Go Back   Houston Texans Message Board & Forum - TexansTalk.com > The Great Fans of the Houston Texans > Texans Talk
Home Forums Register FAQDonate Automatic Monthly Contribution Members List Mark Forums Read


Texans Talk Football talk only please. Keep it to the game, the players, the coaches and management.

Reply
 
Thread Tools Display Modes
Old 10-27-2005   #1
powda
Hall of Fame
 
powda's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jun 2004
Posts: 3,339
Rep Power: 121565 powda is a quality contributor and well respectedpowda is a quality contributor and well respectedpowda is a quality contributor and well respectedpowda is a quality contributor and well respectedpowda is a quality contributor and well respectedpowda is a quality contributor and well respectedpowda is a quality contributor and well respectedpowda is a quality contributor and well respectedpowda is a quality contributor and well respectedpowda is a quality contributor and well respectedpowda is a quality contributor and well respected
Exclamation 10 game off season.

Earlier this week coach Dom capers was quoted as saying “we have a ten game season.” He has no idea how wrong he is. The Texans have a 10 game head start on our off season and a jump on the competition. Why you ask? Because as we all know capers is already a lame duck coach. There’s only one reason he’s still here; bob mcnair desperately wants to avoid a place in the history of football as 0-16. Oddly enough capers first win could get him the boot faster. The upheaval of a coaching change mid season hurts our chances to win right now more then a makeshift interim staff. That’s why it hasn't happened yet.

Consider this- in the next 2-3 weeks mcnair will be finished evaluating casserly with his “outside consultants”. This may in fact have already happened as evidenced by people like Charlie Weiss receiving calls from an “unnamed NFL team”. Expect to hear more from this “unnamed NFL team” about a potential coaching position. Of course we’re making calls---capers sealed his fate on 10-16 (in front of a national audience mind you.)

If casserly has retained his position David Carr will be benched in the very near future. This will be in an effort to reduce the abuse he gets and salvage his talent. Capers has had his opportunity with Carr and failed miserably. Carr has regressed...why continue to expose him to the abuse of an incompetent coaching staff and a lost season? Carr retools, commits his film time to reading defenses, and just maybe he secretly gets another playbook to look over before the end of the season...oddly enough, benching Carr shows him the commitment the front office has in him. Go figure. (I'd even speculate a mysterious illness overtakes him before the end of the season...)

Mcnair and casserly have done under the table deals before. Tony boselli was drafted #1 in our expansion draft to insure both walker and Payne were made available to us. Carr's contract was done even before he was drafted. Drew Henson was never supposed to end up in the NFL but somehow we made it happen and pulled one over on those other 31 teams. And now, the Texan's newest coach will secretly be given final authority on our off season on 12-19 after our upcoming Arizona cardinal’s debacle. Why that game you ask? Because in 8 more games capers should get that 1 win----and likely that alone. In late December College teams are on a Christmas break. In late December the playoff picture in the NFL is almost final and the writing is on the door for numerous coaches. In late December we still have that cushion for our newest coach to decide on things like Carr's contract. In late December we still have a head start in the assistant coaching hunt.

Of course all of this speculation is assuming ( A) casserly is retained AND ( B) a coaching candidate is willing to commit that early.

(A)
Casserly will be retained for 1 of 2 reasons:

McNair blames the coaching staff or

Mcnair can maintain that cohesion with a GM he's known for years now and still effect dramatic change by establishing new job descriptions. Casserly loses certain personnel authorities to the new coach while still being the asset he's been in other ways (as a cap manager for instance).

1 more season with a new coaching staff gives mcnair the chance to really evaluate how much casserly is to blame for where we are now. 1 more season gives mcnair an opportunity at more and better GM candidates. a longer timeline means a less dramatic impact on people employed by the Texans who are outside the on-field operations.

A calculated dismissal of capers and a slow weaning of casserly (as necessary) truly are the best solutions in my opinion. We have an immediate change on the field and mild consequences off of it.

But don't let me get bogged down with just 1 assumption (lol). There’s more to discuss...

(B) (Why would a coaching candidate commit in December?)

We have lots to offer our newest coach:

-Generous and unmeddeling owner who's displayed an unbelievable amount of patience this season.
-Great stadium.
-State of the art facilities.
-Respectable city (not the lure of a calli or Florida location but certainly not the bottom of the heap.)

-An eager fan base as long as the product on the field is worthwhile...(how many games have been blacked out? merchandise revenue even for a bad team?)

-No income tax (a good coach knows that can be a key asset in recruiting free agents.)
-a chance to make history with a team that doesn't have one.

