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Old 11-11-2005   #61
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I'll never understand fans that can't be tolerant of a dissapointing year. Every team has them. Why should we be an exception?

That's true Vinny, Look at the Green Bay Packers this year. They are as bad as the Texans! Bet their fans aren't calling for a boycott. I bet they are like me yelling like crazy and wearing Texans gear.
Where are all the Astros hats and t-shirts. You don't see many wearing them now! Guess the bandwagon jumpers have left for greener pastures!

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Its coaching and nothing else is wrong. Yea, we could have changed the emphasis of our draft some, but that is simply a coaches biasis too. Frustrating isn't it?
Jimmy Johnson said that 95% of the Texan downfall is team talent, not coaching.

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No one's asking for the Texans to be Super Bowl contenders. We just ask for 8-8 or better.
Jeez... most teams in the NFL are not winning teams, expecting a 4-year team to be a winning team is ridiculous!

So tierd of insane fan expectations, you might as well expect that superbowl next year but get ready for the team not to reach your expectations.
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Expecting 1 or 2 more wins from last year is ridiculous? I think even the FO, coaches, and media were predicting a good (winning) season and possible playoff run for the Texans this year based off last year's performance.... CRAZY these people are!!

Ah, but it's just being optimistic. I think the biggest thing is no one (or very few) saw this big of a drop off between year 3 and 4 for the Texans.

I may be way off, but maybe it's because teams know how to game plan for us. Just like during halftime where game "tweaks" happen, or may not happen, to adjust for the second half... we havn't had much tweaking to throw opposing teams off year to year. Just a thought.
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Jimmy Johnson said that 95% of the Texan downfall is team talent, not coaching.

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Where did you read that??! I heard just the opposite. Can't remember where I read it, but, JJ was blaming the coaches and the GM for the downfall of the Texans.
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On a pre-game show either last week or the week before JJ was very critical of Casserly's job of drafting and trading. I don't recall it being said as in the Texans' players are untalented, but more in a direct criticism of Casserly that he had missed opportunities to give more talent to the coaches to work with.

Marcus started a thread with a Chronicle article about this.
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'83 was pretty bad - probably as bad or worse than this year's version of the Texans... and we still had Earl - but not much else. I recall going up to Minneapolis that year to watch the winless Oilers take on the Vikings sometime around mid-season. It was the game where a scrambling Archie Manning threw the windmill softball pitch underhand pass to some receiver that's forever etched in the blooper reels. That game was almost as embarrassing as the Texans recent trip to Seattle - at least it wasn't on national tv.

There was a lot of excitement when Hugh Campbell and Moon came in in '84 but that quickly died. It really didn't get fun again until the end of the '86 season when Glanville's boys won their last four home games (including wins that helped knock the Bengals and Vikes out of the playoffs) - the dawning of the House of Pain.
But as a ratio of expectations vs. success it was a completely different scenario. Per your point, we had Earl and little else. No one expected us to win w/Archie and Luck and whoever else was playing for us back then.
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Expecting 1 or 2 more wins from last year is ridiculous? I think even the FO, coaches, and media were predicting a good (winning) season and possible playoff run for the Texans this year based off last year's performance.... CRAZY these people are!!

Ah, but it's just being optimistic. I think the biggest thing is no one (or very few) saw this big of a drop off between year 3 and 4 for the Texans.

I may be way off, but maybe it's because teams know how to game plan for us. Just like during halftime where game "tweaks" happen, or may not happen, to adjust for the second half... we havn't had much tweaking to throw opposing teams off year to year. Just a thought.
Well, saying "We just ask for 8-8 or better" IS ridicilous!
Just.. JUST??
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Agree. I've been around since Blanda,Tolar, and Charlie Hennigan, and no Oiler team that I can remember (OK, I'll give you failing memory) was as bad AND as dull as this team that the Houston Pablums have cooked up.
I've been here since the Oilers were back to back 1-13. That's 2-26 over two years for the Einsteins. There is no way we are as bad as the team was then. There are just times when the team is going to struggle. Each year teams put a plan together...but so do all the other teams. Just so happens that some plans fail and some plans come together. When they fail you regroup and you get after it the next year.
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That's true Vinny, Look at the Green Bay Packers this year. They are as bad as the Texans! Bet their fans aren't calling for a boycott.
The Packers have tasted success, have multiple NFL Championships in their history to reflect fondly upon. They are a winning franchise that is experiencing an expected downturn in the cycle.

