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Old 11-02-2005   #1
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1)LT D'Brickashaw Ferguson, Virginia - The best LT prospect to come along in years
2)LB Bobby Carpenter, Ohio St. - The playmaking LB that the Texans have been dreaming about
3)TE Tim Day, Oregon - A TE who can catch and block, who will become Carr's best friend
3)LB Freddie Roach, Alabama - A hard hitting LB who will provide great depth
4)OG Will Allen, Texas - An eventual replacement for Weigert
5)FS Greg Threat, Miami - A good athlete, who can make plays
6)DE Kyle Williams, LSU - Has a good motor and doesn't take plays off
7)RT Taitusi Lutui, USC - A huge tackle(6'6" 370lbs) who move the pile in the running game
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1)LT D'Brickashaw Ferguson, Virginia - He is a top five pick a better pass blocker but not as good of run blocker as Gallery when he came out. The strength of each is will be demonstrated over time as Gallery will become a dominant run blocking RT and D'Brickshaw a dominant pass blocking LT.

with that in mind I'd like to change your 2nd pick (not that its a bad one)

2)RT Winston Justice, USC JR. or RT Justin Blalock, Texas JR.- if they both come out take your pick, I really dont have a preference at this point both would be excellent compliment to D'Brick on the left side, move Wade & Pitts inside at the guard position along with the rookie Center Hodgdon the Texans line is revamped and in good shape for the next five years. think about it.

I've watched Day and he has been extremely dissapointing to say the least so no way I would spend a 3rd rd pick on him, but one of these two TE's I would go for-

3)TE Leonard Pope, Georgia JR. or Dominique Byrd, USC - Both have first round talent but will slip due to issues with injurys or lack of all around skill sets but for a 3rd rd pick either one would be a great help to this offense. Also I think that Bruener will retire after this season and you just cannot count on Bennie Joppru to contribute & if he does you cut Rivers.

our 3b pick will be a good one (from N.O.) here you have to take a look at the BEST PLAYER AVAILABLE. I'm not looking necessarily for depth here I'm looking instead for a steal.

3)WR Steve Smith, USC JR. I keep watching film of this guy and he just keeps making amazing plays, he reminds me of another Trojan Kerry Colbert drafted late 2nd rd. by the Carolina Panthers in 04. simply put a player, excellent route runner, blocker and possesion receiver. I have been impressed with Gaffney as of late & Mathis is emerging as a deep threat but Bradford is most likely gone & Armstrong should be producing more than he has for whatever the reason.

If the Texans select a pair of bookends for the line, they can compress the players they already have signed into the appropriate guard slots. This is where they need a run stopper/pass rusher at this point in the draft its gonna be someone from a small school like a Jerome Mathis, hey you gotta justify the scouting costs somehow.

4)DE Stephen Bowen, Hofstra - http://www.hofstra.edu/Athletics/ath...A4D921DAA84801

5th rd. don't gotta start looking QB? you know just in case. I really see no need to keep resigning Tony Banks and never playing him, heck you got NFL EURO MVP David Ragone riding the bench as well but the Texans will at least keep him to justify that 3rd rd. pick.

5)QB Eugene Bruce, Grambling. Big thick 6-1 260+ lbs can move around the pocket and is breaking Doug Williams records has thrown for over 600 yds in a game & seven TD's.

6)DE Kyle Williams, LSU - Has a good motor and doesn't take plays off
7)RT Taitusi Lutui, USC - A huge tackle(6'6" 370lbs) who move the pile in the running game

