Jamaal Charles vs. Reggie Bush - Houston Texans Message Board & Forum

Htown34s · 11-08-2005

This post stems from a conversation yesterday over lunch. We were talking how Vince Young deserves the Heisman this year and how Reggie Bush should be 2nd. I mentioned how UT's true freshman RB Jamaal Charles is the next Reggie Bush which no one agreed with. So I dug up some stats.

Actually, he has a chance to be much better then Bush: (download PDF with stats)

Charles is having a better year as a true freshman than Bush has any year except for the current season. And when you take out the 3 games that Charles played a few snaps but was injured, his per game stats are about even as this year. Of course, Bush does returns also which should tire him out a little for RB duties.

I'm not saying that Charles should be mentioned for the Heisman this year, but everyone better look out the next few seasons...

metalmike · 11-08-2005

Charles will most likely win a heisman in a couple of years. he looks amazing for a true freshman.

Coach C. · 11-08-2005

this is an unfair comparison. Reggie Bush is older and better than Jamal Charles, plus plays half the plays that Jamal does. Jamal is a running back and that is pretty much it. Jamal should be being compared to Deangelo Williams, Lendale White, Adrian Peterson, or Maroney. The kid is good, but he is not as mutli dimensional as Bush.

Huge · 11-08-2005

Ramonce Taylor is closer in style to Bush than Charles. But neither are in Bush's league.

I do think Bush had the benefit of coming out of high school with a bigger spotlight on him and it hasn't hurt that he's lived up to the hype. Therefore he's going to get more recognition for what he accomplishes. The same thing is happening with Texas' biggest star (Vince Young). If/When the spotlight dims on those guys, maybe Charles and/or Taylor will be there to step in.

**beerlover** · 11-08-2005

I guess its normal for home town fans to elevate their own and discount the competition. Jamaal is a good looking quick back at this stage of his career, lets give him another year with Vince in the backfield & see how he does, not to mention the Longhorns may be losing a couple pretty good linemen.

Htown34s · 11-08-2005

I attached a PDF with stats. Did yall take a look?

Huge · 11-08-2005

Have you seen Cody Hodges' stats compared to Matt Leinart's?

Does that make Hodges the better QB?

**beerlover** · 11-08-2005

Quote:

Originally Posted by Htown34s

I attached a PDF with stats. Did yall take a look?

yes, good beginning to be sure

Htown34s · 11-08-2005

Quote:

Originally Posted by Huge

Have you seen Cody Hodges' stats compared to Matt Leinart's?

Yeah, but Tech is nothing but a modern run and shoot scheme. JC is a legit RB. Not taking anything from Bush, he is amazing. I'm just happy we have Charles (and Taylor).

Fiddy · 11-08-2005

Comparing the two is a little too early, Bush is more dynamic because he can return kicks and punts, play WR like a WR and is a gamebreaker at RB. Charles is a gamebreak, but not as much...

At the beginning of the season Charles opened his mouth saying he would make Texas fans forget about Adrian Peterson...he backed it up, big time.

He'll be in the Heisman race his Junior and Senior year for sure.

Jerry · 11-08-2005

I like Charles a lot as a true RB, not as a Reggie Bush-type. Ramonce Taylor is someone I see as a Reggie Bush-lite/Warrick Dunn type. Both are great players, and who doesn't love Big Henry Melton running over d-lineman? The RB situation in Texas looks great right now.

**Kaiser Toro** · 11-08-2005

I do not want to compare the two, but do want to say that based on his first season Charles's future looks incredibly bright. What I love about his style of play is his great footwork and patience in allowing holes to open. His maturity on the field is uncanny as a true freshman. They have not thrown to him much, but he has shown he has hands and he has picked up blitz assigments. What I did not mention is his track resume.

I think we are looking at a future Heisman winner and top 10 pick if he stays on the right path.

**LonghornBabe** · 11-08-2005

The big key for Charles is him staying healthy! If he does......who knows what the future will hold...BUT I personally am glad he is a Longhorn! He is fun to watch!

bigcarlos · 11-08-2005

JC might win a heisman one day. Reggie plays different positions and is a threat at either one they put him at. Bush has video game like moves.

tulexan · 11-08-2005

A little early to make the comparisons. But he is definitely on the right track. Through time he should get stronger and faster too because of college conditioning. It is hard to say whether he will win a heisman at some point because you really don't know who is going to be good. But I wouldn't put it past him to be a finalist.

