Richard Justice on yesterdays game - Houston Texans Message Board & Forum

nunusguy · 11-07-2005

"One of the more remarkable parts of this season is that the Texans haven't quit."
http://www.chron.com/cs/CDA/ssistory.mpl/sports/3443149
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Article by the Chronicle writer who suggests that the Texans' production has
met its potential - yesterdays effort was about as good as it gets for the team and if, for example, Bradford couldn't make the play at the end of the game, its not for lack of effort.
If Justice's premise is true, then besides blaming the coaches for not assembling and manageing talent, should we maybe give them some credit for motivating the existing talent to play to the full level of its potential ?
I dunno....as my memory fades away as the decades pass, I still seem to recall that it wasn't the HC that motivated me and my teammates to get up for a game as much as the assistant coachs. Whatever we might think about Capers, maybe the Texans have a pretty good group of assistant coaches ?

Marcus · 11-07-2005

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Even as the Texans said the usual stuff about being disappointed and continuing to fight and improve, they surely know otherwise. Until they get better players, they won't play better than they did in Sunday's 21-14 loss to Jacksonville.

Maybe it's the coaches who'll get blown out after the season, but this defeat wasn't about coaching. It was about not having enough talent.

Now that has got to be one bitter tasting pill to swallow for those of you card carrying members of the "we have plenty of talent, but the coaches aren't using it right" club.

Sacrilege! Treason! Burn him at the stake!

MorKnolle · 11-07-2005

I think Capers is/has been a good coach, but for whatever reason the players don't seem motivated anymore. Personally, I think that motivation should come from the players themselves moreso than the coaches. If a player can't motivate himself to go and play balls out for three hours on Sunday to earn a couple million dollars a year then I don't know what else a coach can say. If they can't be man enough and have enough pride in themselves to go out and compete with everything they have then they don't deserve to be on the team. Granted the coaching system can contribute to that, but I think the players should not have to look to the head coach to get motivation to go out and play hard every week, and the effort in many of them has been questionable at best recently.

Grid · 11-07-2005

We do lack talent..and no one here will deny that.

Even the people who say "we have the talent, we just dont have the coaches".. acknowledge that we are lacking in talent.

Specifically, im talking about the Oline. No one with eyes to see would say that we have enough talent on the Oline... and that lack of talent and depth has been a big contributor to our downfall this season..and definatly to our loss to jacksonville this sunday.

We actually played better than jacksonville until we lost Hodgedon(sp?)..which is a bit surprising. But that is the point where I remember things turning for the worse. Our protection began to fall apart.. our offense wasnt able to move the ball anymore.

Fact of the matter is.. we HAVE the talent at WR.. we HAVE the talent at RB.. but we lack talent in a few crucial areas. Specifically.. Oline, TE, and LB. Id say that we could use another quality CB as well.

What im trying to say is.. we have alot of talent.. but we are missing a FEW key players at key positions. This is one offseason's work for a competent coaching staff. We could be a solid and competitive team next season if we had a better coaching staff right now.

That isnt gonna happen right now though...we have to wait till the end of the year..and then we have to hope that McNair will do a mass culling..and not just fire a couple guys. We need a fresh start, and we need someone who can find and sign the talent we need to fill those key positions.

Bullfan · 11-07-2005

Don't believe everything that you read or hear in the press. They don't always know what they are talking about. There IS talent on this team, it has been evident in many games before this year. Our coaches may have talent too, but, they have lost this team and it's time for the coaches to move on and let a new set of coaches see what they can do this team.

MorKnolle · 11-07-2005

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Originally Posted by Grid

We do lack talent..and no one here will deny that.

Fact of the matter is.. we HAVE the talent at WR.. we HAVE the talent at RB.. but we lack talent in a few crucial areas. Specifically.. Oline, TE, and LB. Id say that we could use another quality CB as well.

What im trying to say is.. we have alot of talent.. but we are missing a FEW key players at key positions. This is one offseason's work for a competent coaching staff. We could be a solid and competitive team next season if we had a better coaching staff right now.

