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Texizgreat · 10-26-2005

From Fox.......

Blame game names Casserly and Capers
Houston Chronicle
Chronicle columnist John McClain says Houston GM Charley Casserly and coach Dom Capers could both walk the plank if they fail to right the Texans' ship soon.

http://msn.foxsports.com/name/FS/rumors

the only thing they dont say is WHEN !!!!

CowboysTexansFan · 10-26-2005

I was very happy to read that column this morning. I think it's a foregoing conclusion that the coaches won't be around this year, but it's equally important that Casserly is gone as well. I don't trust him with our draft picks, especially the one that could be first overall. And I don't trust him to pick the right free agents to sign.

He doesn't need to be forced to walk the plank, he needs to be thrown overboard.

Marcus · 10-27-2005

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Originally Posted by Texizgreat

. . . the only thing they dont say is WHEN !!!!

If you're expecting it to happen before the season ends . . . . DON'T !!!!

Texans Horror · 10-27-2005

"And then there's a defense that couldn't stop a run in a pair of pantyhose."

Nice.

**Double Barrel** · 10-27-2005

Obviously, I agree with JM about Coach Capers, but I'm up in the air about Casserly.

Even though I'm in the Fire Capers Club, I hope they wait until the season is over before letting him go.

Funny quote about the pantyhose!

**Wharton** · 10-27-2005

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Originally Posted by Marcus

If you're expecting it to happen before the season ends . . . . DON'T !!!!

I don't expect either men to go before the end of the year, but I would prefer to have a new GM in place now due to the timing of the Carr contract. If a new GM comes into the Texans, he may get stuck with a hefty contract for a beat down quarterback.

I think David came into the league with allot of potential that has steadily been beat out of him. I am not sure if he will ever be able to stand in the pocket and deliver a clean pass. I definitely think the new GM should be responsible for the decision on David contract since this decision will effect his tenure. If Charlie makes the decision to exercise the option, it could hamper the next GM for more then the terms of the contract.

Coach C. · 10-27-2005

Carr is worth the option and I am glad that McNair is smarter than most of the people on this board and makes this move.

Now McNair must not let me down and keep up his search for a new GM and HC.

**eriadoc** · 10-27-2005

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Originally Posted by Coach C.

Carr is worth the option and I am glad that McNair is smarter than most of the people on this board and makes this move.

Now McNair must not let me down and keep up his search for a new GM and HC.

It's not been clearly demonstrated that Carr is a bust or that he does not have a future with this franchise. I think it has been clearly demonstrated that his performance to this point, for a variety of reasons, should not warrant a $5.5 mil or $8 mil extension. Unfortunately, I am not sure the Texans have many options, short of cutting ties with him altogether.

bckey · 10-27-2005

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Originally Posted by Coach C.

Carr is worth the option and I am glad that McNair is smarter than most of the people on this board and makes this move.

Now McNair must not let me down and keep up his search for a new GM and HC.

I'm sure glad we have you Coach C to set everyone straight. How did we ever get along without you.

nunusguy · 10-27-2005

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Originally Posted by Coach C.

Carr is worth the option and I am glad that McNair is smarter than most of the people on this board and makes this move.

OK Coach, make your case. Tell me why we should pay Carr and keep him instead of dealing him for the top draft pick we can get in next years Draft ?

**infantrycak** · 10-27-2005

What is the full hypothetical nunu? I mean it really matters if the top draft pick the Texans can get is a 6th vs. a 1st.

Salibu · 10-27-2005

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nunusguy · 10-27-2005

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Originally Posted by infantrycak

What is the full hypothetical nunu? I mean it really matters if the top draft pick the Texans can get is a 6th vs. a 1st.

Sorry, but I don't understand what you're asking ? What I was asking Coach was to give me his reason(s) for picking up Carr's option and keeping him instead of trading him for the most value we can get in the form of Draft
pick(s) in next years college draft. FWIW, I'm unsure of whats in the best interests of the Texans on this matter.

J-Man · 10-27-2005

I think that best case we could get a mid-2nd rounder from a team that is hurting for a QB. Most likely it would be something like a 3rd w/ a player and some a late round pick or two.

Just my guess.

dalemurphy · 10-27-2005

I don't know whether Carr will ever become a good starting QB at this point. However, I desperately want to see him extended. The last thing this team needs is to spend the first pick on another QB when it could be parlayed into 5-6 first day picks. Until we have a philosophical change on offense and a better group protecting the QB, a new QB won't make any difference.

Trading the Leinert pick would give us ammunition to get an elite LT out of the draft and also draft 2 interior lineman in addition to spending 3 first day picks on defense or perhaps even a TE. At this point, I'm routing for the losing streak to continue!

J-Man · 10-27-2005

BTW...I thought it was already a done deal that Carr's option was picked up. It was reported on ESPN and discussed here in the boards a week or so ago, was this a reporting error?
Or is this just our standard "monday morning QBing" ?

**infantrycak** · 10-27-2005

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Originally Posted by nunusguy

Sorry, but I don't understand what you're asking ? What I was asking Coach was to give me his reason(s) for picking up Carr's option and keeping him instead of trading him for the most value we can get in the form of Draft
pick(s) in next years college draft. FWIW, I'm unsure of whats in the best interests of the Texans on this matter.

I just don't see how that decision can be made unless you have zero faith in Carr and want to trade him for literally anything. IMO there is a huge difference between the decision to trade him for a 1st vs. trade him for a 7th.

