Who Should Leave Next Season - Houston Texans Message Board & Forum

College Texan · 10-28-2005

I see Capers leaving along with Pendry, Fangio and a few others. Anybody who
had input on coaching the o-line should leave, the DB's coach should leave(why do they play so soft), TE's coach should leave ( they could have done more to improve billy), WR's coach should leave (what kind of drills do they practice, I don't think any of them have to do with catching the ball), the RB coach should leave (remember how close the RB's used to line up behind carr, only bout 3-4 yards, and they still do sometimes), The conditioning coach needs to get fired, whoever is thier motivational speaker should get fired. Out of the players: Joppru
how do you tear an ACL without getting hit (cough,roids,cough) Holings-you may be good but you can't find the playing field, Wade, Miami already has another Wade so your screwed, Greenwood-you fell short of expectations, P-Buch trade him to Spain and we'll finally see you prosper as a matador. Anybody backing the O-line (if ya can't start on the worst O-line then I don't know where ya should go).................the end

Honoring Earl 34 · 10-28-2005

Make the ? easy and ask who should stay .

rmartin65 · 10-28-2005

I think the DB coach should stay. Hoke was good last year.

AlexVanderpool · 10-28-2005

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Originally Posted by rmartin65

I think the DB coach should stay. Hoke was good last year.

yes, keep hoke and marchiano....unless jimmy johnson thinks otherwise

10-28-2005

If we hire a new coach, then I would much rather have him bring in his staff. Although it worked well for Parcells in Dallas, keeping other peoples staff may be a mistake.

**Lucky** · 10-28-2005

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Originally Posted by rmartin65

I think the DB coach should stay. Hoke was good last year.

The Texans defense in '04 was 31st in TD passes allowed & 31st in completion % allowed. They are 31st in completion % allowed this season. And other than Dunta, they aren't tackling well. Don't really see how Hoke deserves to stay above anyone else.

Speaking of Dunta, he just called to remind me to come out early for the Browns game this Sunday. I see it as an omen that my favorite player would call for my support. The first win of '05 is forthcoming!

**infantrycak** · 10-28-2005

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Originally Posted by Lucky

The Texans defense in '04 was 31st in TD passes allowed & 31st in completion % allowed. They are 31st in completion % allowed this season. And other than Dunta, they aren't tackling well. Don't really see how Hoke deserves to stay above anyone else.

Seems to me everyone has assumed Dunta had a great rookie year because of Hoke so they are giving Hoke unearned accolades. Maybe Dunta is good because of Dunta. Hoke hasn't convinced Marcus Coleman that he is a 210 lb guy and is actually allowed to hit people. He sure hasn't coached up Buchanon to perform to his potential. Evidently he hasn't been able to coach up 4th round (but 2nd round talent) Earl to beat out a 6th round rookie even though this should be Earl's big year of improvement. He also hasn't taught the entire secondary how to close up seems in a zone scheme so we get picked apart mercilessly. What exactly has Hoke done that is so great?

**eriadoc** · 10-28-2005

It's hard to separate fact from fiction at this stage of the game, but I'd say Hoke has done well enough to merit a position somewhere. Obviously, Dunta has great talent, but Hoke's done a lot of work with him. I think he's also done some great work with Earl and CC Brown, neither of whom were expected to make the team, IIRC. Coleman's move to free safety has been largely overlooked because Coleman is a vet, but there's some coaching going on there as well. Buchanon is the only sore spot, really. While I think they overestimate Faggins' ability, he has improved since he's come on the team. The fact that they ranked so poorly, in terms of statistics, has more to do with the lack of QB pressue than anything else, IMO. They play zones a bit too frequently for my liking as well, which contributes to the stats. The zone coverages are a byproduct of the bend-don't-break philosophy that we play, which isn't a direct reflection of Hoke.

**infantrycak** · 10-28-2005

What do you mean Earl was never expected to make the team? Casserly was all giddy about getting the guy that had gone into his last college year ranked as the #2 safety. Plus the Texans had what at SS?--a guy who is no longer in the league. CC maybe not, but IMO they expected Earl to make the team.

LBC_Justin · 10-28-2005

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Originally Posted by Lucky

The Texans defense in '04 was 31st in TD passes allowed & 31st in completion % allowed. They are 31st in completion % allowed this season. And other than Dunta, they aren't tackling well. Don't really see how Hoke deserves to stay above anyone else.

What do you expect.

Couple of things.
1. When your D-line is just pathetic at rushing the passer your Secondary is going to feel it.
2. We face Peyton Manning twice a year. That is not good for your stats.
3. Do we ever effectively blitz?

"other than Dunta" - ummmm....how many DBs are there? Not many. Plus CC Brown looks decent too.