-Contrary to our current product on the field we do have some core talent.... YOUNG core talent. I think everyone throughout the league realizes this team is far more talented then our record indicates. As a young team sound leadership and team concept instilled by a good coach would garner a far more competitive product. WE ARE A TEAM POISED FOR A REBOUND YEAR WITH THE RIGHT COACH.

-We currently have a good cap scenario which also aides a new coach in a quick turn around.
-To expand on our cap situation we even have the flexibility right now to jettison Carr if the new regime feels he isn't the long term answer.

-We have an extra 3rd round pick and we will surely have a top 3 pick so the new regime has a chance to get a great young player that fits their system in the regime's first off season.

-And finally, this coaching job is already vacant---IT JUST HASN'T BEEN FORMALLY ANNOUNCED. There are only 32 teams and 32 coaching jobs. There may only be 3 to 4 teams that make those kind of changes this year. If we call a coach about a vacant spot for him he has no guarantee he’ll be called again. Why wager on a firing that may or may not happen with another team? This IS the perfect opportunity.

Like most of you I'd been looking forward to the off season. The difference is...I think it’s already here.

Call it conspiracy or asinine speculation if you want, but in a season this bad I don't have much else to dwell on.
__________________
Each year, there are more than 40,000 toilet related injuries in the United States.
powda is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 10-27-2005   #2
Wharton
Site Contributor
 
Wharton's Avatar
 
Join Date: Aug 2005
Age: 48
Posts: 817
Rep Power: 12 Wharton was voted MVPWharton was voted MVPWharton was voted MVP
Default

Damn good post. Wish more were like it.

Wharton is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 10-27-2005   #3
TexansAllTheWayBaby
Veteran
 
Join Date: Nov 2004
Location: northeast ohio
Age: 25
Posts: 194
Rep Power: 12 TexansAllTheWayBaby is a Pro BowlerTexansAllTheWayBaby is a Pro Bowler
Send a message via AIM to TexansAllTheWayBaby
Exclamation

Please allow me to analyze your article you just posted. I like what you wrote for some, and dislike other.

I belive tih season SO FAR is not up to our standars. However, i strongly believe Dom Capers is right, the new 10-game season begins Sunday vs. The Browns in our house.

Also, i think we still have potentail to turn this thing around, because

A) Our players are continuing to fight hard for Capers, that will pay off

B) Our remaining schedule lightens up some.

C) I dont see any HUGE problem in our play right now, just a bunch of small mistakes that add up.

Continue to support us, you never know when we may get hot.

Go Texans!
TexansAllTheWayBaby is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 10-27-2005   #4
the wonger need food
Hall of Fame
 
the wonger need food's Avatar
 
Join Date: Dec 2004
Location: Houston
Age: 45
Posts: 2,562
Rep Power: 1341 the wonger need food is a quality contributor and well respectedthe wonger need food is a quality contributor and well respectedthe wonger need food is a quality contributor and well respectedthe wonger need food is a quality contributor and well respectedthe wonger need food is a quality contributor and well respectedthe wonger need food is a quality contributor and well respectedthe wonger need food is a quality contributor and well respectedthe wonger need food is a quality contributor and well respectedthe wonger need food is a quality contributor and well respectedthe wonger need food is a quality contributor and well respectedthe wonger need food is a quality contributor and well respected
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by TexansAllTheWayBaby
C) I dont see any HUGE problem in our play right now, just a bunch of small mistakes that add up.
Uhhhh... which team are you watching exactly? I could waste 20 minutes listing stats and examples to prove otherwise, but it's apparent that you're on the verge of kool-aid poisoning.
the wonger need food is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 10-27-2005   #5
AlexVanderpool
Veteran
 
AlexVanderpool's Avatar
 
Join Date: May 2004
Posts: 120
Rep Power: 11 AlexVanderpool is ridin' the pine
Talking

Quote:
Originally Posted by the wonger need food
Uhhhh... which team are you watching exactly? I could waste 20 minutes listing stats and examples to prove otherwise, but it's apparent that you're on the verge of kool-aid poisoning.

kool-aid poisoning....my new favorite term!!!!
AlexVanderpool is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 10-27-2005   #6
Wharton
Site Contributor
 
Wharton's Avatar
 
Join Date: Aug 2005
Age: 48
Posts: 817
Rep Power: 12 Wharton was voted MVPWharton was voted MVPWharton was voted MVP
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by TexansAllTheWayBaby
A) Our players are continuing to fight hard for Capers, that will pay off
I don't see it and haven't seen it all year.
Wharton is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 10-28-2005   #7
El Tejano
Hall of Fame
 