We have never even sniffed the playoffs, much less a winning season. Sure, we almost touched a .500 season last year, but breaking even is not success. It's mediocrity.

If we have a cycle, it's now a cycle of losing. Hey, last year we weren't as big of losers as this year! wooohooo!

You can't compare the Packers and the Texans. It's not even close to a fair comparison. It's not even apples and oranges. More like comparing apples and styrofoam.

oh yeah, GO TEXANS ....always and forever.
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I think the reason everyone had high expectations for this year is because we were told to expect more. We are in the 4th year of a 5 year plan. Calling it a down cycle would presume we had already completed our original plan and now have to rebuild due to defections in free agency because our players are more desired by other teams and defections in coaching because of the same. This has not happened. Jeff Posey and Kenny Wright are two players we let go through free agency. We cut Sharper and Aaron Glenn. Apparently they were no longer a part of the 5 yr plan, they were only to get us to year 4. Face it, we were sold a bill of goods telling us that this year we should expect a run at the playoffs. It was all a part of the five year plan. We all bought into it and that's why we're so perplexed about why our team is possibly one of the worst in NFL history. Through 480 minutes of play this year, our team has led for somewhere around 10-15 of them. That is not what we were told to expect.
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Jeez... most teams in the NFL are not winning teams, expecting a 4-year team to be a winning team is ridiculous!

So tierd of insane fan expectations, you might as well expect that superbowl next year but get ready for the team not to reach your expectations.
Asking a 7-9 team to go 8-8 the following season is unreaslistic? If we ever have a ridicolous post contest, can I be first in line to nominate this one? This goes into the ridicoulous post HOF.
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Why are we bringing negative stuff up again. I thought we finished this thread.
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Asking a 7-9 team to go 8-8 the following season is unreaslistic? If we ever have a ridicolous post contest, can I be first in line to nominate this one? This goes into the ridicoulous post HOF.
One can hope and wish for a 8-8 or better season, but for anyone to EXPECT something that only a few teams succeed in, that IS ridiculous, especially then one afterwards demand people fired to the left and right. According to that line of thought more than half of the teams should fire their entire organization every year.
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One can hope and wish for a 8-8 or better season, but for anyone to EXPECT something that only a few teams succeed in, that IS ridiculous,
Seventeen teams finished 8-8 or better last year. That's more than half the teams in the league. Expecting 8-8 the year after a 7-9 season is not ridiculous or unrealistic, especially when a team is in a building mode - allegedly.

I don't think this team, with the current management and coaching staff, is capable of giving us more than 7-9 even if you give them four more years. The next coaching staff should get even less time (3 yrs max) to produce a winner (that would be 9-7) since there's already a semblance of a foundation built. I was very patient through Year 3 with this team. My patience is running thin now because the team is obviously going in the wrong direction - bumps in the road be dammed.

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Where did you read that??! I heard just the opposite. Can't remember where I read it, but, JJ was blaming the coaches and the GM for the downfall of the Texans.
Page C2 TV-Radio Notebook by David Barron in this mornings Chronicle.
Barron says it was on the Fox Sports conference call this week. Howie Long was questioning Johnson about taking the GM job in Houston.

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I have had enough. Until we have a new coach I will not spend one more dime on Texans memoriblia and I will not buy any thing else at the stadium.
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It is interesting seeing all the blame gaming and speculation on talk radio and message boards about the Texans.

Once in a while, you hear or read something that sounds spot on, but most of the time the stuff that people are saying is all illogical blathering. When a team loses, folks go nuts and start talking crazy stuff, parsing every public utterance, critizing every gesture, commenting on body language and facial expressions, doing hindsight drafts, grasping for anything that might be "The Answer."

