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Old 11-11-2005   #21
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With Riley back on the line, we are a long ways from winning. A loooooooong ways from winning. You'd be better off putting your money on the Clippers to win it all this year.
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I still can't believe the attitude around here. Our team doesn't share the same "we're gonna lose" attitude as some of the fans on this board. Maybe this explains why a Super Bowl Championship has never had Houston's name on it.
C'mon, now, you know we're just having fun.

Do you honestly think that fans actually have any influence over winning / losing? Do you believe, for an instant, that some kind of cosmic karma leaps from the hope and love of fans down to the field?

Superbowl Championships never had Houston's name on it because there were always better teams that beat the Oilers. Plain and simple. Nothing more, nothing less.

And it seems to me that either fans are realistic (but called "negative"), or delusional (called "positive") around here.

Why can't it simply be that we all HOPE they win, but know that the reality of a 1-7 dog team vs. an 8-0 elite team will end in the same results 99.9% of the time?

I'm amazed at the extremes. Like moderate thinking is lost concept.
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Superbowl Championships never had Houston's name on it because there were always better teams that beat the Oilers.
And cause the curse of the Dome/Astroturf

That's why the Astros dont have a World Series...
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And cause the curse of the Dome/Astroturf

That's why the Astros dont have a World Series...
That's why I fully support the imploded demolition of the Astrodome asap. No nostalgia, no historical significance BS, just get rid of that freakin' bad karma just 50 yards away from our nice, pretty stadium

About the Astros...notice they had their true success AFTER leaving the 'dome?! Three postseason series won and a trip to the World Series in the past two years, which is more success than the previous 42 years combined!!

Coincidence?! I think not!*

(*disclaimer: obvious sarcasm intended)
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That's why I fully support the imploded demolition of the Astrodome asap. No nostalgia, no historical significance BS, just get rid of that freakin' bad karma just 50 yards away from our nice, pretty stadium
Paint it up in John Deere Green. See if anyone notices.....
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Paint it up in John Deere Green. See if anyone notices.....
Now we're talking. We can start dressing it up like the gold dome of the WAMU bank off Buffalo Speedway and 59 only MUCH bigger. For each home game we paint it with the Toro images crushing the opponents like the opening video sequence at the games. As they fly in, they see the images and get scared... Or we build a time-machine out of a Delorean and go back to the beginning of our franchise and choose a coach with an actual winning record to lead them. Oh, how'd I digress from such a wonderful original idea, I'm sorry.
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Do you honestly think that fans actually have any influence over winning / losing?
absolutely.
watch Indy at home (like duh, you will be this weekend) and listen to the crowd and how they work with the team.
watch UK (college basketball) and see how the crowd feeds the team to excel at Rupp. the 12th man is very important to a home game. if the stadium were filled with Texans every home game and made noise at the right times, it'd be very hard for anybody to walk away with a victory.
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I'm very aware of the power of the 12th man as it relates to homefield advantage and defensive stands. It's what the Texans Demolition Crew is all about! (we're hoarse after every home game, regardless if we win or lose. Making noise for the enemy offense is what we live for!)

However, that being said, I don't think our brainwaves or magic karma directly translate into on-field performance. (Otherwise, the Astros would have won at least ONE WS game! ).
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sure it does, if the players appreciate their fans. when you've got 30some thousand people cheerin' their guts out for you, it drives you to play harder for 'em, to keep 'em screamin'. there's an adrenaline rush that comes with it that helps you step up your game, that causes more of the cheerin', that feeds the adrenaline, and so on so on. i've been to enough Wildcat games to see this work. players feed off that stuff.

get that stadium filled and your Texans could very well be a serious contender... if that O-Line could get its act together.
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get that stadium filled and your Texans could very well be a serious contender... if that O-Line could get its act together.
Full stadiums do not improve your talent. This sounds nice and stuff but the fans don't have too much ability to improve a bad team.
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Full stadiums do not improve your talent. This sounds nice and stuff but the fans don't have too much ability to improve a bad team.
No, fans dont improve talent, but they improve records. There is a reason its called "home field advanage", you know?
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C'mon, now, you know we're just having fun.

Do you honestly think that fans actually have any influence over winning / losing? Do you believe, for an instant, that some kind of cosmic karma leaps from the hope and love of fans down to the field?

Superbowl Championships never had Houston's name on it because there were always better teams that beat the Oilers. Plain and simple. Nothing more, nothing less.

And it seems to me that either fans are realistic (but called "negative"), or delusional (called "positive") around here.

Why can't it simply be that we all HOPE they win, but know that the reality of a 1-7 dog team vs. an 8-0 elite team will end in the same results 99.9% of the time?