both sound good at his point, I'm out of beer.
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1)LT D'Brickashaw Ferguson, Virginia - He is a top five pick a better pass blocker but not as good of run blocker as Gallery when he came out. The strength of each is will be demonstrated over time as Gallery will become a dominant run blocking RT and D'Brickshaw a dominant pass blocking LT.
Where is this from beer--you or a draft site? I don't recall a single draftspert having any doubts Gallery was going to be a dominant LT. My memory may be bad, but RT wasn't even a hint in the air. Now he is going to be a success at RT?--and that is supposed to be good enough for his #2 spot. The past three years have not been good examples for forcing the top ranked LT onto the team. Gross is back to playing RT in his 3rd year. Gallery can't get off of RT behind a yeoman LT starter. Barron basically was drafted to play RT at least for 5 years. If someone really wants to throw an Eli Manning or Michael Vick type trade or anything remotely close at the Texans I would have to take it.
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I'd like to have Max Gilles somewhere in there
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I don't recall a single draftspert having any doubts Gallery was going to be a dominant LT. My memory may be bad, but RT wasn't even a hint in the air. Now he is going to be a success at RT?--and that is supposed to be good enough for his #2 spot. The past three years have not been good examples for forcing the top ranked LT onto the team. Gross is back to playing RT in his 3rd year. Gallery can't get off of RT behind a yeoman LT starter. Barron basically was drafted to play RT at least for 5 years. If someone really wants to throw an Eli Manning or Michael Vick type trade or anything remotely close at the Texans I would have to take it.
The hype about Gallery was thru the roof ! And apparently the market bought
into it as he went #2 overall last year in what most feel was a strong to very-strong draft. And the year before that Gross was something like #7 or #8
overall.
I know a lot of people here in Houston are still upset that we didn't take
backer DJ from Texas, but I now regret we didn't take Barron or Brown with
our top pick, especially with what we now know about the stage of developemnt of the OL (or maybe the lack thereof !). I don't know that a
mid teen first rounder is too much to pay for a RT, especially when these guys Brown and Barron are now starting for the Saints and Rams,
respectively ? And especially when other teams are investing top 10 picks in
RTs ! Pitts and Barron or Brown at tackle now and for the future - wouldn't sound too bad ?
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The only thing I had against Brown for RT was the Todd Wade contract. He really doesn't have another place on the line and $25 mil for a bench player is a huge cap hit. The real point I was making is I don't want to turn a mid-round talent into a #1 or #2 pick based on need and in the process miss on a #1 or #2 talent or the opportunity to trade down and take a mid-round talent with a mid-round pick and acquire more picks.
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Where is this from beer--you or a draft site? I don't recall a single draftspert having any doubts Gallery was going to be a dominant LT. My memory may be bad, but RT wasn't even a hint in the air. Now he is going to be a success at RT?--and that is supposed to be good enough for his #2 spot. The past three years have not been good examples for forcing the top ranked LT onto the team. Gross is back to playing RT in his 3rd year. Gallery can't get off of RT behind a yeoman LT starter. Barron basically was drafted to play RT at least for 5 years. If someone really wants to throw an Eli Manning or Michael Vick type trade or anything remotely close at the Texans I would have to take it.
beer draft site just my own observations after watching him both in College and now with the Raiders. should have seen it coming but at the same time I think he could easily displace Barry Simms now @ LT if needed but Barry could not displace Gallery @ RT. here is why Gallery excells at the RT position he loves to pancake guys, he likes to maul guys, he likes to hit & drive down the field, for a big, big guy he loves to run, he loves motion period. just becasue he was the best in the nation at one position does not mean he cannot also be dominant and the best at another. if he had played RT in College he would have been the #1 rated RT. At the same time I understand starting LT as a rookie is asking alot in the NFL, not many can pull it off, the Raiders had the option with Simms to take their time with Gallery and unleash his raw abilities as he learned the speed and skill of the NFL.

we have spent so much time discussing the merits of this player or that player & in the process begin to see that they all are different in someway or another, that each has his own style. after watching D'Brickashaw Ferguson play he is a pure, finesse LT, he demonstrates to me the attitude of a technician with unbelievable physical skills that fit the LT position. he is the type of tackle who can handle the speed rusher via his long reach, wide base and athletic laterial movement then absorb the power bull rush not allowing penetration into his body. he can also run block & get down the field but he prefeers to stay at home and finish his assignments.

D'Brickashaw Ferguson, est. top 5 pick 2006. 6'5" 295 lbs. (College weight) Virginia.

Pro comparison-

Walter Jones, 6th overall pick 1997. 6'5" 315 lbs. (Pro weight) Florida State. Seattle aquired Jones via Tampa Bay on draft day for the Seahawks’ 12th overall choice in the first round and a third-round choice obtained from the Atlanta Falcons.

just wanted to add that it cost Tampa 6 higher draft slots (#6 to #12) to get a 3rd round pick while the Texans needed just 3 latter slotted draft picks (#13 to #16). Tampa used the #12th pick on Warrick Dunn and the 3rd rd pick turned into G Frank Middleton.