Yes they need work, big time. But they are not even close to the worst of of the Texans problems. Start with both O & D Lines, our WRs & TE, LBs. Then you we have issues at QB (hard to tell), then I would say our DBs.

rmartin65 · 10-28-2005

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Originally Posted by Lucky

Speaking of Dunta, he just called to remind me to come out early for the Browns game this Sunday. I see it as an omen that my favorite player would call for my support. The first win of '05 is forthcoming!

Dunta called you? Thats so cool!!!

**Lucky** · 10-28-2005

It was pre-recorded for season ticket holders. Still, pretty cool.

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Originally Posted by LBC_Justin

What do you expect.

Well most of all, I expect them to make tackles. Not shy away. Your point of the lack of a pass rush is a good one. But what does that have to do with tackling the man with the ball?

I'm just not real impressed with any of the Texans coaches this season.

profan · 10-28-2005

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Originally Posted by rmartin65

I think the DB coach should stay. Hoke was good last year.

I believe he was the main reason we got Patrick Buchanon. Based on that alone, he should go. He's done nothing to improve our secondary. Clean House.

**ArlingtonTexan** · 10-28-2005

When a team is 0-6 , never held a lead with the worst defense and offense in the league, not one person is immune from firing. there will be some suvivors, but in total organizational meltdown situation no job should safe.

mean mark8 · 10-28-2005

The only thing I think about CC Brown is that he's played above his 5th round selection. I do not believe he is a starting caliber SS in the NFL. He gets run over by RBs and messes up in coverage. Earl was hurt early on and for some reason the coaches fell in love w/ Brown. He may play with a lot of effort but I want results. Anyone who wants to say he's only a rookie, I say let's start a guy with more experience plus great potential, Earl.

I just got the recorded message from Robinson too, asking me to come to the game. Sounds like more desparation from a sinking ship. When they have to get their only player who's seemed to play up to his potential for the year to call people who already own tickets to get you to come to a game where we're picked to win, it's almost like begging.

MorKnolle · 10-28-2005

Hoke and Oden (the DB coaches) should stay as that's been one of the few consistent bright spots on our team in the last couple years.
I don't have much of a problem with Chick Harris or Kippy Brown (RB and WR coaches) or Mike London (DL coach), so depending on the new head coaching staff that will likely come in we could hang on to them too.

MorKnolle · 10-28-2005

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Originally Posted by College Texan

I see Capers leaving along with Pendry, Fangio and a few others. Anybody who
had input on coaching the o-line should leave, the DB's coach should leave(why do they play so soft), TE's coach should leave ( they could have done more to improve billy), WR's coach should leave (what kind of drills do they practice, I don't think any of them have to do with catching the ball), the RB coach should leave (remember how close the RB's used to line up behind carr, only bout 3-4 yards, and they still do sometimes), The conditioning coach needs to get fired, whoever is thier motivational speaker should get fired. Out of the players: Joppru
how do you tear an ACL without getting hit (cough,roids,cough) Holings-you may be good but you can't find the playing field, Wade, Miami already has another Wade so your screwed, Greenwood-you fell short of expectations, P-Buch trade him to Spain and we'll finally see you prosper as a matador. Anybody backing the O-line (if ya can't start on the worst O-line then I don't know where ya should go).................the end

This post has some of the most ignorant opinions I've seen on any of these boards.

gbank54 · 10-28-2005

FIRE THEM ALL!!!!!!! Fire any coaches, motivational speakers, even the damn trainers....Lets start fresh and new and find someone who can MAKE these guys play. I think our players have potential, but no one to make it show.

MorKnolle · 10-28-2005

The players have lost any fire that they once had and Hoke and then the DL guys are some of the few people that still play with heart and fire and I think those coaches do a pretty good job anyways so I would say keep them around. I think the RB and WR coaches are ok, but keeping them depends entirely on what system we have next year.

As far as players go, I would definitely keep David Carr, Domanick Davis, Vernand Morency, Moran Norrs, Andre Johnson, Jabar Gaffney, Jerome Mathis, Derrick Armstrong, Robaire Smith, Seth Payne, Antwan Peek, Dunta Robinson, and CC Brown. These picks are disregarding any salary cap obligations we would have to keep to any other players that we would cut and is going strictly on how they are playing and whether they would be worth keeping around for a new system that is brought in.

College Texan · 10-28-2005

I'm just trying to say, these players have great talent which I think is not being refined through coaching, I think the staff also does not make the players feel any good about thier strong points and insist that they play to what their system ask for. Also I got carried away on the player evaluations, but I just don't see any place for them on the team, I would want to have durable players with potential. The NFL doesn't give ppl many chances, we are giving some players too much opportunity which they can't even show casue they are injured or don't have the depth to cut them. Remember the Patriots, it seems whenever one of their players gets injured they have a backup who can play his strongpoints and not get thier weakpoints exposed, Randall Gay, and I bet the Pats don't put up with inconsisitency.