I'm amazed at the extremes. Like moderate thinking is lost concept.
Please tell me how the Colts are an elite team? The teams that they have beaten this season so far have not been in the top ten. The Pats are #12 and their hurting bad. Indy hasn't proven anything. Hell, yeah their good...for now, but it doesn't mean their unstoppable. You have nothing to feel embarssed about...they do. Their day will come and it will be soon.
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I love an optimistic fan. I'm w/ you. GO TEXANS!!!! Go steal one from Indy for us.
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Full stadiums do not improve your talent. This sounds nice and stuff but the fans don't have too much ability to improve a bad team.
you're missin' the whole point.
it won't improve talent, but it'll make the guys play harder, and make more use of the their abilities. most of your skill positions are great players. the only problems i've seen in the Texans is the coachin' staff and the offensive line... everything else is there. if the stadium (whatever it's called) were full of rowdy fans week in and week out, instead of half empty and those that are there wearin' bags, then your team would play a lot harder.
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Do you believe, for an instant, that some kind of cosmic karma leaps from the hope and love of fans down to the field?
Well, I guess stuff like "god willing" answers that question
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I cant remember the last time i saw ANY team listed as a 17 1/2 point dog in the NFL .... That just doesnt happen . The Texans may not win this game but they sure as hell WILL cover that 17 1/2 ....

I think this is what the oddsmakers do and how they see all the games.
They look at the first meeting of our teams (Played in Houston). They see we won by 17/18 points and figure, "O.K., Colts win on the road in Houston by this amount of points, now we focus on the same two teams played in Indy. We spot the Colts 14 points plus we add the already given 3 point spread to the home team and that totals to 17 points."
Thats the only way I see how their minds work. Other than that, I feel the point spread is too much and so does espn picks for week 10. I believe they have houston accross the board except one Colt prediction not to cover the spread. Reality tells us that a 17 point spread is too much given how well Houston plays us year in and year out. I feel we will win but at most, by 9 points. We just have to stay focused which I think Dungy has been preaching all week because this is a divisional game and not an ordinary out of division game. We could have lost to the Patsies and it would have made little difference for our quest to go to Detroit. But that game was a Pride game and a big Hump game and sparked alot of confidence for our boys in blue. Now we come to a much more important game.....Divisional Rivals. These are games we need to win to stay atop for the number one seed.
Good luck Sunday. You fans are the greatest!
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In Indy, Colts flying high, Mathis and Freeney at the DE positions, Edge wanting to pad is stats for his contract, same with Wayne. We may be down 28-0 before we even get a first down.

At least we may see a lot of Jerome Mathis!!!

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I'm obviously a big fan of the Houston Texans, and have been since year one. I know this football team. Those of you that have read my posts know that I am, for the most part, an optimisitc fan.

Now, this year could defintely be better. But, we are a better team than our record shows. We fight hard with emotion, we are a smart football team, have talent and coaching, just need to make bigger plays at bigger times.

I also know when this team is ready to play, and pumped up. They are ready to take of the Colts this upcoming Sunday in the RCA Dome. We are mad that nobody is giving us a chance to even come close. We're a 17.5 point underdog. Lets face it: this game, the pressure is on them, not us...we really have nothing to loose this game.

I guareente we beat the Indianapolis Colts this Sunday, giving us our second win, and them they're first loss of the 2005 season. We will win this game, mark it down. I promise.

I want some of that crack you are smoking! I think we will beat the spread though...
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you're missin' the whole point.
it won't improve talent, but it'll make the guys play harder, and make more use of the their abilities. most of your skill positions are great players. the only problems i've seen in the Texans is the coachin' staff and the offensive line... everything else is there. if the stadium (whatever it's called) were full of rowdy fans week in and week out, instead of half empty and those that are there wearin' bags, then your team would play a lot harder.
Well, good teams will be inspired to play harder by crowd noise, but teams that lack chemistry won't be inspired by anything.

Case in point was the last game of the season last year against Cleveland. The stadium was PACKED with fans hoping to see our first 8-8 season. The team had played a pretty good season overall, and this would be historic chance for the franchise to go into an off-season without a losing record.

Guess what....they played flat in spite of 70,000 fans screaming their heads off and hoping for the win.

I'm not underestimating the power of a home-field advantage. Football is probably the only sport where the collective power of fans can directly influence play on the field (both by inspiration, and by disrupting the opposing team's offensive organization - ie. false starts, failed audibles from crowd noise, costly time outs).

But like Vinny said, no amount of fans can improve the talent and leadership of the team itself.
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