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Old 10-23-2005   #1
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Okay, Im tired of reading and posting about DC's ability too make plays or not to make plays. I just think that the Carr hater and Carr backers should come to a truce not to talk about Carr until we get AJ back and the o-line starts to protect, or until next season when we make some much needed upgrades to the offense such as a real OL, a TE, and maybe another WR.
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or maybe just try watching the game tape with an entirely objective attitude. you might be surprised what ya find...
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The QB touches the ball on every play...he's just going to be talked about....its the most important position and he is our most important draft pick as he gets paid 60 million dollars....like it or not he gets the most interest...good and bad. I thought he was just awful today.
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tuesday vinny.
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Spin it away...but he was awful. He killed the one drive when he throws a routine pass ten yards in front of Gaffney...he threw the ball away on the two point conversion. He sacked himself on the first drive while Breunner was wide open....my gosh....he was awful.
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When he gets protection he is awful. The Gaffney pass in the dirt killing a drive...the locking on to Bradford throwing an easy INT as you see everybody flowing to the spot Carr is about to throw to...the 2 point conversion thrown in the stands....geesh
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He's trigger happy. If we even ATTEMPT to shore up the line next year, perhaps he will gain some confidence back in his teammates and he wont need to overthink/overdo on every play.
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The problem with paying a guy 60 million dollars is he needs to be productive. How long do we wait to see if he ever gets it? He keeps us from signing other good players due to him crowding a large part of the salary cap. He has more starts than Bulger, Pennington and Brees...We can't wait another 50 starts for him to come up to speed.
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The problem with paying a guy 60 million dollars is he needs to be productive. How long do we wait to see if he ever gets it? He keeps us from signing other good players due to him crowding a large part of the salary cap. He has more starts than Bulger, Pennington and Brees...We can't wait another 50 starts for him to come up to speed.
Football's a team game though. He does need to be productive, but he also needs some productive teammates in the process. When you sign the #1 pick, you are signing on potential, not what they have done like big money free agents. A #1 pick cant reach his potential when you dont let him use that potential in the playcalling and the execution of plays. I do think this year has been a regression from last year, but the guy has been KNOCKED around from the gate. He's a deer in the headlights.
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i Agree 3 1/2 years of a wasted pick so far is not enough to prove that david is not the greatest ever i think we should rework his contract and give him peyton manning money he deserves it. i mean so what if he cant read a defense so what if he audibles a 2-20 in to a run so what if the only people he can hit in the numbers are opposing Db's its not davids fault its the o-line's fault .
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He was pretty bad this past Sunday.

The commentators showed replays, and he had at least 80% of his pass plays with a clear pocket and a clear throwing lane established by the line.

And he tosses a 3rd down pass to Gaffney into the dirt. Forget the accuracy of the throw...did you see it wobbling and with no zip on it? Yikes.

He's a bust. Period.

Hanging onto Carr was the last shred of hope Texans fans had of thinking that maybe its just the o line's fault and we can get a new o line and we'll be good to go.

IMO, we need a new o line and a new QB. Carr looks like a QB: The good hair, the good looks, shining smile and great personality and character...but so does Capers (well...minus the good hair and great personality) and look where it's taken us.

I see a guy like Ragone go overseas and work his rear off week in and week out, put up consistent numbers against albeit average talent...but the guy just seemingly plays with more passion on every down than Carr.

If the Texans have kept Ragone this long, I'd like to think they see something that the Carr lovers don't. Shoot, give him a try
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I think everyone can agree, Carr is not playing well, whether due to poor play-calling, poor pass protection, or just poor performance on his part. I think the guy needs a break and part of that break is not playing for awhile. His confidence is shot and even he admits it. Whether you want to say I'm taking quotes out of context or not, he has said it's easy to start thinking "hear it goes again" and that he has to be thinking he only has 2 seconds to throw the ball even when he has more time. John McClain, in the Chronicle says it's not all Carr's fault but then says he is shell-shocked and Payton Manning would be too. I think he needs to be pulled for his own protection before the damage becomes permanent. Maybe after we lose to the Browns, it will be easier for the coaches to do because the season will be over at that point. With our starting QB only being able to muster 6 net yards passing for a game, we have to have a change; whether it's Carr's fault or not. Will Ragone be better? We won't know until we give him a shot but you can't get much worse than 6 yards for an entire game.
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:brickwall It seems that the Texans will try everything to fix the offense but one thing . Its like your TV goes out and you check everything but the plug cause you assume its plugged in . After hours of wasted time your wife calls the TV repair guy and he charges 100 $ to plug it in .
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The problem with watching your Tivo and trying to make rational determinations from it is you can't see what's going on downfield. I sit in section 323, right between the goal posts. I watch all the plays develop and see what's going on downfield. Usually I focus on the receivers for the play, then watch the backfield on the jumboptron replay. There were no open receivers for the majority of the game. There was one play where Carr was sacked in which he pumped and had to pull it back because his lane closed off. There was someone open on that play. It's easier for me to point out the plays where a receiver was open than the other way around.

