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Old 11-06-2005   #21
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We are 1-7.......this is year 4........good leaders (like Carr is claimed to be by so many) find a way to get the W in situations just like ours........that last drop by Bradford was horrible and not Carr's "fault" as it was a nice pass.......but Carr made many more mistakes (YET AGAIN) throughout the game that easily outweigh the positives he might have shown glimpses of.
Took the words out of my mouth.

Can't blame Carr for the last play. But he stills seems to refuse to throw the ball away when he is outside the pocket. I appreciate him trying to make a play, but how many sacks does he have to take hanging onto the ball to realize that throwing it away is not a bad play.
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How do we make these "ludicrous accusations?"

We are 1-7.......this is year 4........good leaders (like Carr is claimed to be by so many) find a way to get the W in situations just like ours........that last drop by Bradford was horrible and not Carr's "fault" as it was a nice pass.......but Carr made many more mistakes (YET AGAIN) throughout the game that easily outweigh the positives he might have shown glimpses of.

And you are gonna defend him by saying he made one good pass at the end of the game.....and to the most inconsistent receiver we've had since day 1?
Yes I will. I will defend him because he made a good decision. This is the NFL. You cant have flawless games. He made mistakes. But he found a way to help his team win, but Badford found a way for them to lose.
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How do we make these "ludicrous accusations?"

We are 1-7.......this is year 4........good leaders (like Carr is claimed to be by so many) find a way to get the W in situations just like ours........that last drop by Bradford was horrible and not Carr's "fault" as it was a nice pass.......but Carr made many more mistakes (YET AGAIN) throughout the game that easily outweigh the positives he might have shown glimpses of.

And you are gonna defend him by saying he made one good pass at the end of the game.....and to the most inconsistent receiver we've had since day 1?
I guess that putting a perfect deep pass right on the numbers in the 4th quarter on 4th and long does not count as leadership? All the qb can do is throw the ball, he cant control whether the wr breaks 4 tackles and scores or drops a catchable pass in clutch time... :brickwall :brickwall
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Took the words out of my mouth.

Can't blame Carr for the last play. But he stills seems to refuse to throw the ball away when he is outside the pocket. I appreciate him trying to make a play, but how many sacks does he have to take hanging onto the ball to realize that throwing it away is not a bad play.
Just as long as it will take for us to get an o-line that doesnt force him to throw it away so often.
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We are 1-7.......this is year 4........

Exactly! Who did what poorly or who made what mistakes is a discussion we shouldn't even be having at this point in the franchise. After 4 years, I don't even like to say anyone played better than they did 5 weeks ago - that shouldn't even matter. Unfortunately, as we seem to be going backwards to pre-first year abilities - mistakes and blame is what we have left. The bottom line is that we shouldn't have lost this game period. It shouldn't have come down to one make or break play. There is enough blame to go around - we don't have to focus on Carr especially since it appears that Carr is going to be with us next year no matter what. Let us just hope that a new coaching staff will make Carr better - forget better - NFL caliber would be nice.
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he also lead the charge downfield, was perfect throwing the ball in the 3rd quarter and put the team in a position to comeback in the 4th quarter, not much he can do about bradford dropping one. By the way, if bradford is so innconsitent and untrustworthy, why is he out there on 4th down? This is a coaching problem, not a quarterback problem.
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he also lead the charge downfield, was perfect throwing the ball in the 3rd quarter and put the team in a position to comeback in the 4th quarter, not much he can do about bradford dropping one. By the way, if bradford is so innconsitent and untrustworthy, why is he out there on 4th down? This is a coaching problem, not a quarterback problem.
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he also lead the charge downfield, was perfect throwing the ball in the 3rd quarter and put the team in a position to comeback in the 4th quarter, not much he can do about bradford dropping one. By the way, if bradford is so innconsitent and untrustworthy, why is he out there on 4th down? This is a coaching problem, not a quarterback problem.
He led his team to another loss. He has led his team to 4 wins in the last 16 games. That's really the bottom line.
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Just as long as it will take for us to get an o-line that doesnt force him to throw it away so often.
We had 6 sacks today. How many do you blame on the O-line (3). And most of those I would put on the Coaches for putting Wand at LT after Hodgeson injury instead of LG and leaving Pitts where he has had some success lately. Wand has already proven last year and these preseason he can't handle the speed off the end, but he is big and strong enough to handle a DT on the inside.

1st sack goes to Morency pitful blitz pick up.

Other 2, go to Carr. And one of them he even saw the DB coming up. He could have just tossed it away, but he slide ONE yard behind the line, so it counts as a sack.
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We are 1-7.......this is year 4........