TexansCanes · 11-09-2005

when you look at bush you don't just look at his stats, you watch how he was able to make the plays. the old phrase he makes a 2 yard lose into a 6 yard gain, well bush makes it a touchdown. charles is good and has a very bright future, but bush comparisons are a little early.

threetoedpete · 11-12-2005

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Originally Posted by beerlover

I guess its normal for home town fans to elevate their own and discount the competition. Jamaal is a good looking quick back at this stage of his career, lets give him another year with Vince in the backfield & see how he does, not to mention the Longhorns may be losing a couple pretty good linemen.

Agreered, Saw him live in highschool. He is a great tallent no doubt. I was stuck by how tiny his ankles are. I believe they will always give him problems. He will be a great college running back. And at Texas there won't be too many folks getting clean hits on him. Just think Bush is a very rare tallent.

**infantrycak** · 09-05-2006

Didn't catch if it was Matt or Adam from 610am but one of them just made one of the gaffs of the decade. They were talking about whether Charles had a chance at the Heisman and one took the position it would NEVER happen for a RB splitting carries. Where the hell has he been for the past year?

**Kaiser Toro** · 09-05-2006

Dr. Frankenthread I presume?

Dr. Toro · 09-05-2006

Somebody compared Charles running to a wisp of smoke... and that's about as accurate a description as I can find (insert pot joke here). He's remarkable... that TD run against Oklahoma was unbelievable... he got a little bit of space and shifted from 2nd to 5th gear instantly.

He may not be as explosive or creative or have the vision or all those superlatives everyone showered on Bush, but he's two very important things... a tough runner and probably the fastest back in college (and maybe professional) football. I think his track times support that statement (10.13 hundred, even better in the hurdles). Everybody talks about Colt McCoy and this and that... but UT will live and die with Charles... if he stays healthy they will lose 1 game max.

11-08-2005	#1
Htown34s Veteran Join Date: May 2004 Age: 43 Posts: 384 Rep Power: 10	Jamaal Charles vs. Reggie Bush This post stems from a conversation yesterday over lunch. We were talking how Vince Young deserves the Heisman this year and how Reggie Bush should be 2nd. I mentioned how UT's true freshman RB Jamaal Charles is the next Reggie Bush which no one agreed with. So I dug up some stats. Actually, he has a chance to be much better then Bush: (download PDF with stats) Charles is having a better year as a true freshman than Bush has any year except for the current season. And when you take out the 3 games that Charles played a few snaps but was injured, his per game stats are about even as this year. Of course, Bush does returns also which should tire him out a little for RB duties. I'm not saying that Charles should be mentioned for the Heisman this year, but everyone better look out the next few seasons... __________________ "I'm going to win them over regardless" -Mario Williams

11-08-2005	#6
Htown34s Veteran Join Date: May 2004 Age: 43 Posts: 384 Rep Power: 10	I attached a PDF with stats. Did yall take a look? __________________ "I'm going to win them over regardless" -Mario Williams

11-08-2005	#10
Fiddy Hall of Fame Join Date: Apr 2004 Location: Houston/Austin Age: 25 Posts: 4,314 Rep Power: 17	Comparing the two is a little too early, Bush is more dynamic because he can return kicks and punts, play WR like a WR and is a gamebreaker at RB. Charles is a gamebreak, but not as much... At the beginning of the season Charles opened his mouth saying he would make Texas fans forget about Adrian Peterson...he backed it up, big time. He'll be in the Heisman race his Junior and Senior year for sure. __________________ 'Anyone ready to go outside so I can make you look bad?' - Matt Schaub talking to the DBs

11-08-2005	#12
Kaiser Toro Native Mod Join Date: Sep 2004 Location: Straight Outta Austin Age: 43 Posts: 15,890 Rep Power: 19756	I do not want to compare the two, but do want to say that based on his first season Charles's future looks incredibly bright. What I love about his style of play is his great footwork and patience in allowing holes to open. His maturity on the field is uncanny as a true freshman. They have not thrown to him much, but he has shown he has hands and he has picked up blitz assigments. What I did not mention is his track resume. I think we are looking at a future Heisman winner and top 10 pick if he stays on the right path. __________________ Texans 2012: Kidz II Men

11-08-2005	#13
LonghornBabe Tubin' Chic Join Date: Apr 2004 Location: New Braunfels, Texas Age: 41 Posts: 543 Rep Power: 572	The big key for Charles is him staying healthy! If he does......who knows what the future will hold...BUT I personally am glad he is a Longhorn! He is fun to watch! __________________ Hookem Horns and Go Texans!!! Kimberly Check out my blog at kimberlyskakery.com

11-08-2005	#2
metalmike Veteran Join Date: Sep 2005 Location: Tomball, Tx. Age: 33 Posts: 133 Rep Power: 8	Charles will most likely win a heisman in a couple of years. he looks amazing for a true freshman.

