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Old 11-08-2005   #1
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looks like wiegart, hodgdon, and washington wont play.

i was sure hoping to see hodgdon back. i think our offense looked a lot better with him in there.

they did say mathis would probably play.
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any news on double d?
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i think it said he would play. (not sure). i found it at houstonchronicle.com
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man hodgdon looked like he had made a lot of progress from the seattle game on...i hope he is able to go because he looks like he could be our anchor at center
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man hodgdon looked like he had made a lot of progress from the seattle game on...i hope he is able to go because he looks like he could be our anchor at center
Some of that depends on if he gets the Wand or the Pitts treatment.

Chester was on 610 today, and they asked him how he was improving on his biggest weakness - incurring penalties at a rapid clip. He said he thought he was 3rd highest in the league in penalties his rookie year. I'm paraphrasing from memory here, but he then attributed his doing better now to being in his fourth year and finally having enough ingrained understanding and comfort with his responsibilities to play without having to think about every little thing. I think we are all fairly happy the coaches stayed with him rather than benching him after that first year as a starter.

In contrast, Wand progressed enough that he started his entire second year, (a year earlier than projected) but then was junked by the coaches before he had a chance to apply that first year's playing experience on the field. Hopefully he'll get enough playing (and practice) time due to the OL injuries to shake the rust off and show if he does have any improvement. It'll take a couple of games though as he comes back up to speed; I doubt he'll have the chance. Then I fear he'll go to another team next year and we'll be adding him to our list of players who's capabilities the coaches failed to recognize and develop.

If Hodgdon is the man at center, the coaches will have to let him have some growing pains and stick with him. He isn't going to shine and improve every game.
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Whatever you do, LEAVE PITTS AT LT!!! No matter how you shuffle the cards, Pitts needs to remain at LT. Wand at LT was horrible last week, and looking back on it, probably could have cost us the game.
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Whatever you do, LEAVE PITTS AT LT!!! No matter how you shuffle the cards, Pitts needs to remain at LT. Wand at LT was horrible last week, and looking back on it, probably could have cost us the game.
I agree, Pitts needs to stay at LT at least until the end of this year. If we bring in a stud rookie I'd put them at RT for at least half the year to get adjusted to the game, if we bring in a FA that is better than Pitts (hopefully not another Victor Riley) then move Pitts to RT. I wouldn't mind seeing Riley at RG since he is a stronger, slower type. Hodgdon is pretty good but he's so small for OL that I fear he will have injury problems and won't be a great run blocker because of his size, but he has played well.
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I always thought Wand could play RG. I say keep Pitts at LT until after next year and the rookie tackle we get should play RT for a year, I say we keep Mckinney, he's not too bad and was playing better at LG. Hodgdon can play center and I see him developing like a Mawae type, which is exciting to hope for this at center. Assuming I'm coach, this is next years line....
Pitts--Mckinney--Hodgdon--Wand--D'Brick
If we get two rookies, I doubt both will start. Hopefully we get one and begin to develope a good RG.
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I always thought Wand could play RG. I say keep Pitts at LT until after next year and the rookie tackle we get should play RT for a year, I say we keep Mckinney, he's not too bad and was playing better at LG. Hodgdon can play center and I see him developing like a Mawae type, which is exciting to hope for this at center. Assuming I'm coach, this is next years line....
Pitts--Mckinney--Hodgdon--Wand--D'Brick
If we get two rookies, I doubt both will start. Hopefully we get one and begin to develope a good RG.
i hope your not coach. cause wand cant play rg. and mckinney is gonna cost to much to keep. i think wiegert will be at rg if healthy. not sure who will be at lg.
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I think Mckinney and Pitts have started every game. If we start two rookies it will *** more problems, Instead of using weigert who I think is not any good, I would hope for Wand to step it up anywhere on the line, he has more potential than wiegert
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I think Mckinney and Pitts have started every game. If we start two rookies it will *** more problems, Instead of using weigert who I think is not any good, I would hope for Wand to step it up anywhere on the line, he has more potential than wiegert
Weigert is our best Guard and right up with Pitts as one of our best two linemen. His problems lie in his injuries, not his skills.
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Weigert is our best Guard and right up with Pitts as one of our best two linemen. His problems lie in his injuries, not his skills.
I'm having a big one over that Vinny, because you and I agree on Wiegert. Injuries is the issue. He is the O-line leader in addition to everything else you can say about him. That's why I keep saying I want a line of Wand, Wiegert, Hodgdon, Pitts and Wade left to right. I still think Wand and Wiegert would work real well together, but it will never see the light of day. Good luck Vinny and I agree it has been a very frustrating season. Youth on the O-line wouldn't be a bad think. Some healthy young colts could do wonders for us.............................
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I agree, Pitts needs to stay at LT at least until the end of this year. If we bring in a stud rookie I'd put them at RT for at least half the year to get adjusted to the game, if we bring in a FA that is better than Pitts (hopefully not another Victor Riley) then move Pitts to RT. I wouldn't mind seeing Riley at RG since he is a stronger, slower type. Hodgdon is pretty good but he's so small for OL that I fear he will have injury problems and won't be a great run blocker because of his size, but he has played well.
Keeping Pitts at LT, and drafting a rook designated for LT but playing RT to get "into the game" sounds like a good idea. I'm scared about the lack of depth at LT in case Pitts go down. A good draft pick could take care of that since FA's are starting to hurt our cap.
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http://www.chron.com/cs/CDA/ssistory...sfront/3451298
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Rookie center Drew Hodgdon may need season-ending foot surgery. Hodgdon left Sunday's game early after spraining the arch in his foot. Hodgdon, who started the last three games at center, is getting a second opinion, but the Texans fear his season is over.