Don't you wish you had a dollar for all the silly things people say about the Texans?

Sometimes I think the worst part of losing is hearing the stupid things that people say about the team after the loss. Factual discussions of the game I can listen to, but the speculating and stupidity just kills me. I don't like thinking that way about other Texans fans, but I just do. I can barely listen to 610 after the game when some of the more crazier comments are made.

And also the gratuitous ugly defeatest pot shots that people take after losses are hard to take too. I betcha before the team plays on Sunday, John McClain thinks up a list of at least 10 snide insults and analogies he can make about the team. Then he just fills in the rest of his Monday column with a few stats. Hello, the team lost, it is obvious--stop just piling on with nasty tired stuff you think is funny and maybe throw in some thoughtful analysis instead of just insults.

I usually like McClain's stuff, but some of his columns on the Texans just seem like lazy Don Rickles stuff with a few canned stats thrown in.

I know that stupidity and ridicule come from your team having only 1 win, but it gets excessive after a while, and hard to find insight among all the blather.

Whenever I hear a statement of someone that says "As a PSL owner who spent bladitty blah money on Texans....", all I can think is that don't you think that Bob McNair who has spent zilliondy dollars on the team wants the team to be successful???

These days, there is parity in the NFL. The talent is similar but injuries and scheduling can really make a big difference.

See e.g.: http://msnbc.msn.com/id/9798495/

Anyhow, the margin of error each year for a team is small. Tough schedules, loss of key players, trying to get team chemistry together, and learning up rookies etc, that for most teams, there is a thin line between a successful season and one that is not so much that way. Some stuff you do works, and some stuff you do nonworks.

I guess what I am trying to say is that there is no evidence that McNair is oblivious to how poor the team is playing, or that he is trying to run a team on the cheap like some losing franchises have, or doesn't care what the fans think about stuff.

So why boycott?

My best guess is that he believes that there is no point making a coaching change now and that a change will be made after the season, when we have more options. As an owner who is not nuts, he can't say that.

So, sit back, pop your beverage of choice, and watch the team we are lucky to have. See who can play. See who has no quit. See the rookies grow and learn. Because you can't fire the whole team, so you might as well cheer on these guys, and see who you want to stay your Texans.

All that being said, it sure would be nice if the Texans could destroy some suicide pools this weekend. Hard to do on their turf, but it sure would be fun.
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No sense in boycotting until a new coach. Who is going to coach the rest of the way? There are still some games left. And most important, NFL IS BACK IN HOUSTON!!!!

Coacn Capers has disappointed me b/c I thought he would do for the Texans what he did for the Panthers in their 2nd season - at some point in the Texans existence. I'll still watch the games, get my blood pressure up screaming at the TV for penalties, mistakes, touchdowns, etc.

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The Packers have tasted success, have multiple NFL Championships in their history to reflect fondly upon. They are a winning franchise that is experiencing an expected downturn in the cycle.

We have never even sniffed the playoffs, much less a winning season. Sure, we almost touched a .500 season last year, but breaking even is not success. It's mediocrity.

If we have a cycle, it's now a cycle of losing. Hey, last year we weren't as big of losers as this year! wooohooo!

You can't compare the Packers and the Texans. It's not even close to a fair comparison. It's not even apples and oranges. More like comparing apples and styrofoam.

oh yeah, GO TEXANS ....always and forever.


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I wasn't trying to per say compare the Packers to the Texans. I was insinuating about the Packers are having a very bad season and the fans sticking with them, not boycotting the team. I am from Louisiana and was a Saints fan for 30+ years, I know what it's like trying to support a losing team, believe me! I still wore my Archie Manning jersey proudly, and continued supporting "MY" team. I am a Texan season ticket holder and will continue to support the Texans no matter what! I still have a great time tailgating and going to the stadium to be in a NFL atsmosphere. My thinking is you are either a full fledged/die hard fan-no matter what, or a half @$$ fan that is a bandwagon jumper!

Another bigtime game coming on today for me----LSU at Alabama. Looking forward to watching that one today. Geaux Tigers!!!!!!




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