I agree with you for the most part. I'm not sure our TE is necessarily a lack of talent or more how they are being used. Our staff decided to move towards the big, blocking TEs and that's all they've been used for. Breuner is one of the best in the league in blocking and Murphy seems like he is in the same mold and can probably catch a little better, and Rivers has been a little iffy in the few chances he's been given, but I think he can be a decent receiving TE with more experience/opportunities. I do agree that we need a couple upgrades at OL, a better pass-rushing LB (if we stay in a 3-4 otherwise get a 4-3 DE or two), and then another athletic CB that can cover people. Buchanon is fast but has been iffy on tackling (moreso earlier in the year) and plays too far off people, and Faggins isn't fast but stays with people reasonably well.

**mexican_texan** · 11-07-2005

Buchanon sucks because Hoke isn't using him to his strengths (passing out Hurricane-ade...er...Gatorade and towels), DD is the only one being played enough, but we need a 2 or 3 back system like capers said he wanted last year. AJ should run more routes that use his speed and size and audibles should not be the same for the whole game, or like Palmer's audibles, all tenure.

**Double Barrel** · 11-07-2005

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Originally Posted by Grid

We do lack talent..and no one here will deny that.

Even the people who say "we have the talent, we just dont have the coaches".. acknowledge that we are lacking in talent.

Specifically, im talking about the Oline. No one with eyes to see would say that we have enough talent on the Oline... and that lack of talent and depth has been a big contributor to our downfall this season..and definatly to our loss to jacksonville this sunday.

We actually played better than jacksonville until we lost Hodgedon(sp?)..which is a bit surprising. But that is the point where I remember things turning for the worse. Our protection began to fall apart.. our offense wasnt able to move the ball anymore.

Fact of the matter is.. we HAVE the talent at WR.. we HAVE the talent at RB.. but we lack talent in a few crucial areas. Specifically.. Oline, TE, and LB. Id say that we could use another quality CB as well.

What im trying to say is.. we have alot of talent.. but we are missing a FEW key players at key positions. This is one offseason's work for a competent coaching staff. We could be a solid and competitive team next season if we had a better coaching staff right now.

That isnt gonna happen right now though...we have to wait till the end of the year..and then we have to hope that McNair will do a mass culling..and not just fire a couple guys. We need a fresh start, and we need someone who can find and sign the talent we need to fill those key positions.

What he said.

The coaches helped pick the players, right?

Pick your poison: 'coaches don't inspire good players' - or - 'coaches picked bad players to begin with'. Either way, you're still swallowing a dose of 1-7 no matter what your perspective is.

**beerlover** · 11-07-2005

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Originally Posted by Grid

but we lack talent in a few crucial areas. Specifically.. Oline, TE, and LB. Id say that we could use another quality CB as well.

also add both Safety positions. CC Brown has done an outstanding job given where & how far he has come, but lets face it he would be a back-up SS on most teams with good physical defenses. Coleman is like a mirror image of Buchanon that does not bode well for run support or big hits over the middle.

MorKnolle · 11-07-2005

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Originally Posted by beerlover

also add both Safety positions. CC Brown has done an outstanding job given where & how far he has come, but lets face it he would be a back-up SS on most teams with good physical defenses. Coleman is like a mirror image of Buchanon that does not bode well for run support or big hits over the middle.

I think C.C. Brown would be a decent FS and is playing out of position at SS. He should be a backup for most teams, he is a rookie and was a 6th round draft choice, so give him some time and put him at his better position.

mean mark8 · 11-07-2005

I don't care who you want to blame. We have the 3rd highest payroll in the league. So if we don't have the talent how are we going to get it? Is this a Casserly screw-up or a Capers screw-up? It is totally bogus to say that this staff is getting the most out of a bunch of "over-achievers." We are 1-7 with the 3rd highest payroll in the entire league. Doesn't look like anyone is motivated or playing well to me.

**Vinny** · 11-07-2005

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Originally Posted by mean mark8

I don't care who you want to blame. We have the 3rd highest payroll in the league. So if we don't have the talent how are we going to get it? Is this a Casserly screw-up or a Capers screw-up? It is totally bogus to say that this staff is getting the most out of a bunch of "over-achievers." We are 1-7 with the 3rd highest payroll in the entire league. Doesn't look like anyone is motivated or playing well to me.

I agree with you about Casserly and want him to see the door too but much of that has to do with the fact that we have to overpay FA's to come here in our early years. Players don't come to expansion teams for the playoff games.

