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Old 11-03-2005   #1
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Thumbs up We Have Good Players and Coaches, Time For a Win Streak

Our Houston Texans have various young, talented players on our team roster.

David Carr has potentail at the QB position, with a few more blocks from the offensive line, and a healthy Andre Johson.

Domanick Davis is a very good player. He may not be the best halfback in the leauge in terms of big yardage plays, but he gets our offense solid gains like 3-5 yards per play, which is all we really need for him to do.

Andre Johnson could also develop into something very positive. His determination, strength and speed are all positive attributes, and I feel he fits into our offense very well. He just needs to stay healthy. Also Andre is not big what so ever on trash-talking, thats a positive for sure.

On defense, we have a very good young talent in Dunta Robinson. He is beging to accept the role of a leader. He is always very anxious to make plays, as the effort with him is always there. He's also quick, he studies hard off the field, which will soon pay some dividends.

And finally, Robarie Smith. He is starting to step-up at last. He's creating turnovers, getting more pressure on the opposing QB, and right now I feel his confidence is really looknig up. He just needs to be a little more consistent, and he could be a really, really good player.

We have much more talent on both sides of the ball, and on special teams definetly (Kris Brown and Jerome Mathis), and I strongly feel this will begin to produce positives more and more in the future.

Lastly, I feel we have Dom Capers working for us. Now, you may disagree, as your frustrated with how this season is going thus far. However, his a true mark of man and a good coach. He contains a consistent and steady approach in terms of what we must do to turn things around. Head coaches always take heat when things go bad, and then their the hero when things are going good. He knows his football, has expeirence with struggling young teams, and knows how to turn thing around. I say we keep Capers- give him a chance to proove himself.

Most importantly, to all you fans: Stay a strong Houston Texans fan, espically through the bad times. By doing this, the good times will feel much better. Support our, and we can get this turned around, by building off the win vs. Cleveland. We have a tough divsion game upcoming Sunday vs. Jacksonville, a chance for a true win streak. Stay supportive, have faith, and stay true.

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Old 11-03-2005   #2
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Appreciate the optimism.

I do belive we had the ability to go 8-8 at the beginning of the season. I really do feel we have the talent. The issue has been injuries and impatience. It is diffidcult to execute when you are dealing with injuries and you have an impatient fan base. We will not be able to give an accurate assesment of the season as a team, unit, coach or player until it is finished.

But to digress, we need to beat the Jags and all fans should be able to agree on that.
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I'll always support the Texans, both through my annual season ticket purchases and displays of various merchandise (ie. shirts, hats, etc.). I'll be at every home game (maybe even a road game next year in Dallas), and tailgate accordingly. Texans fan for life.

However, that being said, I refuse to close my eyes and delude myself with certain hopes and desires, as I understand the reality of our situation. We are regressing. The potential we saw for the first three seasons has been erased with bad personel decisions and even worse game performances.

While I certainly respect your opinion and the right to have it, I do wonder where your evidence is to support the premise that Coach Capers knows how to turn things around. His history does not seem to support this position, IMO.

Is the talent there? Perhaps, it's up for debate. It does exist at certain positions, and others might be a matter of opinion.

But does the current coaching staff have what it takes to lead this team to a winning season, much less multiple winning seasons? NO.
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So far we've only had 1 significant Injury (count 2 if you include Joppru) and that is Wong. It's pretty rare for a team to be this healthy and be this bad.
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I'll always support the Texans, both through my annual season ticket purchases and displays of various merchandise (ie. shirts, hats, etc.). I'll be at every home game (maybe even a road game next year in Dallas), and tailgate accordingly. Texans fan for life.

However, that being said, I refuse to close my eyes and delude myself with certain hopes and desires, as I understand the reality of our situation. We are regressing. The potential we saw for the first three seasons has been erased with bad personel decisions and even worse game performances.

While I certainly respect your opinion and the right to have it, I do wonder where your evidence is to support the premise that Coach Capers knows how to turn things around. His history does not seem to support this position, IMO.

Is the talent there? Perhaps, it's up for debate. It does exist at certain positions, and others might be a matter of opinion.

But does the current coaching staff have what it takes to lead this team to a winning season, much less multiple winning seasons? NO.