Join Date: Apr 2004
Posts: 9,835
Rep Power: 14626 El Tejano is a quality contributor and well respectedEl Tejano is a quality contributor and well respectedEl Tejano is a quality contributor and well respectedEl Tejano is a quality contributor and well respectedEl Tejano is a quality contributor and well respectedEl Tejano is a quality contributor and well respectedEl Tejano is a quality contributor and well respectedEl Tejano is a quality contributor and well respectedEl Tejano is a quality contributor and well respectedEl Tejano is a quality contributor and well respectedEl Tejano is a quality contributor and well respected
Default

[.

Continue to support us, you never know when we may get hot.

[/quote]
This dude must be a player or something.
El Tejano is offline   Reply With Quote
Sponsored links
Old 10-28-2005   #8
Doug
All Pro
 
Join Date: May 2004
Age: 38
Posts: 551
Rep Power: 11 Doug is ridin' the pine
Default

It's a 10 game season, then next week will be a 9 game season, 8 game season and so on....It's rediculous already, he (Capers) should have gone into sales. When ESPN NFL Live has nothing better to do than use 1 min and 40 secs to come up with as many adjectives (all bad, of course) as possible for the Houston Texans things have hit an all time low. Hey, who says we don't get any media attention?!
Doug is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 10-28-2005   #9
rockabilly
Veteran
 
rockabilly's Avatar
 
Join Date: Nov 2004
Location: Austin, TX
Age: 31
Posts: 412
Rep Power: 433 rockabilly is a quality contributor and well respectedrockabilly is a quality contributor and well respectedrockabilly is a quality contributor and well respectedrockabilly is a quality contributor and well respectedrockabilly is a quality contributor and well respectedrockabilly is a quality contributor and well respectedrockabilly is a quality contributor and well respectedrockabilly is a quality contributor and well respectedrockabilly is a quality contributor and well respectedrockabilly is a quality contributor and well respectedrockabilly is a quality contributor and well respected
Default

Great post. Thats alot to think about and is not totally out of the question. There is no way Capers survives this season. We need to bench carr after one win...we are gonna ruin this guy if we dont.

Fire Capers.
rockabilly is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 10-28-2005   #10
College Texan
Veteran
 
College Texan's Avatar
 
Join Date: Oct 2005
Location: Bay City
Posts: 158
Rep Power: 10 College Texan is ridin' the pine
Default

We need a head coach that will punk our GM and run the show, Parcells gets all the credit for the draft picks. I think soemone like Charlie wies or Pete Carroll can put Casserly in his place, or out of it.
College Texan is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 10-28-2005   #11
rockabilly
Veteran
 
rockabilly's Avatar
 
Join Date: Nov 2004
Location: Austin, TX
Age: 31
Posts: 412
Rep Power: 433 rockabilly is a quality contributor and well respectedrockabilly is a quality contributor and well respectedrockabilly is a quality contributor and well respectedrockabilly is a quality contributor and well respectedrockabilly is a quality contributor and well respectedrockabilly is a quality contributor and well respectedrockabilly is a quality contributor and well respectedrockabilly is a quality contributor and well respectedrockabilly is a quality contributor and well respectedrockabilly is a quality contributor and well respectedrockabilly is a quality contributor and well respected
Default

There is early speculation that Mike Martz(St. Louis Rams) is on his way out. He can be a viable canidate for the job. Perfect timing in order to start building. I dont know if I personally would want Martz...cause i hate the rams...but he isnt a bad coach. Plus he is offensive minded.
rockabilly is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 10-28-2005   #12
J-Storm
Veteran
 
J-Storm's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jan 2005
Location: Central West NSW, Australia...
Age: 38
Posts: 254
Rep Power: 0 J-Storm is ridin' the pine
Send a message via MSN to J-Storm
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by rockabilly
There is early speculation that Mike Martz(St. Louis Rams) is on his way out. He can be a viable canidate for the job. Perfect timing in order to start building. I dont know if I personally would want Martz...cause i hate the rams...but he isnt a bad coach. Plus he is offensive minded.
The guys on PTI mentioned the exact same thing a few days ago. I agree with what they said that a coach like Martz would be a good fit for our offense 'cos at the moment all we do is run and throw the ball when we really shouldn't and don't throw it when we should so Carr gets another bump or bruise...