11-07-2005

Which is why I want Casserly out. If we were supposed to build through the draft then we shouldnt have wasted all those picks. I like Babin a lot, but not enough to give up those draft picks. Buchanons picks were mind boggling. We could have built up through the drafts and not trade down, traded up or traded away picks. We should have done our homework and picked players that would play for us and would not be playing 1st round salaries for them. Everyone want us to get a Young or a Bush this year but I'm telling you people, we can not keep paying top 10 salaries each year to one player. Somewhere down the road it eats us up in getting FA talent.

nunusguy · 11-07-2005

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Originally Posted by SESupergenius

Buchanons picks were mind boggling. We could have built up through the drafts and not trade down, traded up or traded away picks. We should have done our homework and picked players that would play for us and would not be playing 1st round salaries for them.

Its really maddening with the inconsistancy of how they invest these very valuable Draft picks. We wisely manage our resources and get this Hodgdon kid out of Arizona State with a mere 5th round pick who will of course require a modest cap charge and salary expenditure, then like a spendthrift
we squander this years 2 & 3 on Buchanan.

Marcus · 11-07-2005

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Originally Posted by Grid

Fact of the matter is.. we HAVE the talent at WR.. we HAVE the talent at RB.. but we lack talent in a few crucial areas. Specifically.. Oline, TE, and LB. Id say that we could use another quality CB as well.

What im trying to say is.. we have alot of talent.. but we are missing a FEW key players at key positions. This is one offseason's work for a competent coaching staff. We could be a solid and competitive team next season if we had a better coaching staff right now.

Completely unrealistic!

Addressing 3, maybe 4 areas where talent is lacking, is going to take more than one offseason to address. It won't make a bit of difference what new coaching staff is brought in.

That's the thing that aggravates me to no end with some of you. On one hand, you admit the team lacks talent in many key areas. But on the other hand, you actually 'expect' all those areas to be magically corrected in one fell swoop, and if those unrealistic expectations are not met . . .

. . . then it's "Fire Everyone" all over again.

I feel sorry for the next coaching staff they bring in here. They're ****ed right from the start.

**Lucky** · 11-07-2005

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Originally Posted by nunusguy

If Justice's premise is true, then besides blaming the coaches for not assembling and manageing talent, should we maybe give them some credit for motivating the existing talent to play to the full level of its potential ?

I don't want to bash the coaches here, but it was Seth Payne calling out his teammates (behind closed doors) that turned the effort around. Credit where credit is due.

**Vinny** · 11-07-2005

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Originally Posted by Lucky

I don't want to bash the coaches here, but it was Seth Payne calling out his teammates (behind closed doors) that turned the effort around. Credit where credit is due.

I donno...I think it has more to do with Babin and Walker coming back.

angeltexus · 11-07-2005

G-funk yeah, but come on Babin. When have you guys seen Babin making a crucial play. Hes like a bad song that gets no air time on TV. I would really love for him to be signed by the Cardinal because thats the only team he could start for..

powda · 11-07-2005

babin played with a lot of intensity when he was in yesterday. having not been on the field seems to have remotivated him.

tex · 11-07-2005

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Originally Posted by Marcus

That's the thing that aggravates me to no end with some of you. On one hand, you admit the team lacks talent in many key areas. But on the other hand, you actually 'expect' all those areas to be magically corrected in one fell swoop, and if those unrealistic expectations are not met . . .

. . . then it's "Fire Everyone" all over again.

You hit the nail on the head on this one.It takes a long time to build a team from the ground up.

11-07-2005	#1
nunusguy Hall of Fame Join Date: Jun 2004 Location: Houston Posts: 8,991 Rep Power: 183	Richard Justice on yesterdays game "One of the more remarkable parts of this season is that the Texans haven't quit." http://www.chron.com/cs/CDA/ssistory.mpl/sports/3443149 ******************************************** Article by the Chronicle writer who suggests that the Texans' production has met its potential - yesterdays effort was about as good as it gets for the team and if, for example, Bradford couldn't make the play at the end of the game, its not for lack of effort. If Justice's premise is true, then besides blaming the coaches for not assembling and manageing talent, should we maybe give them some credit for motivating the existing talent to play to the full level of its potential ? I dunno....as my memory fades away as the decades pass, I still seem to recall that it wasn't the HC that motivated me and my teammates to get up for a game as much as the assistant coachs. Whatever we might think about Capers, maybe the Texans have a pretty good group of assistant coaches ?