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Just because Gallery is at the RT does not make him a bust.
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The only thing I had against Brown for RT was the Todd Wade contract. He really doesn't have another place on the line and $25 mil for a bench player is a huge cap hit. The real point I was making is I don't want to turn a mid-round talent into a #1 or #2 pick based on need and in the process miss on a #1 or #2 talent or the opportunity to trade down and take a mid-round talent with a mid-round pick and acquire more picks.
I hear ya, but Wade is not looking too good lately at RT and if he doesn't turn it around, he can't help us as a starter unless he can make it at one of the guards slots. Of course we didn't know that back in April, and we couldn't
expect the coaches to know that back in April because they just found out what thre rest of us have known since TC - Victor Riley is not LT material.
And on your point about the risk of shelling out a big premium for the Virginia
LT, I got a feeling unless it comes out that he's a serial murderer or something along those lines, somebody only a click or two behind us is gonna pay the price for him if we don't. That's assuming we end up drafting high enough anyway. Hey, you can only do so much analysis on these guys coming out of college, and after that its pretty much pay your money and
take your chances. It's just not an exact science.
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If the Texans select a pair of bookends for the line, they can compress the players they already have signed into the appropriate guard slots. This is where they need a run stopper/pass rusher at this point in the draft its gonna be someone from a small school like a Jerome Mathis, hey you gotta justify the scouting costs somehow.

4)DE Stephen Bowen, Hofstra - http://www.hofstra.edu/Athletics/ath...A4D921DAA84801
Guy sounds okay. Where did you here about him?
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Iwouldn't say that Barron is playing all that well. I mean on sunday he had three consecutive penalties and intercepted his own QB, all in the same drive.
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Iwouldn't say that Barron is playing all that well. I mean on sunday he had three consecutive penalties and intercepted his own QB, all in the same drive.
How do you intercept your own QB?

Sounds like he made a reception!
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1)LT D'Brickashaw Ferguson, Virginia - He is a top five pick a better pass blocker but not as good of run blocker as Gallery when he came out. The strength of each is will be demonstrated over time as Gallery will become a dominant run blocking RT and D'Brickshaw a dominant pass blocking LT.

with that in mind I'd like to change your 2nd pick (not that its a bad one)

2)RT Winston Justice, USC JR. or RT Justin Blalock, Texas JR.- if they both come out take your pick, I really dont have a preference at this point both would be excellent compliment to D'Brick on the left side, move Wade & Pitts inside at the guard position along with the rookie Center Hodgdon the Texans line is revamped and in good shape for the next five years. think about it.

I've watched Day and he has been extremely dissapointing to say the least so no way I would spend a 3rd rd pick on him, but one of these two TE's I would go for-

3)TE Leonard Pope, Georgia JR. or Dominique Byrd, USC - Both have first round talent but will slip due to issues with injurys or lack of all around skill sets but for a 3rd rd pick either one would be a great help to this offense. Also I think that Bruener will retire after this season and you just cannot count on Bennie Joppru to contribute & if he does you cut Rivers.

our 3b pick will be a good one (from N.O.) here you have to take a look at the BEST PLAYER AVAILABLE. I'm not looking necessarily for depth here I'm looking instead for a steal.

3)WR Steve Smith, USC JR. I keep watching film of this guy and he just keeps making amazing plays, he reminds me of another Trojan Kerry Colbert drafted late 2nd rd. by the Carolina Panthers in 04. simply put a player, excellent route runner, blocker and possesion receiver. I have been impressed with Gaffney as of late & Mathis is emerging as a deep threat but Bradford is most likely gone & Armstrong should be producing more than he has for whatever the reason.

If the Texans select a pair of bookends for the line, they can compress the players they already have signed into the appropriate guard slots. This is where they need a run stopper/pass rusher at this point in the draft its gonna be someone from a small school like a Jerome Mathis, hey you gotta justify the scouting costs somehow.

4)DE Stephen Bowen, Hofstra - http://www.hofstra.edu/Athletics/ath...A4D921DAA84801

5th rd. don't gotta start looking QB? you know just in case. I really see no need to keep resigning Tony Banks and never playing him, heck you got NFL EURO MVP David Ragone riding the bench as well but the Texans will at least keep him to justify that 3rd rd. pick.