Exactly! Who did what poorly or who made what mistakes is a discussion we shouldn't even be having at this point in the franchise. After 4 years, I don't even like to say anyone played better than they did 5 weeks ago - that shouldn't even matter. Unfortunately, as we seem to be going backwards to pre-first year abilities - mistakes and blame is what we have left. The bottom line is that we shouldn't have lost this game period. It shouldn't have come down to one make or break play. There is enough blame to go around - we don't have to focus on Carr especially since it appears that Carr is going to be with us next year no matter what. Let us just hope that a new coaching staff will make Carr better - forget better - NFL caliber would be nice.
Good points, couldn't have said it better myself.
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You guys keep saying that we are doing so much worse than last year.............But if I remember right didn't CC say this past week that maybe we overachieved last year. So we just need to be thankful for last year and go on thinking that this is the team on the rise. Hey CC hwo does this feel....... Don't think your getting my season ticket money next year!
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he also lead the charge downfield, was perfect throwing the ball in the 3rd quarter and put the team in a position to comeback in the 4th quarter, not much he can do about bradford dropping one. By the way, if bradford is so innconsitent and untrustworthy, why is he out there on 4th down? This is a coaching problem, not a quarterback problem.
On there being a coaching problem I certainly agree, and that I am confident will be attenuated over the off-season. Carr is here to stay so I'll give him the benefit of the doubt that a new staff may get him on track.

However, from the progress he has shown over his career here (and what I mean is that ALL you apologists who weren't here years 1 and 2 sound just like those who "had his back" then), the new regime will eventually find someone else to lead this team.........they just need to find someone with leadership ability, and not just someone who grins on the sidelines at home when we look bad.
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Bottom line, Bradford needs to make that play. Right in his #@%*@*^ hands!
Carr takes, IMO, way too many sacks when he is OUTSIDE the tackle box and can just throw it away. Other than that, he had a good game, not a franschise QB type game-which when your drafted #1 your supposed to be.
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if you got a wr on the field that you cant pass to in some situations. then its the coaches fault. carr doesnt have time not to throw to an open reciever. as soon as he sees someone open he has to throw it.
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Post catch the damn ball!

Bradford cannot make a catch to save his life! Double coverage had nothing to do with the drop! The ball was coming out before he was even touched! Everybody, including it looked like the offensive coordinator, saying that Carr should have thrown to Johnson instead is ridiculous. Why get 10 yards when you can get 30?!?! Bradford is supposed to be a professional receiver, so just catch the damn ball! It was not a difficult catch except for the circumstances to make! Everybody complains that the Texans don't take enough chances downfield and when Carr finally does and makes another perfect throw and hits bradford in the hands again he gets criticized for it!
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He led his team to another loss. He has led his team to 4 wins in the last 16 games. That's really the bottom line.
brett farve must be just as sorry.
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One other thing that irritates the heck out of me! Why is it that when Carr yells at teammates and spikes the ball he is being immature but when Peyton Manning does the EXACT samething he is called competitive?!?!
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Wow I can't believe these folks. Carr lays it right in Bradfords hands for a huge gain in yardage and still it's Carrs fault. He throws for over 200 yards against a tough Jag defense, doesn't throw an INT and the game is his fault.

No one is going to take you seriously if you keep this Carr bashing, you are now just on your own biased agenda without any regard to facts.

I noticed that a long time ago.
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Bradford had a decent game going until the end, he was actually playing like he wanted a contract next year, but then the law of averages kicked in and he dropped that last one. Carr took a couple sacks he should have thrown away today but otherwise I think he had a good day.

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Carr made the same stupid mistakes he has since he was a rookie. Runs into sacks, fumbles, misses open receivers. etc. Barely over 200 yards and 1 TD is a below-average performance by NFL standards. By Carr apologist standards it's a career day.
I agree that Carr took a couple sacks today and fumbled too much, although a couple of those were the OLine's fault for giving him no protection. I don't know how many open receivers he missed. As for the 200 yards being below-average, 200 yards a game over the course of the season = 3200 yards for the season, which only 14 QBs had last year, including DC, so I wouldn't say 200 yards per game is "below average", although I certainly would like to see more out of them. I put much of the blame on the passing game on the OC. While I think Pendry is doing much better than Palmer, they still are not putting Carr in a position where he can put up stellar passing numbers. On a positive note, it was good to see Andre out there today and see them throw to him for something other than a 1 yard hitch route like they kept doing in the first two games with Palmer. Let's hope with Mathis and Davis returning next week that the offense will continue to look better and get something positive out of the end of the year.

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He led his team to another loss. He has led his team to 4 wins in the last 16 games. That's really the bottom line.

If you are not new to the game of football, why haven't you noticed that football is a team sport and David isn't alone out there with a tennis racket?
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