10-28-2005	#1
College Texan Veteran Join Date: Oct 2005 Location: Bay City Posts: 158 Rep Power: 8	Who Should Leave Next Season I see Capers leaving along with Pendry, Fangio and a few others. Anybody who had input on coaching the o-line should leave, the DB's coach should leave(why do they play so soft), TE's coach should leave ( they could have done more to improve billy), WR's coach should leave (what kind of drills do they practice, I don't think any of them have to do with catching the ball), the RB coach should leave (remember how close the RB's used to line up behind carr, only bout 3-4 yards, and they still do sometimes), The conditioning coach needs to get fired, whoever is thier motivational speaker should get fired. Out of the players: Joppru how do you tear an ACL without getting hit (cough,roids,cough) Holings-you may be good but you can't find the playing field, Wade, Miami already has another Wade so your screwed, Greenwood-you fell short of expectations, P-Buch trade him to Spain and we'll finally see you prosper as a matador. Anybody backing the O-line (if ya can't start on the worst O-line then I don't know where ya should go).................the end

10-28-2005	#9
infantrycak Lead Moderator Join Date: Apr 2004 Location: Houston, TX Age: 45 Posts: 37,439 Rep Power: 76017	What do you mean Earl was never expected to make the team? Casserly was all giddy about getting the guy that had gone into his last college year ranked as the #2 safety. Plus the Texans had what at SS?--a guy who is no longer in the league. CC maybe not, but IMO they expected Earl to make the team. __________________ The Art of War

10-28-2005	#15
mean mark8 Veteran Join Date: Mar 2005 Age: 47 Posts: 220 Rep Power: 9	The only thing I think about CC Brown is that he's played above his 5th round selection. I do not believe he is a starting caliber SS in the NFL. He gets run over by RBs and messes up in coverage. Earl was hurt early on and for some reason the coaches fell in love w/ Brown. He may play with a lot of effort but I want results. Anyone who wants to say he's only a rookie, I say let's start a guy with more experience plus great potential, Earl. I just got the recorded message from Robinson too, asking me to come to the game. Sounds like more desparation from a sinking ship. When they have to get their only player who's seemed to play up to his potential for the year to call people who already own tickets to get you to come to a game where we're picked to win, it's almost like begging. Last edited by mean mark8; 10-28-2005 at 03:19 PM.

10-28-2005	#16
MorKnolle Hall of Fame Join Date: Apr 2005 Posts: 3,210 Rep Power: 0	Hoke and Oden (the DB coaches) should stay as that's been one of the few consistent bright spots on our team in the last couple years. I don't have much of a problem with Chick Harris or Kippy Brown (RB and WR coaches) or Mike London (DL coach), so depending on the new head coaching staff that will likely come in we could hang on to them too. Last edited by MorKnolle; 10-28-2005 at 04:06 PM.

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10-28-2005	#2
Honoring Earl 34 Hey Koolaid Join Date: Jan 2005 Location: Houston Age: 50 Posts: 16,741 Rep Power: 35890	Make the ? easy and ask who should stay . __________________ "I've been on food stamps and welfare, did anybody help me out? ... Craig T. Nelson:

10-28-2005	#3
rmartin65 I'm Score Join Date: Jul 2005 Age: 23 Posts: 7,493 Rep Power: 19221	I think the DB coach should stay. Hoke was good last year.

10-28-2005	#5
SESupergenius Guest Posts: n/a	If we hire a new coach, then I would much rather have him bring in his staff. Although it worked well for Parcells in Dallas, keeping other peoples staff may be a mistake.

10-28-2005	#8
eriadoc Texan-American Join Date: Aug 2004 Posts: 15,322 Rep Power: 69629	It's hard to separate fact from fiction at this stage of the game, but I'd say Hoke has done well enough to merit a position somewhere. Obviously, Dunta has great talent, but Hoke's done a lot of work with him. I think he's also done some great work with Earl and CC Brown, neither of whom were expected to make the team, IIRC. Coleman's move to free safety has been largely overlooked because Coleman is a vet, but there's some coaching going on there as well. Buchanon is the only sore spot, really. While I think they overestimate Faggins' ability, he has improved since he's come on the team. The fact that they ranked so poorly, in terms of statistics, has more to do with the lack of QB pressue than anything else, IMO. They play zones a bit too frequently for my liking as well, which contributes to the stats. The zone coverages are a byproduct of the bend-don't-break philosophy that we play, which isn't a direct reflection of Hoke.

10-28-2005	#14
ArlingtonTexan Moderator Join Date: May 2004 Age: 46 Posts: 5,258 Rep Power: 19442	When a team is 0-6 , never held a lead with the worst defense and offense in the league, not one person is immune from firing. there will be some suvivors, but in total organizational meltdown situation no job should safe.

10-28-2005	#18
gbank54 Rookie Join Date: Aug 2005 Posts: 17 Rep Power: 0	FIRE THEM ALL!!!!!!! Fire any coaches, motivational speakers, even the damn trainers....Lets start fresh and new and find someone who can MAKE these guys play. I think our players have potential, but no one to make it show.

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