Realistically though, this whole hypothetical doesn't work. Carr is a free agent after this season unless the option is exercised prior to the last game of the season. If they exercise the option they will be keeping him. If they don't, they can't ask for anything in trade because they don't have any rights in him.

HomeBred_Texan · 10-27-2005

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Originally Posted by oso

"And then there's a defense that couldn't stop a run in a pair of pantyhose."

Nice.

No defense could stop the oppenent when they are on the field for 45 minutes of a 60 minute game.

humbleone · 10-27-2005

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Originally Posted by HomeBred_Texan

No defense could stop the oppenent when they are on the field for 45 minutes of a 60 minute game.

That works as an excuse for why you wouldn't be able to stop a drive late in the 4th Q...it has nothing to do with why we can't get the defense off of the field in Q1-3.

nunusguy · 10-27-2005

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Originally Posted by infantrycak

I just don't see how that decision can be made unless you have zero faith in Carr and want to trade him for literally anything. IMO there is a huge difference between the decision to trade him for a 1st vs. trade him for a 7th.
Realistically though, this whole hypothetical doesn't work. Carr is a free agent after this season unless the option is exercised prior to the last game of the season. If they exercise the option they will be keeping him. If they don't, they can't ask for anything in trade because they don't have any rights in him.

OK, got ya. I think Carr would be a valuable commodity on the "open market" and might very well be worth a first round pick to certain other teams. He has
talent and experience as a starter and is still a youthful NFL player. I suppose its a question of the condition of his psyche at this point. Now I was under
the impression the Texans could negotiate the option rights they hold to another team that would assume those option rights which would of course include paying Carr his bonus ? You seem to be saying
we can't negotiate our option with Carr with a third party ? If that's the case, couldn't we just exercise our option and then trade to another team
at that point, assuming we had somebody waiting in the wings ?

10-26-2005	#1
Texizgreat Veteran Join Date: Jul 2004 Location: San Antonio Age: 38 Posts: 255 Rep Power: 9	Blame game names Casserly and Capers From Fox....... Blame game names Casserly and Capers Houston Chronicle Chronicle columnist John McClain says Houston GM Charley Casserly and coach Dom Capers could both walk the plank if they fail to right the Texans' ship soon. http://msn.foxsports.com/name/FS/rumors the only thing they dont say is WHEN !!!!

10-27-2005	#5
Double Barrel Moderator Join Date: Oct 2004 Section: Gridiron, Texas Age: 46 Posts: 27,106 Rep Power: 82704	Obviously, I agree with JM about Coach Capers, but I'm up in the air about Casserly. Even though I'm in the Fire Capers Club, I hope they wait until the season is over before letting him go. Funny quote about the pantyhose! __________________ "FOOTBALL IS ONLY A DIVERSION." ~ HOUSTON TEXANS In Memoriam - 20 little angels

10-27-2005	#11
infantrycak Lead Moderator Join Date: Apr 2004 Location: Houston, TX Age: 45 Posts: 37,484 Rep Power: 76601	What is the full hypothetical nunu? I mean it really matters if the top draft pick the Texans can get is a 6th vs. a 1st. __________________ The Art of War

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Salibu Rookie Join Date: Oct 2005 Age: 31 Posts: 4 Rep Power: 0	... ...

10-27-2005	#14
J-Man Veteran Join Date: May 2004 Location: Ft Hood, Tx Age: 37 Posts: 402 Rep Power: 10	I think that best case we could get a mid-2nd rounder from a team that is hurting for a QB. Most likely it would be something like a 3rd w/ a player and some a late round pick or two. Just my guess. __________________ Who's the Man?... J-Man, that's WHO! Eat 'em Up, KATS!

10-26-2005	#2
CowboysTexansFan Veteran Join Date: Mar 2005 Age: 46 Posts: 311 Rep Power: 9	I was very happy to read that column this morning. I think it's a foregoing conclusion that the coaches won't be around this year, but it's equally important that Casserly is gone as well. I don't trust him with our draft picks, especially the one that could be first overall. And I don't trust him to pick the right free agents to sign. He doesn't need to be forced to walk the plank, he needs to be thrown overboard.

10-27-2005	#4
Texans Horror Hall of Fame Join Date: Sep 2005 Age: 39 Posts: 2,303 Rep Power: 24	"And then there's a defense that couldn't stop a run in a pair of pantyhose." Nice.

10-27-2005	#7
Coach C. Hall of Fame Join Date: Sep 2005 Location: SE Houston Posts: 1,422 Rep Power: 10	Carr is worth the option and I am glad that McNair is smarter than most of the people on this board and makes this move. Now McNair must not let me down and keep up his search for a new GM and HC.

10-27-2005	#15
dalemurphy Hall of Fame Join Date: May 2004 Location: Austin Section: Bullpen/ 636 Age: 39 Posts: 5,165 Rep Power: 10996	I don't know whether Carr will ever become a good starting QB at this point. However, I desperately want to see him extended. The last thing this team needs is to spend the first pick on another QB when it could be parlayed into 5-6 first day picks. Until we have a philosophical change on offense and a better group protecting the QB, a new QB won't make any difference. Trading the Leinert pick would give us ammunition to get an elite LT out of the draft and also draft 2 interior lineman in addition to spending 3 first day picks on defense or perhaps even a TE. At this point, I'm routing for the losing streak to continue!

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