And for the post up above where stated that our schedule is getting lighter and easier, that's a poor excuse for underacheiving when you have most of the tools. If you can't even compete with a Seattle or Indianapolis then you really deserve to be at the position you are in the league (with the #1 Draft pick in the upcoming season)...
__________________
"And if you're not down with that, we've got 2 words for ya - 'S*ck It!'..."
J-Storm is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 10-28-2005   #13
ATX_Texan
Veteran
 
ATX_Texan's Avatar
 
Join Date: May 2005
Location: The 512, ATX
Posts: 125
Rep Power: 10 ATX_Texan is a team player
Default

Quote:
A) Our players are continuing to fight hard for Capers, that will pay off

B) Our remaining schedule lightens up some.

C) I dont see any HUGE problem in our play right now, just a bunch of small mistakes that add up.

Continue to support us, you never know when we may get hot.

Man, this is some funny stuff!!!!!

A.) The players gave up on Capers in the middle of LAST season. It is pretty much like the 2004 season did not end with the Browns meltdown. We continue to see the same horrible effort week in and week out. I am sorry to tell you but everyone else see this problem and realizes that Don is done.

B.) Every other team has at least one win and all have at least held a lead at some point during the season. Things the Texans have been unable to do. I expect us to pull out one victory, but that is strictly based on the law of averages.

C.) This team makes the same mistakes over and over again. I can accept breakdowns caused by differences in talent. However, I see dumb penalties every week, which should be eliminated with proper coaching. I also see game plans that lack any imagination and that are easy to over come. Finally, I see no ability to make adjustments to what the other team is doing. The Capers way is to execute (there is that word again) a simplified set of plays. If there are penalities on our part or better counter measures by the opponent, then this system will surely fail. As evidenced by our horrible record.

I will continue to support the team. However, I have accepted the fact that this team was done with Capers as of November of 2004. My only hope is that they continue to lose and Capers is shown the door sooner than later. If McNair is waiting for that first win to pull the trigger on canning Capers, then please let the Texans win so that the axe will fall. I see no reason to continue on this path. The Browns and Dolphins both had mid season firings last year and both were able to attract top notch coaches. The Texans are a top five revenue producing NFL team, which means they should be able to recruit top notch coaching talent. I don't want this team to turn into the Cardinals or Saints.

Last edited by ATX_Texan; 10-28-2005 at 09:32 AM.
ATX_Texan is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 10-28-2005   #14
Kaiser Toro
Native Mod
 
Kaiser Toro's Avatar
 
Join Date: Sep 2004
Location: Straight Outta Austin
Age: 44
Posts: 16,085
Rep Power: 54156 Kaiser Toro is a quality contributor and well respectedKaiser Toro is a quality contributor and well respectedKaiser Toro is a quality contributor and well respectedKaiser Toro is a quality contributor and well respectedKaiser Toro is a quality contributor and well respectedKaiser Toro is a quality contributor and well respectedKaiser Toro is a quality contributor and well respectedKaiser Toro is a quality contributor and well respectedKaiser Toro is a quality contributor and well respectedKaiser Toro is a quality contributor and well respectedKaiser Toro is a quality contributor and well respected
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by rockabilly
There is early speculation that Mike Martz(St. Louis Rams) is on his way out. He can be a viable canidate for the job. Perfect timing in order to start building. I dont know if I personally would want Martz...cause i hate the rams...but he isnt a bad coach. Plus he is offensive minded.
I called for Martz about a month ago for our new OC next year and Jerry Gray as HC. Like the fact that this is getting some play as it could be a boon for DC.

Great thread Powda.
__________________
Smell the glove is here
Kaiser Toro is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 10-28-2005   #15
eriadoc
Texan-American
 
eriadoc's Avatar
 
Join Date: Aug 2004
Posts: 18,644
Rep Power: 295319 eriadoc is a quality contributor and well respectederiadoc is a quality contributor and well respectederiadoc is a quality contributor and well respectederiadoc is a quality contributor and well respectederiadoc is a quality contributor and well respectederiadoc is a quality contributor and well respectederiadoc is a quality contributor and well respectederiadoc is a quality contributor and well respectederiadoc is a quality contributor and well respectederiadoc is a quality contributor and well respectederiadoc is a quality contributor and well respected
Send a message via ICQ to eriadoc Send a message via Yahoo to eriadoc
Default

Martz' system requires that the QB hang onto the ball a bit longer in order to let the deeper routes develop. Bulger has taken a bit of a beating in their offense and that has been one of the major points of contention with Martz. I am not sure that style will mesh with our problems or not.
eriadoc is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 10-28-2005   #16
Kaiser Toro
Native Mod
 
