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Old 11-01-2005   #1
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I'm quoting Don Banks from SI. He's talking about the Texans win:

"The Texans aren't special. They have no shot to make history. They're just another bad, one-win team."

The link: http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/200...s.shots/2.html

Up for debate: Are we really just another bad, one-win team? I would like to think that if we sucked, we were historically sucky. To put it another way, is there anything to distinguish us from the other loser teams in the NFL?
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At least we're the only loser team that has a retractable stadium....that seperates us.
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I was thinking about this, and I decided I should probably quantify "loser team." First of all, there are only two one-win teams, us and the Packers. That would be too easy, because the difference between the Texans and the Packers is that we have a QB. (You can substitute "they" for "we" if that makes you feel better.) So here are the current loser teams of the NFL (two or less wins):

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I'm quoting Don Banks from SI. He's talking about the Texans win:

"The Texans aren't special. They have no shot to make history. They're just another bad, one-win team."

The link: http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/200...s.shots/2.html

Up for debate: Are we really just another bad, one-win team? I would like to think that if we sucked, we were historically sucky. To put it another way, is there anything to distinguish us from the other loser teams in the NFL?
We are honestly probably a bad 2-3 win team at the end of the season.
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We could win more than one game. We still play the Titans, 49ers, Cards and Ravens. Granted, the Ravens and 49ers just had good games.
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I'm not sure if I want our team to be a part of this particular 'history'.

It's almost like arguing which smells worse - dog poo or cat poo. Does the subject really make itself worthy of a discussion?

It must be a slow news day for Mr. Don Banks. Find something more interesting to write about, man.
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Well I don't think we are a bad TEAM. We got the talent, it is just that talent hasn't been coached to it's potential. I don't think you call this a bad team until you see them do horrible consistently with different coaches like Cardinals, Bengals, Lions etc...
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I just hope that this bad team isnt good enough to win enough games to where we wind up drafting in the middle of the pack. Lord help us if we win enough to secure Dom's job for one more year.
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The way I see that is you can't lose. If you draft #1 you get the best player in the draft and go for your lineman in FA. If you draft middle of the pack you get the best OL in the draft and go for your playmaker in FA.
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Well I don't think we are a bad TEAM. We got the talent, it is just that talent hasn't been coached to it's potential. I don't think you call this a bad team until you see them do horrible consistently with different coaches like Cardinals, Bengals, Lions etc...
1-6 is still a bad TEAM, however, I agree that this is a talented team
and with some upgrades in the off-season, players and coaches, we can be competitive next year.
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....we arent just loaded with talent, in fact there arent too many positions on the team that couldnt use an upgrade
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You know what's really bad, in retrospect, many here thought the Texans were a playoff contending team this year.

Instead it's been a diaster. I expected more myself and never thought they'd only have 1 win so far.
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Yes, and those who said it was going to be bad were given a lot of grief. The one player I said would make a big impact was Mathis and he has. This team has talent, but the coaches make us look oh so bad. Its a shame its that way. I will still say the best O-line combination is Wand, Wiegert, Hodgdon, Pitts and Wade. You will never see it, but I believe that to be the case. I also think we should have kept Kasper and Armstrong should be getting a lot more playing time. The player who has surprised me was Gaffny. I thought his injuries and loss of playing time was going to hurt him more than it has. Actually AJ's injury is allowing Gaffny to play himself into shape and get the touches he needs. AJ is the one I'm still scratching my head over. He was suppose to have a calf injury and now they seem to be talking knee injury. Kind of a different tune. Actually AJ out of the line up is a blessing for the other receivers. They are getting opportunities and it should help us in the long run.
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I do agree that we are a bad team with a 4 year history, but my gosh what about the Packers with their history and the same record that we have, 1-6.

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You know what's really bad, in retrospect, many here thought the Texans were a playoff contending team this year.

Instead it's been a diaster. I expected more myself and never thought they'd only have 1 win so far.