"He's getting a second opinion, but chances are we could lose Drew for the year," coach Dom Capers said.
not a good time for bad news

as for next season who knows how that will turn out but they have a "plan" as to what they want it to be. (1st rounder-pitts-hodgdon-weigert-wade) thats my guess as to what the coaching staff feels will be the best combo. but weigert is struggling with injuries and wade struggles with pass protection. and we arent even sure if the staff will even be around much longer
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I'm not sure I understand the point of view that has Pitts moving the right side that I see so many people uphold on here. Pitts has only played on the left side for us and he's played rather well there, given the situation. The one area that everyone could bust his chops - penalties - has improved quite a bit this year. I have seen some plays from him at LT this year where he has simply dominated the rusher. He's the steadiest LT we have and he didn't even start the season there. I say keep him at LT, then move him to LG only if you think you've found a Pace-type LT.
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I have a question here and would like to see what others think. Capers has stated that he is committed to having Pitts play left tackle. Does this seem to be exactly the wrong time for this?

Many people have always had a preference for Pitts at tackle. Although I’m of the opinion Wand should have started the year there, this is not the point of this question. If they were going to change tackles this year, Pitts should have been put there to start the year, instead of Riley. Riley was never the answer to any question at left tackle, as far as I could see. I think the main thing Pendry liked about him was his “non-Wandedness”. So if you are going to commit to Pitts at LT, do it a game 1.

However, right now our line is a shambles. Keeping Pitts at tackle puts Weary, Brown, and McKinney in the middle, with the possibility that McKinney plays center, where he is weaker than at guard. This seems about the worst combination of players we could put into these 3 positions.

We’ll be double teaming Freeney almost constantly this week anyway, so the LT spot is less critical then when that guy is doing one on one blocking. Wouldn’t it make more sense to have Pitts play guard again for now to strengthen the middle, at least until Weigert comes back to shore it up?

It just seems to me our coaches are a couple of steps behind the parade. Examples abound. It took four games for them to see (admit?) that Riley wasn’t the answer, it is taking them forever to limit Bradford’s playing time, waiting until we're into the season to fire Palmer (right or wrong), etc.

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Personally, I think Pitts should never have left the LT position. I understand that the coaching staff thinks he's better at LG than LT, but to me, he was a young player being thrust into a difficult position and then just as he was finally beginning to adjust well, he got moved to LG. I was even OK with them projecting Wand out at LT at the beginning of last year, but I was not OK with them just handing him the job. If they really thought/still think Wand can be the LT, then work him iinto it. They've handled that situation all wrong.

I never understand why coaches tend to meddle with things like this and the reasons that are given through the media are things like the player is not a prototypical LT, or his arms are too short, or whatever. If the results are there, go with it. Feel free to question what might be, but don't question what has been. And Pitts has been the best LT this organization has had. I really think he has a chance to be the LT of the future, but that won't be realized until he gets one long look at LT, not just a few games in a row, then move it back out.

I say, despite the problems that we have with injury on the line, leave Pitts at LT for the balance of this season. At least that way, you have a better idea of whether you need a 1st-round LT or can focus on other spots.
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I say, despite the problems that we have with injury on the line, leave Pitts at LT for the balance of this season. At least that way, you have a better idea of whether you need a 1st-round LT or can focus on other spots.
That's a pretty good point, given the anguish we'll see over the use of next year's pick.

It might get real ugly Sunday though - we only had 6 net yards passing against them last game with a fairly healthy line!
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I think Pitts can do as well as anyone on Freeney (other than Pace, obviously). Help him out with Wand at LTE or something, but I think we need to see how good Pitts can really be. I think he's pretty good and if the guys around him were good and had any continuity, he'd really shine. Unfortunately, with injuries and a coaching SNAFU or two, the continuity hasn't been there.

At any rate, I'd rather see them focus on getting Pitts firmly pegged into wherever he's going to be next year and adjust accordingly.
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I just listened to Mark Breuner on 93.7. He said he was going to see a lot of Freeney this weekend, so the double team will be there.

Too bad the coaches didn't figure out that giving Wand help with Freeney last year might have been the thing to do. At least they used the off-season productively. Maybe that was their idea of improving the line - double team Freeney.
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