to put him somewhere and leave him, if we're going to get the best out of him. To this point, we've largely wasted the guy that the coaches keep telling us is probably the best O-lineman we have.
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No kidding this isn't Madden but there is no doubt who has the best feet on this team when it comes to the line and who is 330 pounds and a pretty darn good run blocker. Pitts is athletic enough to handle edge rushers and quite large enough to handle the responsibilities that the RT has in run blocking. It's pretty obvious to me that he could handle the position although I too donít want him moved there unless we draft an elite LT. Personally I think he would have a better career on the edge than inside. Pitts has better feet than he had hands and Guards have a lot of hand fighting to deal with.

hey vinny, i know we dissagree on that one half against seatle. but since i think we both agree he's looked very good. he also looked good in his second year playing lt tackle.

i hear that he is a better run blocker than pass blocker. but when ive watched him closely in a couple of games this year it looks like he is better at pass blocking. it seems to me that he is better suited at tackle.

what i dont understand is why the coaches think he would be a better gaurd. is it his size or his run blocking ability or do they just not think he is not quick enough to be a tackle. or is it that thay are just dumb.
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hey vinny, i know we dissagree on that one half against seatle. but since i think we both agree he's looked very good. he also looked good in his second year playing lt tackle.

i hear that he is a better run blocker than pass blocker. but when ive watched him closely in a couple of games this year it looks like he is better at pass blocking. it seems to me that he is better suited at tackle.

what i dont understand is why the coaches think he would be a better gaurd. is it his size or his run blocking ability or do they just not think he is not quick enough to be a tackle. or is it that thay are just dumb.
Man, you just hang on to that post exchange about when you went out of your way to dog Pitts don't you? U betcha we disagree on that one because he didn't grade out poorly from what I gathered from my contacts...and believe it or not...I have excellent team contacts. Pitts did a credible job early in his career at LT too...under the circumstances. I was one of the few people who saw through the hysteria the Pitts bashers brought forth.

On the coaches...I don't think they assess talent well and I could point to tons of bad personnel moves on pro players as well as how we have let go of many guys who ended up playing well in other places. I mean...what staff in the NFL would play Riley at LT other than us? Pitts is more of a finesse lineman than a mauling run blocker. He is pretty unique for a guy close to 340 pounds and carries his weight very well and has tremendous balance. His only real problem over the years has been inexperience since he didn't start playing football until he got to College. I think Pitts best years are still in front of him.
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Pitts HAS done pretty good these last few games, but really we've been in a quick pass situation most of the time. I will reserve judgement on Pitts until we actually have an offense that can be aggressive and where the QB has faith in their protection to let plays develop. Is Pitts our best lineman, yes....on a team that is 1-8 and given up the most sacks in the league and is below average in the running game. It's all relative.
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I'm not picking on Chester, he IS a good athletic. But, he's a perfect example of the product you get when you are coached and the front office and the coaches give you a lot of support. Now, wonder what would have happen if Wand had been treated like Chester? He had less penalities and sacks his first year as a starter than Chester. Wonder if our O-line would have looked better this year if Pendry had left it alone?

Chester has been an assest to this team, but, even Chester would acknowledge all the help and support he has been given.
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Man, you just hang on to that post exchange about when you went out of your way to dog Pitts don't you? U betcha we disagree on that one because he didn't grade out poorly from what I gathered from my contacts...and believe it or not...I have excellent team contacts. Pitts did a credible job early in his career at LT too...under the circumstances. I was one of the few people who saw through the hysteria the Pitts bashers brought forth.

On the coaches...I don't think they assess talent well and I could point to tons of bad personnel moves on pro players as well as how we have let go of many guys who ended up playing well in other places. I mean...what staff in the NFL would play Riley at LT other than us? Pitts is more of a finesse lineman than a mauling run blocker. He is pretty unique for a guy close to 340 pounds and carries his weight very well and has tremendous balance. His only real problem over the years has been inexperience since he didn't start playing football until he got to College. I think Pitts best years are still in front of him.
i was just asking a question. wasnt trying to get into an old arguement. and by the way. im still right about that.
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I'm not picking on Chester, he IS a good athletic. But, he's a perfect example of the product you get when you are coached and the front office and the coaches give you a lot of support. Now, wonder what would have happen if Wand had been treated like Chester? He had less penalities and sacks his first year as a starter than Chester. Wonder if our O-line would have looked better this year if Pendry had left it alone?

Chester has been an assest to this team, but, even Chester would acknowledge all the help and support he has been given.

i dont think wand has as much talent as chester.
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We'll never know. Wand hasn't been coached and supported like Chester. Maybe with new coaches things won't be so rosy for Chester or on a new team Wand will shine or maybe not. There is no way we will ever know and who can "judge" the better athletic, certainly not our coaches and you'll never get anyone on this message board to agree.
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