Everyone on here will point to the play where he missed Gaffney in the flat or the 2-pt conversion. That's two plays. I can point to many more plays where no one was open, people missed assignments, etc. That's not to say Carr played well - he didn't. And he makes some stupid mistakes that frustrate the heck out of me. I find it funny, however, when Carr breaks free from a defender's grasp on a roll-out and scrambles for a first down and the crowd cheers like mad. Then later, the EXACT same play, Carr gets sacked trying to do the same thing and people want to hang him. Look folks, you can't have it both ways. Carr is at least trying to make something happen, even if it's on his own two legs. He should give up on those plays, but then you'd all be complaining about that.

Right now, teams can pick their poison in how to beat us - blitz and kill our porous O-line, or send 4 and drop 7. No receivers can get open and the line still can't protect Carr that long. Remember the Pitt game, when Roethlisberger shuffled around in the backfield for a good 8 seconds before launching one downfield to Ced Wilson? Same thing with McNair ona few plays in the Titans game. Carr never has that luxury. Even if the other team only sends 4, they'll get to him fairly quickly. If they blitz, there's no chance. It's just that on the plays where they send four, people on here start saying "Carr had enough time to throw!!" ... basic math - 7 in the secondary vs. our 3 (maybe 4) receivers.
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Players get discussed...especially the ones who touch the ball every snap. I kinda expect a NFL QB to make a few plays....actually more than a few. People have no problem bashing the big ugly guys...but talk poorly about the pretty boy and the fans fall apart. If Carr was some ugly mule-faced 5th round pick people would be running him out of town by now based on his play.
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until we get a coaching staff that will take this team by the throat and make them play collectively up to their potential and penalize each and every one of them for UNDERACHEIVING then we will continue to see sub-par performances on Sundays. Quit making excuses these guys are all in the NFL and need to start playing like they have a SET. This coaching staff can't seem to get anything on a winning trac and I say its TIME FOR A CHANGE.........NOW
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Carr needs to sit for his own good. He's just not a good mix with our O-Line. We need to see if someone elses pocket presence will make a difference. Eluding the passrush ala Ben Roethlisberger is taking subtle steps to one side or the other and keeping your eye downfield.

If Carr doesn't sit then Bradford needs to sit. He's a speedster and obviously the routes he's best at running are not going to work. Armstrong needs to start a game or two.
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Why does everyone always bring up Carr's looks? The dude ain't that good looking.
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Nice. A football message board that is being requested to refrain from talking about the QB. Whatever.

For whatever reason(s), DC looked horrible on Sunday. He hasn't really looked good for any length of time (ie. entire game) this season.

The debate about his talent (or lack thereof) vs. his shell-shocked state-of-mind can rage on...

But the fact of the matter is that he's not playing very well.

And there is one way to find out: Start Tony Banks for a game. Not to disrespect Carr, but let's just see how the team responds to another QB, and let's see how another QB can deal with this team.

If TB is sacked 7 times a game, and the results are the same as DC, then we know for certain.

But what if Banks wins a game? And/or has a great game?

What do we have to lose? Another game?
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I would like to believe that Carr is worth every penny. I would like to believe that he has turned in some good performances over the last 3.5 years, but there are not many. At the same time I see so many of his cohorts willing their team to wins and show improvement almost weekly.

When I turn on the TV or get in my seat I do not day dream of what DC may bring to the table. I think of an big play by Dunta, a return by Mathis or a 100 yeard game by DD. Carr does not get the fan in me excited.

As for last week, I think he did a great job of handing the ball off to DD. 3.5 years and X millions of dollars later and all I can find good about this guy is that he can hand off and roll out to his right.

Forget cutting the hair, cut a new contract.
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