Unfortunately, I have to agree with you Double Barrel. I was right with him, right up to the part about Capers. I too appreciate the optimistic outlook, heck every Sunday just before game time when I am throwing on my #80 Jersey I still get anxious, nervous and optimistic all at the same time...until reality sets in. And I am just being realistic when I say I think Capers strong areas are at working with expansion teams and building them for the future...but we should be past that now, and coaching up our players, and for God's sake drafting for our O-Line, or at least making quality acquisition in FA. I think Caper's did an decent job at getting us started, but we are ready for the next phase, maybe Kubiak is the answer? The Texan's will get there, they will be a force at some point in the future. Just how long? I will be a diehard fan win or loose, good times and bad. Let's us not loose from Lack of Effort, fight for every yard on every play.
I think we have a shot a beating JAX, I am also ready for a Win streak!!! And I hope it is not short-lived.

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This thread sounds like one of those "optimism" threads we used to have before the season began this year. Hopefully they are able to turn it around but it's not very likely.
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Lastly, I feel we have Dom Capers working for us. However, his a true mark of man and a good coach. He knows his football, has expeirence with struggling young teams, and knows how to turn thing around.
What coach are we talking about again?

We definitely have some potential in our "youth movement", but I just can't buy the coaching part.

Capers has shown no capability of 'turning things around'.

Everyone seems to think that his ONE (1) winning season in Carolina means that he's got the solution to our problems. Let's analyze that for a moment. When Carolina & Jacksonville came into the NFL, they were given more talent to build from initially (existing teams couldn't protect as many players) and, in Carolina's case, were in the playoffs by year two. In fact, they were so successful so soon that the NFL changed the rules on how Expansion teams would be able to draft in the future. Cleveland got it slightly worse than we did (they made some cosmetic changes to the process for the Texans) and it takes longer to build a franchise now. The NFL ideal was for Expansion teams to be at / around .500 by year three and competing for playoff slots after that.

Our defense is nowhere as capable as they were in year ONE, much less have they steadily improved. Our Offense is one step under dismal.

The mark of a good coach is adapting HIS system to the personnel in place. Look no further than Parcells in Dallas for an example. Capers seems much too busy trying to force in players who are ill-suited to his system.

You really want to know how good Capers is as a HC? Watch how many teams bring him in to interview for their HC vacancies after we fire him.
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I am a Texan fan for sure but I can't support Capers. The only thing he has proven is that I along with many others were right. He stinks as a head coach. His record proves it and his players performances prove it. He is a terrible evaluator of talent. He is an even worse motivator and probably has a severe case of ocd as someone else on here pointed out. Things have to go exactly as planned for Capers because he can't bring himself to deviate from his gameplan. He has totally ignored the OL problem for 4 years. He can't design plays that play to his players strengths. Capers and/or Casserly together have traded away preciously needed draft picks for questionable players. Casserly has signed mediocre players to big time contracts and may have done it with alot of input from Capers. Alot of things have been done wrong building this franchise and it is coming to fruition this year. It is time to cut the entire coaching staff and start fresh. Casserly should be out the door with Capers but I doubt it will happen.
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So far we've only had 1 significant Injury (count 2 if you include Joppru) and that is Wong. It's pretty rare for a team to be this healthy and be this bad.
Are you taking about season ending injuries or games missed by starters due to injury?
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So far we've only had 1 significant Injury (count 2 if you include Joppru) and that is Wong. It's pretty rare for a team to be this healthy and be this bad.

I don't know if I agree. Gary Walker & Andre Johnson have been sorely missed IMO.

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I missed Johnson somehow....but not really. He didn't do a thing up until his injury anyways. He'll be back however, Wong and Joppru will not.
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Are you taking about season ending injuries or games missed by starters due to injury?
Our injuries have been no more significant than most teams. Even healthy, the team did not perform up to even reasonable expectations.

On your note about impatient fans, if anything the fans in Houston are the opposite too patient and too forgiving. While both very professional in their approaches, neither Capers or Casserly have an extended record of success with or previous to the Texans. Football is a production business, and the organization as constructed is not producing.
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Our injuries have been no more significant than most teams. Even healthy, the team did not perform up to even reasonable expectations.