I know it has happened before where a team was expected to return to the Superbowl and was just pathetic the next year, but how often does it happen that a potential play-off contender bites the bullet like we have?
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I know it has happened before where a team was expected to return to the Superbowl and was just pathetic the next year, but how often does it happen that a potential play-off contender bites the bullet like we have?
We were a borderline playoff contender and most people had us pegged for 8-8 or a win or so around that. It happens all the time in the NFL because every team is loaded and its really not that hard to string losses together in such a tough league. A few years ago San Diego came off an 8-8 season and went 4-12 the very next season (2002-2003) and they were arguably more talented than we are now.
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Yes, and those who said it was going to be bad were given a lot of grief. The one player I said would make a big impact was Mathis and he has. This team has talent, but the coaches make us look oh so bad. Its a shame its that way. I will still say the best O-line combination is Wand, Wiegert, Hodgdon, Pitts and Wade. You will never see it, but I believe that to be the case. I also think we should have kept Kasper and Armstrong should be getting a lot more playing time. The player who has surprised me was Gaffny. I thought his injuries and loss of playing time was going to hurt him more than it has. Actually AJ's injury is allowing Gaffny to play himself into shape and get the touches he needs. AJ is the one I'm still scratching my head over. He was suppose to have a calf injury and now they seem to be talking knee injury. Kind of a different tune. Actually AJ out of the line up is a blessing for the other receivers. They are getting opportunities and it should help us in the long run.
Yeah, that's true. It is also helping Carr as well, IMO. When AJ does return, his time away should have given Carr the confidence to use his #2 WR when AJ isn't open.
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Yes, and those who said it was going to be bad were given a lot of grief. The one player I said would make a big impact was Mathis and he has. This team has talent, but the coaches make us look oh so bad. Its a shame its that way. I will still say the best O-line combination is Wand, Wiegert, Hodgdon, Pitts and Wade. You will never see it, but I believe that to be the case. I also think we should have kept Kasper and Armstrong should be getting a lot more playing time. The player who has surprised me was Gaffny. I thought his injuries and loss of playing time was going to hurt him more than it has. Actually AJ's injury is allowing Gaffny to play himself into shape and get the touches he needs. AJ is the one I'm still scratching my head over. He was suppose to have a calf injury and now they seem to be talking knee injury. Kind of a different tune. Actually AJ out of the line up is a blessing for the other receivers. They are getting opportunities and it should help us in the long run.
The Texans management seems to have a problem with "straightforwardness" when it comes to injuries.
Hasn't it been that way since year one?........

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Thanks, Vinny.

Here's something. The Texans, Saints, and Vikings are all loser teams this year that are imploding, and in all three cases, management or coaching is as much at fault as the players. To be more specific, I think that each team needs more leadership.

Now, the Niners are very different from the Texans because they are just starting their rebuilding phase, IMO. The Texans, however, should be at the end of the rebuilding phase.

The Ravens and Jets have had key injuries that are affecting the team. While the Texans have had some injuries, at this point I don't know if I would consider them "key." IMO, Babin and Weigert were not producing before their injuries. The biggest injury for the Texans is probably AJ, but something in the back of my head seems to think that he isn't as injured as we all think.

I remember watching the NFL show on HBO this past weekend, and they brought up an interesting comparison, though it was unintentional. Costas asked who the most underachieving player this year was. Chris Carter said David Carr. Dan Marino agreed about Carr, but said he thought Jamal Lewis was the most underachieving player. The similarity? Both are star players on the list of teams with less than three wins.
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Thanks, Vinny.

Here's something. The Texans, Saints, and Vikings are all loser teams this year that are imploding, and in all three cases, management or coaching is as much at fault as the players. To be more specific, I think that each team needs more leadership.
Well the good news is that San Diego team I mentioned earlier is now one of the best team in the NFL.
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I remember watching the NFL show on HBO this past weekend, and they brought up an interesting comparison, though it was unintentional. Costas asked who the most underachieving player this year was. Chris Carter said David Carr. Dan Marino agreed about Carr, but said he thought Jamal Lewis was the most underachieving player. The similarity? Both are star players on the list of teams with less than three wins.
If your best players play poorly then you just won't have a good team for the most part. Since we have a salary cap the highest paid players need to be your best players since they tie up some of that money you could have used to pursue for other positions. David Carr is the first overall pick with 51 NFL starts under his belt and he struggles to pass for 140 yards against a bad Cleveland team. He is just going to catch heat until he lights it up. 2+2=4
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