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powda Hall of Fame Join Date: Jun 2004 Posts: 2,198 Rep Power: 24382	babin played with a lot of intensity when he was in yesterday. having not been on the field seems to have remotivated him. __________________ Stupid doesn't discriminate.

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11-07-2005	#3
MorKnolle Hall of Fame Join Date: Apr 2005 Posts: 3,210 Rep Power: 0	I think Capers is/has been a good coach, but for whatever reason the players don't seem motivated anymore. Personally, I think that motivation should come from the players themselves moreso than the coaches. If a player can't motivate himself to go and play balls out for three hours on Sunday to earn a couple million dollars a year then I don't know what else a coach can say. If they can't be man enough and have enough pride in themselves to go out and compete with everything they have then they don't deserve to be on the team. Granted the coaching system can contribute to that, but I think the players should not have to look to the head coach to get motivation to go out and play hard every week, and the effort in many of them has been questionable at best recently.

11-07-2005	#4
Grid Hall of Fame Join Date: Apr 2004 Posts: 4,299 Rep Power: 2271	We do lack talent..and no one here will deny that. Even the people who say "we have the talent, we just dont have the coaches".. acknowledge that we are lacking in talent. Specifically, im talking about the Oline. No one with eyes to see would say that we have enough talent on the Oline... and that lack of talent and depth has been a big contributor to our downfall this season..and definatly to our loss to jacksonville this sunday. We actually played better than jacksonville until we lost Hodgedon(sp?)..which is a bit surprising. But that is the point where I remember things turning for the worse. Our protection began to fall apart.. our offense wasnt able to move the ball anymore. Fact of the matter is.. we HAVE the talent at WR.. we HAVE the talent at RB.. but we lack talent in a few crucial areas. Specifically.. Oline, TE, and LB. Id say that we could use another quality CB as well. What im trying to say is.. we have alot of talent.. but we are missing a FEW key players at key positions. This is one offseason's work for a competent coaching staff. We could be a solid and competitive team next season if we had a better coaching staff right now. That isnt gonna happen right now though...we have to wait till the end of the year..and then we have to hope that McNair will do a mass culling..and not just fire a couple guys. We need a fresh start, and we need someone who can find and sign the talent we need to fill those key positions.

11-07-2005	#5
Bullfan Rookie Join Date: Nov 2005 Posts: 28 Rep Power: 0	Don't believe everything that you read or hear in the press. They don't always know what they are talking about. There IS talent on this team, it has been evident in many games before this year. Our coaches may have talent too, but, they have lost this team and it's time for the coaches to move on and let a new set of coaches see what they can do this team.

11-07-2005	#11
mean mark8 Veteran Join Date: Mar 2005 Age: 47 Posts: 220 Rep Power: 9	I don't care who you want to blame. We have the 3rd highest payroll in the league. So if we don't have the talent how are we going to get it? Is this a Casserly screw-up or a Capers screw-up? It is totally bogus to say that this staff is getting the most out of a bunch of "over-achievers." We are 1-7 with the 3rd highest payroll in the entire league. Doesn't look like anyone is motivated or playing well to me.

11-07-2005	#13
SESupergenius Guest Posts: n/a	Which is why I want Casserly out. If we were supposed to build through the draft then we shouldnt have wasted all those picks. I like Babin a lot, but not enough to give up those draft picks. Buchanons picks were mind boggling. We could have built up through the drafts and not trade down, traded up or traded away picks. We should have done our homework and picked players that would play for us and would not be playing 1st round salaries for them. Everyone want us to get a Young or a Bush this year but I'm telling you people, we can not keep paying top 10 salaries each year to one player. Somewhere down the road it eats us up in getting FA talent.

11-07-2005	#18
angeltexus Rookie Join Date: Aug 2005 Location: atx Age: 40 Posts: 45 Rep Power: 0	G-funk yeah, but come on Babin. When have you guys seen Babin making a crucial play. Hes like a bad song that gets no air time on TV. I would really love for him to be signed by the Cardinal because thats the only team he could start for..

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