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Old 10-23-2005   #1
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Default Ferguson in the 1st, Trade up for Mcneil in the late 1st

To me this looks like our best option, this would give us two Bookend tackles to protect David and have at our disposal for years to come we can release Wiegert & Mckinney, move Wade to RG and Pitts to LG. Hodgkin(Sp?) at center and I think that would be a much better offensive line. Oh, Ferguson at OLT and Mcneil at ORT. Thoughts???
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we're going to have the first pick in the second rd to. in a year where lots of tackles are projected in the first rd someone could very easily slip...

i think the scnerio you suggest mirrors the babin deal...we give up extra picks for 1 player who may be a bust. people complain about cassely for that deal and yet i see suggestions for the same thing all the time in upcomming drafts...go figure.

anywho, this franchise dosent need to give up anymore picks...if anything we should be looking for a trade back scenerio with the first pick (3-5 spots). we have a LOT of holes to fill ,and we've squandered far to many picks as is...
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I dont think that trading up is necessary. If houston wants to go that route, it would actaully be a good draft just to wait until the second. I personally think that there will ba alot of teams waiting on Leinart,we trade down and still get Ferguson in the first, pick up an extra second, and pick another OL in the second and hopefully Pope is still there too.

I think this draft is to deep at OT to trade up for one in the 2nd we would still have Trueblood or Withworth to choose from.
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Yeah there gonna be alot of teams that want lienart to bad he belongs to us hell well give them Broken Down Carr im sure we could get a couple 1st rounders for him or at least a 6th rounder for him.
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Yeah there gonna be alot of teams that want lienart to bad he belongs to us hell well give them Broken Down Carr im sure we could get a couple 1st rounders for him or at least a 6th rounder for him.
Haha thats realy funny.Carr, first rounders, sixth rounder, Lienart. They would be *****s to take Lienart in the first round. I would literaly laugh my ***** off at how dumb our front office is.
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Haha thats realy funny.Carr, first rounders, sixth rounder, Lienart. They would be *****s to take Lienart in the first round. I would literaly laugh my ***** off at how dumb our front office is.


So we would get more from and undrafted player Why? other than carr why is that? mr.GM
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Trade down and draft Eric Winston and Daryn Colledge

I am guessing we could get at least a second rounder for our number one
My preference would be trade down once to 5-7 then trade again 12-14
maybe end up with an extra 2 and two 3s

1 OT Eric Winston Miami
2 OT Daryn Colledge Boise State
2 OLB Garrett McIntyre Fresno State
3 TE Jeff King Virginia Tech
3 DE Kyle Williams Louisiana State
3 WR Mike Hass Oregon State
3 FB Brian Leonard Rutgers

4 OG Matt Lentz Michigan
5 RB Taurean Henderson Texas Tech
6 OC Pat Ross Boston College
7 LB John Syptak Rice
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So we would get more from and undrafted player Why? other than carr why is that? mr.GM
You explain to me why we should draft another QB to get killed behind our oline. Why not fix the biggest problem first.
Were did undrafted player come from.
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undrafted player meaning Leinart i mean if david is so good we should have teams throwing there first round draft choice for him.
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Trade down and draft Eric Winston and Daryn Colledge

I am guessing we could get at least a second rounder for our number one
My preference would be trade down once to 5-7 then trade again 12-14
maybe end up with an extra 2 and two 3s

1 OT Eric Winston Miami
2 OT Daryn Colledge Boise State
2 OLB Garrett McIntyre Fresno State
3 TE Jeff King Virginia Tech
3 DE Kyle Williams Louisiana State
3 WR Mike Hass Oregon State
3 FB Brian Leonard Rutgers

4 OG Matt Lentz Michigan
5 RB Taurean Henderson Texas Tech
6 OC Pat Ross Boston College
7 LB John Syptak Rice
There will be better TEs than Jeff King in the third.
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Our first should be traded up for two picks and we take home grown J.scott and
mecedes lewis, a te could serve us good as a blocker and reciever- two birds w/
one stone. With the first second take a linebacker that fell out the first, and try to get at least a late second for p-burnt(if we trade him to a desperate team, I bet the ravens would want him for thier nickle) The late or mid second will give us a shot at a good right tackle or we can take a center to convert him to right guard. In the third we can hopefully take a decent de or nt, and with the other third we can hopefully get a hidden gem safety. If Huff or Bing fall to the second we should trade this pick and pursue them by throwing in nexts years third or fourth. On day two we shold aim for best player available with the fourth, no matter what the position, a fifth should go to the best returner available. The sixth should be the best lineman available(the falcon's line are all late picks. And finally the seventh should be a quarterback, someone from around the area. If the organization wants to win the fans back, give us a team of homegrown talent, like the pats are so good at.
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Mercedes Lewis cant block, but he would be a great pass receiving TE. Kinda Like KII when he came out just not as good. I would rather have Pope, he reminds me more of a Jeremy Shockey or Jason Witten who can block well and receive.
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undrafted player meaning Leinart i mean if david is so good we should have teams throwing there first round draft choice for him.
I agree.
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There is a huge salary jump going from the 1st pick in the 2nd round to late in the 1st round. It really isn't worth it unless you move up 10+ picks.

Also, lets say that San Fran, Houston, and Cleveland all ended up 2-14. Lets say the draft or ended up

1 San Fran.
2 Houston
3 Cleveland

In the second round, the order changes because San Fran moves to the end of the list of 2-14 teams.

2nd
1. Houston
2. Cleveland
3. San Fran.

3rd round
1. Cleveland
2. San Fran.
3. Houston

4th round
1 San Fran.
2 Houston
3 Cleveland
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you get the idea.
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There's always less trading than we predict and most the trading goes on in the late first or the last picks in each round.
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ogre we play both of those teams this year. the draft order wont require slotting because there will be a tie breaker even if we all 3 finish with the same record...

someone correct me if im mistaken please.
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You are correct.

I like Winston, Ferguson or Bush in the first round. I know alot of you feel we do not need bush because we have DD, but Bush would be a talented WR for us if he is as fast as advertised. Bush would be a bigger Steve Smith type of reciever. Winston and Ferguson are a push you can pick either and they both will be good guys, even though I think Winston is the better player. He has been better over a longer period of time, plus he is stronger and able to keep his weight up.

In the second and third rounds we should look for more OL help. Hopefully we will be smart enough to take a good LT or RT and move him to G. In the third we should look for Defensive help and possibly a TE depending on FA.
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Winston and Ferguson are a push you can pick either and they both will be good guys, even though I think Winston is the better player. He has been better over a longer period of time, plus he is stronger and able to keep his weight up.
Have you seen Winston play at all this year? He has been terrible...He consistently gets beat despite having TE help...He is not the same player that he was pre-injury...Maybe by the end of the season he'll regain his old form, but if he continues to play this way, there is no way I'd invest a first round pick on him...If you guys are so set on taking two OTs with our first two picks, why don't we just get Ferguson with our first and either Whitworth or Colledge with our second?
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ogre we play both of those teams this year. the draft order wont require slotting because there will be a tie breaker even if we all 3 finish with the same record...

someone correct me if im mistaken please.
then in according to the tie breakers the teams flip draft slots in the latter rounds just the same makes no difference.
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