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Old 11-10-2005   #81
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....... I just think yall are gunna criticize DC no matter what .......
That might be the only "fact" that's been posted on this thread
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It's funny, because the only place that it's an issue is on these boards. Nobody on the radio, newspaper, etc. is saying anything about it at all.
That could be because our media throws NOTHING but softballs at Casserly and Capers. They have NOT ONCE been held to the fire - not once.

The media doesn't suprise me at all. I think we here in this group discuss things from better perspectives than the media does, IMHO!
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I think the media has to throw softballs because they need to stay tight with the teams.
Yep - half the time they seem to be more PR flacks than reporters. The coaches/teams are definitely in the driver's seat in the relationship. They can easily cut off or just give canned cliché answers to reporters who don't "play ball".
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Whew!

I read that first phrase and thought "Oh-oh, I'm going to get blasted".
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I think this season has taken us all by surprise. Who would have thought that the Texans would sink to 1-7 by mid-term. The first year, yes. After the 7-9 last season, it is surreal. Don't worry, the media will be blasting Capers & Co. before this one is done.
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Here's the latest Rankings from FoxSports.com. It places blame on Carr, basically saying he's shell-shocked.

http://msn.foxsports.com/nfl/story/5065346
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Here's the latest Rankings from FoxSports.com. It places blame on Carr, basically saying he's shell-shocked.

http://msn.foxsports.com/nfl/story/5065346
From FO's Tim Gerheim: "David Carr is now unequivocally part of the problem and not part of the solution. He bails out of the pocket too soon, and he's incomprehensibly loath to throw the ball away in obvious throwaway situations. On one play, he started scrambling immediately after finishing his drop even though the protection was viable, and he ran to his left directly into the rush. He still throws very well, but his pocket presence is abominable."

Carr is starting to get the Joey Harrington-like criticism in the national media, and it can't come soon enough. It's amazing he got a pass for as long as he did.
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Awww, this thread was funny for a while then people stopped being mean to each other.
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From FO's Tim Gerheim: "David Carr is now unequivocally part of the problem and not part of the solution. He bails out of the pocket too soon, and he's incomprehensibly loath to throw the ball away in obvious throwaway situations. On one play, he started scrambling immediately after finishing his drop even though the protection was viable, and he ran to his left directly into the rush. He still throws very well, but his pocket presence is abominable."

Carr is starting to get the Joey Harrington-like criticism in the national media, and it can't come soon enough. It's amazing he got a pass for as long as he did.
Ahem, some of us have said the same exact things, but of course, we are just Carr bashers, with no idea of what we are talking about. :brickwall
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Ahem, some of us have said the same exact things, but of course, we are just Carr bashers, with no idea of what we are talking about. :brickwall
Well I am curious. Can you point to some plays where Carr's decision to hold onto the ball for too long affected the game adversely? There are several plays that have gone down as sacks with zero yards lost or one yard lost, but other than the stat, those don't affect the game any vs. throwing the ball out of bounds. Where are the plays where the game is adversely affected. If the only affect of a QB trying (and often succeeding) to make something happen with his feet is an adverse stat with no real game adverse effect, I am having a hard time seeing the trouble. Please explain to this brick wall.
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Well I am curious. Can you point to some plays where Carr's decision to hold onto the ball for too long affected the game adversely? There are several plays that have gone down as sacks with zero yards lost or one yard lost, but other than the stat, those don't affect the game any vs. throwing the ball out of bounds. Where are the plays where the game is adversely affected. If the only affect of a QB trying (and often succeeding) to make something happen with his feet is an adverse stat with no real game adverse effect, I am having a hard time seeing the trouble. Please explain to this brick wall.
It does matter because you are losing a yard in a game of inches, and you lower the morale of your team and give the other team momentum.
 
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Well I am curious. Can you point to some plays where Carr's decision to hold onto the ball for too long affected the game adversely? There are several plays that have gone down as sacks with zero yards lost or one yard lost, but other than the stat, those don't affect the game any vs. throwing the ball out of bounds. Where are the plays where the game is adversely affected. If the only affect of a QB trying (and often succeeding) to make something happen with his feet is an adverse stat with no real game adverse effect, I am having a hard time seeing the trouble. Please explain to this brick wall.
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From FO's Tim Gerheim: "David Carr is now unequivocally part of the problem and not part of the solution. He bails out of the pocket too soon, and he's incomprehensibly loath to throw the ball away in obvious throwaway situations. On one play, he started scrambling immediately after finishing his drop even though the protection was viable, and he ran to his left directly into the rush. He still throws very well, but his pocket presence is abominable."
Pretty much says the guy isn't looking to throw even when he has time. On top of that, he has time but runs into the pass rush. A quality QB steps-up into his protection or slides away from the rush. Our QB runs blindly into it. That is extremely detrimental to the team.
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I always said the Texans should have gotten Julius Peppers and waited for a REAL franchise quaterback.
 