Kaiser Toro's Avatar
 
Join Date: Sep 2004
Location: Straight Outta Austin
Age: 44
Posts: 16,085
Rep Power: 54156 Kaiser Toro is a quality contributor and well respectedKaiser Toro is a quality contributor and well respectedKaiser Toro is a quality contributor and well respectedKaiser Toro is a quality contributor and well respectedKaiser Toro is a quality contributor and well respectedKaiser Toro is a quality contributor and well respectedKaiser Toro is a quality contributor and well respectedKaiser Toro is a quality contributor and well respectedKaiser Toro is a quality contributor and well respectedKaiser Toro is a quality contributor and well respectedKaiser Toro is a quality contributor and well respected
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by eriadoc
Martz' system requires that the QB hang onto the ball a bit longer in order to let the deeper routes develop. Bulger has taken a bit of a beating in their offense and that has been one of the major points of contention with Martz. I am not sure that style will mesh with our problems or not.
Good point, but I am coming into the thought that a regime change will bring out a new attitude and finally extract somehting out of the talent that has yet to be tapped.

Football is a game and even though these guys are professionals it is about enjoying yourself. Martz may be arrogant, but you know his Offense is having fun out there.
__________________
Smell the glove is here
Kaiser Toro is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 10-28-2005   #17
rmartin65
I'm Score
 
rmartin65's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jul 2005
Age: 24
Posts: 7,980
Rep Power: 64727 rmartin65 is a quality contributor and well respectedrmartin65 is a quality contributor and well respectedrmartin65 is a quality contributor and well respectedrmartin65 is a quality contributor and well respectedrmartin65 is a quality contributor and well respectedrmartin65 is a quality contributor and well respectedrmartin65 is a quality contributor and well respectedrmartin65 is a quality contributor and well respectedrmartin65 is a quality contributor and well respectedrmartin65 is a quality contributor and well respectedrmartin65 is a quality contributor and well respected
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by Kaiser Toro
Football is a game and even though these guys are professionals it is about enjoying yourself. Martz may be arrogant, but you know his Offense is having fun out there.
And the offense is fun to watch.
rmartin65 is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 10-29-2005   #18
Davis37
All Pro
 
Join Date: Mar 2005
Age: 31
Posts: 507
Rep Power: 10 Davis37 is ridin' the pine
Default

great post Powda. I wouldnt mind seeing Mike Martz as our new coach, as long as someone else calls the challenges and timeouts lol. I think he could make our offense good enough to compete with the high scoring teams in the league. Most of all our offense would actually be FUN to watch for once. Im about tired of Caper's run run run punt scheme...
__________________
"This team is being run by a bunch of monkeys" ~Vinny
Davis37 is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 10-29-2005   #19
utahmark
markbeth
 
utahmark's Avatar
 
Join Date: Aug 2004
Location: utah
Age: 44
Posts: 2,002
Rep Power: 11734 utahmark is a quality contributor and well respectedutahmark is a quality contributor and well respectedutahmark is a quality contributor and well respectedutahmark is a quality contributor and well respectedutahmark is a quality contributor and well respectedutahmark is a quality contributor and well respectedutahmark is a quality contributor and well respectedutahmark is a quality contributor and well respectedutahmark is a quality contributor and well respectedutahmark is a quality contributor and well respectedutahmark is a quality contributor and well respected
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by Davis37
great post Powda. I wouldnt mind seeing Mike Martz as our new coach, as long as someone else calls the challenges and timeouts lol. I think he could make our offense good enough to compete with the high scoring teams in the league. Most of all our offense would actually be FUN to watch for once. Im about tired of Caper's run run run punt scheme...
if hes another coach who cant make an in-game decession then i dont want him.
utahmark is offline   Reply With Quote
Reply

Go Back   Houston Texans Message Board & Forum - TexansTalk.com > The Great Fans of the Houston Texans > Texans Talk
Home Forums Register FAQ Members List Calendar Mark Forums Read


Currently Active Users Viewing This Thread: 1 (0 members and 1 guests)
 
Thread Tools
Display Modes

Posting Rules
You may not post new threads
You may not post replies
You may not post attachments
You may not edit your posts

BB code is On
Smilies are On
[IMG] code is On
HTML code is Off
Forum Jump


All times are GMT -5. The time now is 05:48 PM.


Powered by vBulletin® Version 3.7.2
Copyright ©2000 - 2014, Jelsoft Enterprises Ltd.
Ad Management by RedTyger