On your note about impatient fans, if anything the fans in Houston are the opposite too patient and too forgiving. While both very professional in their approaches, neither Capers or Casserly have an extended record of success with or previous to the Texans. Football is a production business, and the organization as constructed is not producing.
My injury question was for clarification with the other poster.

Moreover, I am not calling out Houston fans, as being impatient, as I was speaking in a collective manner. Although I do not see why Houston fans being impatient/concerned is a bad thing given how the first 55 games have unfolded.
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...making excuses for poor team play because of injuries? You're kidding, right? FYI, every single NFL team has injuries!! The only difference is that some teams expect their players to step up when players are hurt and other teams well...but,please, the Texans have enough problems w/o making excuses for them..

...and,finally, for the original poster that thinks Capers is going to turn this team around--- how's he going to do it and is he going to start sooner or later--GMAB!!!!:brickwall
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Thanks for the Post... it isn't in Vogue too support the Texans here. This MB has turned in a bigger looser that the Teams record is. When I resonded to a post that flamed Caper's & ETC. A pink soap who claims that the next 10 games are doom because of the staff, deleted my post. Hey I'm ashame to call this cry-baby, fire everyone posting junk a Texan Message Board. One last thing, the way some have cheapened our win over the Browns is a slap in the face to our team who fought hard for it.
If you make personal attacks we don't just edit your post...we delete the whole thing. I can keep a record that way. If we just edited your posts I would have no records to fall back on.
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Thanks for the Post... it isn't in Vogue too support the Texans here. This MB has turned in a bigger looser that the Teams record is. When I resonded to a post that flamed Caper's & ETC. A pink soap who claims that the next 10 games are doom because of the staff, deleted my post. Hey I'm ashame to call this cry-baby, fire everyone posting junk a Texan Message Board. One last thing, the way some have cheapened our win over the Browns is a slap in the face to our team who fought hard for it.

It's completely in vogue to support the Texans. It is also a message board, where the team's strengths and shortcomings will be discussed. There have been very rational explanations as to why the "pink soap" club is in favor of Capers' dismissal, yet I've seen no rationale to the contrary from you. Upon checking your post history, I see plenty of snide remarks and veiled sarcasm toward posters that favor Capers' dismissal.

I am hopeful that the Texans can somehow turn this season around, but honestly I'm not too optimistic. The fact is, they're not playing sound football these days. You can support your team and still have a grip on reality enough to recognize this fact. Since I do support the team, and I do want them to improve, I enjoy discussing the factors that may make this a better team in the future.
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Ya all haven't done anything, but gripe & cry. From C.C. to the beerman.. it's take a shot at them!

I am want to let it be know that if anyone messes with the Beerman in sec 127 I am going to kick their ##$s.

This whole season whenever anything was going wrong the Beerman has always been there. When Big Ben threw across the field 50 yds downfield and no one thought to cover the reciever or break on the ball --- The Beerman was there to make it all better.

Beerman for MVP.
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Caddy,
I have to say that each of your posts are loaded with a great deal of negativity, yet you seem to be against that sort of thing. Perhaps I'm just confused. Anyway, it's clear that you don't blame the coaching staff, and that is your entitled opinion. Perhaps you'd care to share your opinion on why this same group of players performed so much better last season? Or why certain players leave here, only to perform better elsewhere? Or why other teams can draft linemen in the middle rounds of the draft and turn them into a cohesive unit that blocks sufficiently?

If you choose to support the team with no complaints when they perform poorly, that is your prerogative. Perhaps you'd be better off not visiting a forum where such things are discussed, however.

Cheers to you and the Texans
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"I will look forward to next week for the improvement that is comming. While you all can yell fire them and cry we suck.. But don't try to sell me your pink soap.. "

OK, we're all waiting!! How is this improvement going to materialize? Who is going to make it happen? And, when will the process start?

You are a victim of your own ranting. While others make statements and attempt to back them up with stats and a little logic, you offer nothing but comical idioms that have nothing to do with a viable thought process.

If you want credibility on this board, IMO you've got to add a 'little meat and potatoes', you know--substance--to your post.
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