5)QB Eugene Bruce, Grambling. Big thick 6-1 260+ lbs can move around the pocket and is breaking Doug Williams records has thrown for over 600 yds in a game & seven TD's.

6)DE Kyle Williams, LSU - Has a good motor and doesn't take plays off
7)RT Taitusi Lutui, USC - A huge tackle(6'6" 370lbs) who move the pile in the running game

both sound good at his point, I'm out of beer.

I agree with your assesment of Day, but I am almost positive Pope wont be available in the third.


My version of this mock, using most of the guys you suggested:


1)LT D'Brickashaw Ferguson, Virginia - He is a top five pick a better pass blocker but not as good of run blocker as Gallery when he came out. The strength of each is will be demonstrated over time as Gallery will become a dominant run blocking RT and D'Brickshaw a dominant pass blocking LT.

2)TE Lenord Pope, Georgia- A gigantic target who can block. The most well rounded TE available.

3)DE Elvis Dummerville, Louisville- Playmaker. In the 3-4 he is a LB, and he is not quick enough for that, but as a DE...think Freeny.

3)WR Steve Smith, USC JR. I keep watching film of this guy and he just keeps making amazing plays, he reminds me of another Trojan Kerry Colbert drafted late 2nd rd. by the Carolina Panthers in 04. simply put a player, excellent route runner, blocker and possesion receiver. I have been impressed with Gaffney as of late & Mathis is emerging as a deep threat but Bradford is most likely gone & Armstrong should be producing more than he has for whatever the reason.

4)DE Stephen Bowen, Hofstra - http://www.hofstra.edu/Athletics/ath...A4D921DAA84801

5th rd. don't gotta start looking QB? you know just in case. I really see no need to keep resigning Tony Banks and never playing him, heck you got NFL EURO MVP David Ragone riding the bench as well but the Texans will at least keep him to justify that 3rd rd. pick.

5)QB Eugene Bruce, Grambling. Big thick 6-1 260+ lbs can move around the pocket and is breaking Doug Williams records has thrown for over 600 yds in a game & seven TD's.

6)DE Kyle Williams, LSU - Has a good motor and doesn't take plays off
7)RT Taitusi Lutui, USC - A huge tackle(6'6" 370lbs) who move the pile in the running game




So I only changed a few things in for my opinion of the day regarding this mock. Have at it guys!
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No problem I could live with that

The thing about this years 2nd round pick (if we still have one come draft day) its going to be a very good player. if the Texans have a chance to secure the tackles at both ends for the future you HAVE TO DO IT. I like Pope but also Byrd so I'd roll the dice and see if one of them slips. The same thing can be said for Dummerville which is the reason I did'nt think he would be there in the 3rd.
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I was just wondering who you would take, Bryd from USC or Day from Oregon? I mean in the preseason Day was looking like a top prospect, but hasn't really shown anything. While Bryd can make amazing catches, then drop easy ones and isn't really a good blocker.
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I was just wondering who you would take, Bryd from USC or Day from Oregon? I mean in the preseason Day was looking like a top prospect, but hasn't really shown anything. While Bryd can make amazing catches, then drop easy ones and isn't really a good blocker.
Byrd is a much better route runner and plays in a pro-style offense with top talent in pressure packed, big games & he has made a difference for the #1 team in the country. I'd give him a 2nd/3rd rd grade.

Day has been, well less than advertised. I would like to see him step up & give the Ducks a lift but so far I have not seen him make a difference in any positive category so I doubt he would work out for the Texans as well.

I'll keep Murphy thank you anyway. Speaking of which they need to throw the ball his direction once in a while, seems like they've just stop'ed since early in the season.
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1)LT D'Brickashaw Ferguson, Virginia -

2)RT Winston Justice, USC JR. or RT Justin Blalock, Texas JR.-

3)TE Leonard Pope, Georgia JR. or Dominique Byrd, USC -

3)WR Steve Smith, USC JR. -

4)DE Stephen Bowen, Hofstra -

5)QB Eugene Bruce, Grambling-

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6)NT Steve Fifita, Utah 6'0/320

7)FS Vincent Meeks, Texas Tech 5'11"/220
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1)LT D'Brickashaw Ferguson, Virginia - He is a top five pick a better pass blocker but not as good of run blocker as Gallery when he came out. The strength of each is will be demonstrated over time as Gallery will become a dominant run blocking RT and D'Brickshaw a dominant pass blocking LT.

with that in mind I'd like to change your 2nd pick (not that its a bad one)

2)RT Winston Justice, USC JR. or RT Justin Blalock, Texas JR.- if they both come out take your pick, I really dont have a preference at this point both would be excellent compliment to D'Brick on the left side, move Wade & Pitts inside at the guard position along with the rookie Center Hodgdon the Texans line is revamped and in good shape for the next five years. think about it.