11-08-2005	#3
Coach C. Hall of Fame Join Date: Sep 2005 Location: SE Houston Posts: 1,422 Rep Power: 10	this is an unfair comparison. Reggie Bush is older and better than Jamal Charles, plus plays half the plays that Jamal does. Jamal is a running back and that is pretty much it. Jamal should be being compared to Deangelo Williams, Lendale White, Adrian Peterson, or Maroney. The kid is good, but he is not as mutli dimensional as Bush.

11-08-2005	#4
Huge Hall of Fame Join Date: May 2004 Location: Out yonder way... Age: 41 Posts: 2,386 Rep Power: 15	Ramonce Taylor is closer in style to Bush than Charles. But neither are in Bush's league. I do think Bush had the benefit of coming out of high school with a bigger spotlight on him and it hasn't hurt that he's lived up to the hype. Therefore he's going to get more recognition for what he accomplishes. The same thing is happening with Texas' biggest star (Vince Young). If/When the spotlight dims on those guys, maybe Charles and/or Taylor will be there to step in.

11-08-2005	#5
beerlover Site Contributor Join Date: May 2004 Posts: 11,358 Rep Power: 15075	I guess its normal for home town fans to elevate their own and discount the competition. Jamaal is a good looking quick back at this stage of his career, lets give him another year with Vince in the backfield & see how he does, not to mention the Longhorns may be losing a couple pretty good linemen.

11-08-2005	#11
Jerry Veteran Join Date: Nov 2005 Age: 25 Posts: 229 Rep Power: 0	I like Charles a lot as a true RB, not as a Reggie Bush-type. Ramonce Taylor is someone I see as a Reggie Bush-lite/Warrick Dunn type. Both are great players, and who doesn't love Big Henry Melton running over d-lineman? The RB situation in Texas looks great right now.

11-08-2005	#14
bigcarlos Veteran Join Date: May 2004 Location: san antonio Age: 39 Posts: 390 Rep Power: 10	JC might win a heisman one day. Reggie plays different positions and is a threat at either one they put him at. Bush has video game like moves. __________________ http://youtube.com/watch?v=ADh52Uf2EwE

11-08-2005	#15
tulexan Hall of Fame Join Date: Sep 2004 Age: 29 Posts: 5,080 Rep Power: 26	A little early to make the comparisons. But he is definitely on the right track. Through time he should get stronger and faster too because of college conditioning. It is hard to say whether he will win a heisman at some point because you really don't know who is going to be good. But I wouldn't put it past him to be a finalist.

11-09-2005	#16
TexansCanes All Pro Join Date: May 2004 Location: LSU Age: 26 Posts: 600 Rep Power: 10	when you look at bush you don't just look at his stats, you watch how he was able to make the plays. the old phrase he makes a 2 yard lose into a 6 yard gain, well bush makes it a touchdown. charles is good and has a very bright future, but bush comparisons are a little early. __________________ "He's a bad dude, I'd like to have him in our arsenal. I'd never run the ball."

09-05-2006	#18
infantrycak Lead Moderator Join Date: Apr 2004 Location: Houston, TX Age: 45 Posts: 37,478 Rep Power: 76601	Didn't catch if it was Matt or Adam from 610am but one of them just made one of the gaffs of the decade. They were talking about whether Charles had a chance at the Heisman and one took the position it would NEVER happen for a RB splitting carries. Where the hell has he been for the past year? __________________ The Art of War

09-05-2006	#19
Kaiser Toro Native Mod Join Date: Sep 2004 Location: Straight Outta Austin Age: 43 Posts: 15,890 Rep Power: 19756	Dr. Frankenthread I presume? __________________ Texans 2012: Kidz II Men

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09-05-2006	#20
Dr. Toro All Pro Join Date: Jan 2006 Posts: 728 Rep Power: 9	Somebody compared Charles running to a wisp of smoke... and that's about as accurate a description as I can find (insert pot joke here). He's remarkable... that TD run against Oklahoma was unbelievable... he got a little bit of space and shifted from 2nd to 5th gear instantly. He may not be as explosive or creative or have the vision or all those superlatives everyone showered on Bush, but he's two very important things... a tough runner and probably the fastest back in college (and maybe professional) football. I think his track times support that statement (10.13 hundred, even better in the hurdles). Everybody talks about Colt McCoy and this and that... but UT will live and die with Charles... if he stays healthy they will lose 1 game max.

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