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Pretty much says the guy isn't looking to throw even when he has time. On top of that, he has time but runs into the pass rush. A quality QB steps-up into his protection or slides away from the rush. Our QB runs blindly into it. That is extremely detrimental to the team.
Thanks for rehashing some internet hack (aka someone just like MB members here who decided to have a web site) for me.

Now go back and read what I asked for--any specific examples from the last 4 games that anything the guy said is true in any way that adversely affected the game. Running out of bounds at the LOS simply doesn't hurt the team even if it becomes an unnecessary sack stat. For example, going from 2nd and 5 to 3rd and 5 against Cleveland is the same thing as throwing the ball away--loss of a down, same field position. So other than generalizations which may or may not be true, where are the examples.
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I always said the Texans should have gotten Julius Peppers and waited for a REAL franchise quaterback.

I knew I heard this somewhere ......
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But wait there's more.....

Carr drinks straight from the milk carton
Carr puts the empty carton back in the fridge
Carr eats the big piece of chicken
Carr scratches himself when companys over
Carr burps
Carr farts

But wait there is even more.....

Its Carrs fault there is no piece in the middle east
Carr cant find binloden
Carr let korea develop nucular weapons
Carr is the reason why there is hunger in the world
Carr is the reason there is global warming
Carr is the reason A&M defense sucks
Carr is the reason our defense sucks

did I miss anything?

Ha.
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Carr shoutout the Astros four consecutive games in the World Series
Carr's passes have an effect on Global Warming
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Well I am curious. Can you point to some plays where Carr's decision to hold onto the ball for too long affected the game adversely? There are several plays that have gone down as sacks with zero yards lost or one yard lost, but other than the stat, those don't affect the game any vs. throwing the ball out of bounds. Where are the plays where the game is adversely affected. If the only affect of a QB trying (and often succeeding) to make something happen with his feet is an adverse stat with no real game adverse effect, I am having a hard time seeing the trouble. Please explain to this brick wall.
I'm not only talking about holding the ball too long. He has zero pocket presense. Want an example? Okay, in the last set of downs on the last drive against Jax. I forget if it was 2nd or 3rd down. Carr drops back, and has plenty of time. Holds the ball, and his first read is apparently not open, (which is debatable in itself, as guys have to be wide open, or he won't throw to them) He starts to think about taking off running (there was still no real pressure on him, he has his usual happy feet) and he starts running to his right, looking like a panicked deer being chased by a hunter, which takes him right into two pass rushers, and he is sacked. I blame about half the sacks on Carr. A good QB would have stepped up into the pocket, thus avoiding the rushers (a novel approach) and found his 2nd or 3rd option. He simply has no awareness or presense in the pocket. On top of that, he has trouble reading defenses, finding 2nd or 3rd options, and seems wooden, scripted, and mechanical in the pocket and with his throwing motion. He isn't at all "instinctive", and the coaches trust him so much they even let him audible from a running play designed to go right, to one designed to go left. Maybe by his 10th season, they will let him feed himself, and change his own diapers too. His teammates think Zach Weigert is the team leader on offense, and even Steve Mckinney threw him under the bus on his weekly radio show.

But, no other than that, I think he is darn near perfect.
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Wooden, or surprised he has time? Why would Carr throw to someone that is covered?? I guess you want more interceptions because these WR's are not going to fight for ANY ball, much less make a play.
 
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"I'd like to say to the good citizens of Houston: If there is a disaster in your area, don't turn to David Carr. You just rejected him from your city," Robertson said on the NFL version of the Broadcasting Network's "700 Club."

Eight families had sued Drama, Porky, Vinny, etc.., claiming Carr hatred violates the constitutional separation of objectivity and Texan bias. The local BBS trial concluded days before last Sunday's Jacksonville game, but no ruling had been issued.

Later Thursday, Robertson issued a statement saying he was simply trying to point out that "anti-Carr actions have consequences."

"David Carr is tolerant and loving and can throw the deep ball even though our receivers can't catch, but we can't keep sticking our finger in his eye forever," Robertson said. "If they have future problems in Houston, I recommend they call on Brady Quinn. Maybe he can help them."


Seriously, we should completely overhaul, and I mean COMPLETELY (Except for maybe Pitts) the OL and give David another year to see how he does with some protection. Let's open the offense and see where we go. By this time next year, we should know where we are....or not??
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