I've watched Day and he has been extremely dissapointing to say the least so no way I would spend a 3rd rd pick on him, but one of these two TE's I would go for-

3)TE Leonard Pope, Georgia JR. or Dominique Byrd, USC - Both have first round talent but will slip due to issues with injurys or lack of all around skill sets but for a 3rd rd pick either one would be a great help to this offense. Also I think that Bruener will retire after this season and you just cannot count on Bennie Joppru to contribute & if he does you cut Rivers.

our 3b pick will be a good one (from N.O.) here you have to take a look at the BEST PLAYER AVAILABLE. I'm not looking necessarily for depth here I'm looking instead for a steal.

3)WR Steve Smith, USC JR. I keep watching film of this guy and he just keeps making amazing plays, he reminds me of another Trojan Kerry Colbert drafted late 2nd rd. by the Carolina Panthers in 04. simply put a player, excellent route runner, blocker and possesion receiver. I have been impressed with Gaffney as of late & Mathis is emerging as a deep threat but Bradford is most likely gone & Armstrong should be producing more than he has for whatever the reason.

If the Texans select a pair of bookends for the line, they can compress the players they already have signed into the appropriate guard slots. This is where they need a run stopper/pass rusher at this point in the draft its gonna be someone from a small school like a Jerome Mathis, hey you gotta justify the scouting costs somehow.

4)DE Stephen Bowen, Hofstra - http://www.hofstra.edu/Athletics/ath...A4D921DAA84801

5th rd. don't gotta start looking QB? you know just in case. I really see no need to keep resigning Tony Banks and never playing him, heck you got NFL EURO MVP David Ragone riding the bench as well but the Texans will at least keep him to justify that 3rd rd. pick.

5)QB Eugene Bruce, Grambling. Big thick 6-1 260+ lbs can move around the pocket and is breaking Doug Williams records has thrown for over 600 yds in a game & seven TD's.

6)DE Kyle Williams, LSU - Has a good motor and doesn't take plays off
7)RT Taitusi Lutui, USC - A huge tackle(6'6" 370lbs) who move the pile in the running game

both sound good at his point, I'm out of beer.
If you are taking Blaylock in the second, why not trade down with Denver and pick up 2 first rounders. Then you can take Jon Scott at LT, AJ Hawk at LB, then take Blaylock in rd 2. SInce Blaylock and Scott were temmates they are used to working together and they already have a certiam amount of chemistry together.
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If you are taking Blaylock in the second, why not trade down with Denver and pick up 2 first rounders. Then you can take Jon Scott at LT, AJ Hawk at LB, then take Blaylock in rd 2. SInce Blaylock and Scott were temmates they are used to working together and they already have a certiam amount of chemistry together.
thats an interesting idea would the Broncos even consider this? they have a solid track record developing value picks- it would be hard to give up TWO 1st rd picks that I was confident would become solid NFL players for about the same price as one very good NFL player.

for the Texans to aquire Scott, who in my opinion at this point is the 5th rated OT, would mean that one, the Texans start winning games and finish the season with a draft slot once again in the teens, two they get a offer to trade down they cannot refuse (you mentioned Denver's Two #1's) three they trade a marquee player and aquire another mid to late 1st rd pick & four the Texans trade up using a package of picks (similar but not as severe as in the Babin trade).

right now all we're doing is throwing names out there so hopefully those interrested can catch them playing in some real games before the off season, the combines and pro-day workouts.
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After reviewing your imput, this is my mew draft.

1) LT D'Brickashaw Ferguson, Virginia
2) LB Abdul Hodge, Iowa
3) TE Dominique Byrd, USC
3) WR Travis Wilson, Oklahoma
4) OG Will Allen, Texas
5) DE Stephen Bowen, Hofstra
6) DT Barry Cofield, Northwestern
7) RT Taitusi Lutui, USC
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