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Old 10-23-2005   #1
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i was watching the fox pregame show and they had the segment called quick hits. jim brown asked jimmy johnson why the team is so bad and dont have many playmakers. jimmy johnson said it is because of casserly and he has made alot of questionable personnel moves. what do you think you think he'll be here next year?
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i was watching the fox pregame show and they had the segment called quick hits. jim brown asked jimmy johnson why the team is so bad and dont have many playmakers. jimmy johnson said it is because of casserly and he has made alot of questionable personnel moves. what do you think you think he'll be here next year?
If Casserly is making the moves on his own then I agree with you. However, I feel the choices that are being made are being done so because Capers and his coaching staff have told him who they want based on Capers assessment of what they want and need. Casserly is not the kind of guy to say here is what you get. On the other hand Capers doesn't seem to develop the talent he is given. I really honestly believe its very hard to evaluate anybody's performance based on what this coaching staff does.
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I see a GM for the most part getting players that Capers wants.

Yes, Casserly provides input. But the SYSTEM is Capers' and so Casserly is probably attempting to get Capers what Capers feels is needed for the SYSTEM.

Think about it: If you were the GM of an NFL team....would you hog all the drafting and trading decisions? If you do, you'l be the primary scapegoat if things go wrong and you'll be history within 2-3 years.

However, if you (as the GM) "allow" the HC to get almost everything the HC wants...and things go wrong...who can you as a GM blame? The HC.

"Hey, this was his system, not mine..."

"Hey, Capers wanted these guys to be in his system..."

"Hey, what am I supposed to do? Tie Capers' hands behind his back and tell capers who he can and can't have?"

GM's have input, but I would think that most of them work with the scouting teams and then they try and accomodate what the HC says he needs for his system/philosophy...more or less.

Coaches don't just coach what they have on the field...they also have a big hand in recruiting players they want to see on the field next season.
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i was watching the fox pregame show and they had the segment called quick hits. jim brown asked jimmy johnson why the team is so bad and dont have many playmakers. jimmy johnson said it is because of casserly and he has made alot of questionable personnel moves. what do you think you think he'll be here next year?
I agree with Jimmy alot - Those whom just blame Capers I think are not looking at the big picture enough. The bottom line is Capers is Casserley's coach and is ultimately the one responsible for making the deals - the salaries and putting us into the position were in cap wise. His coaches give input along with the scouts for sure - but its Casserlys job to say yay or nay based on his own objective experience.

To use a real world example - if you get food made wrong at a restaurant - is it the waiters fault for serving it to you? The cook's fault for not cooking it right? or the Manager's responsabilty to make sure those jobs are done to the level they need to be for every customer?

My answer is there all responsible for sure - but the guy at the top is ultimately responsible for making sure people are doing there jobs -

IMO Obviously they are all failing at there respective jobs right now - That goes from top to bottom- The FO - staff and some players.

IMO A few bad players dont make a bad team - a few bad coaches dont do it either - but If the guy whos in charge of all of them is taking a hands off approach to managing all those people and is not making sure peopel are doing the jobs he HIRED them to do - Just liek the coaches have to do with the players - It's their job to Fire/bench them and bring somebody in who does what they are supposed to do. What Casserley has done thus far is just put his spin doctor hat on and and spew rhetoric.

It's like that famous quote - "Insanity: doing the same thing over and over again and expecting different results."
-Albert Einstein-

Its not Dom's job to work the phones and find better players for this team and sign them - Thats Cass's job and hes failed it multiple times. If i'm McNair i'm looking for a whole new staff to be honest from top to bottom as the guy he hired - Cass - didnt even address the #1 issue he told them "Specifically and directly" to do and address last year He didnt Mince words he said "FIX -THE O_LINE" They did basically nothing for that in the Off-season and drafted one Line player - Whats really bad is that it took the Owner himself to tell the staff to fix the most glaring problem on the team that everyone in the league said they needed to fix from year One - yet they seemingly ignored him and went with the same "Patch" approach they have taken since after the first year.
- To me thats just insubordinate and mismanagement at it's best and flat out ignorance at its worst. He's failed to do what he was contractualy hired to do, didnt listen to his Owner and should be fired accordingly.

Bottom line Casserly's just as responsible for the product on the field as the coaches and players are and needs to man up and accept that responabilty and not try to "Pass the buck" and save his job. IF it turns out that he starts blaming Dom and the staff for all these problems and shucks all the responabilty off as being there fault - that right there would tell me all I would need to know about him as a man and a manager and that he needs to be fired just as much as they do. He can point fingers all day - but at the end of the day the "Texans" organization is seen as a joke and a failure from top to bottom by a majority of the league and Casserly IMO is my #1 target for why with Dom being a close #2.
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Is Casserly the one who didn't throw a challenge flag when Reggie Wayne was CLEARLY on the sideline chalk for a big pass play?

Capers has the nerve to chew the ref but NOT pull the flag.

Reggie's foot was out of bounds BEFORE the pass got to him, and so it was easily a penalty for going out of bounds and then coming back in bounds and being the first guy to touch the ball.

But no, Capers just rants and slaps his little notebook instead of throwing the flag. Nice "execution," Capers.

The thing about people wanting to place the majority of blame on Casserly, at the expense of pardoning Capers, is that they are wanting to be smarter than everybody else in the room...to appear that they have the secret ingredient and they're clearly more knowledgeable than the rest of us.

This whole coaching staff is dysfunctional, from the top to the bottom.
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i was watching the fox pregame show and they had the segment called quick hits. jim brown asked jimmy johnson why the team is so bad and dont have many playmakers. jimmy johnson said it is because of casserly and he has made alot of questionable personnel moves. what do you think you think he'll be here next year?
Casserly will be -- Johnson won't.
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And by the way...

Jimmy Johnson was a HC who had talent as primarily an eye for talent. His coordinators (Norv Turner and Dave Wannstedt) made him look like a genius. They left the scouting/drafting to JJ and then JJ left the game plan and playcalling to his coordinators. Look at Norv and Dave's HC experiences: Failures. Clear case of two guys being great coordinators but lousy HC's.

An HC is a visionary leader who sees what's over the horizon. So, no wonder that Jimmy Johnson looks at the Texans situation and says what he says: He was basically the HC AND the GM all wrapped up together. The Herschel Walker trade, which the NFL was smart enough to ban or prevent from ever happening again, helped JJ maximize his talent as a great eye for talent. Look at what happened when Jerry Jones lost Jimy Johnson. Jerruh thought he could do as well as Jimmy in the area of drafting. The Tuna comes in, and rights the ship because (drum roll please) the Tuna can spot talent.

This HC (Capers) is a poor visionary, as displayed by his post-game comments which are as stale and bland as his ability to lead a team on and off the field.

Casserly's biggest fault is that he has been giving Capers what Capers wants.
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Who's idea do you think it was to draft a nose tackle instead of bringing in that kid everyone wanted from Texas, a LB I think. It was Capers...
He told Casserly who he wanted and why and they got him for him and an extra draft pick in next years draft. If we were running the 4/3 defense, no coach in the world would have gone this direction, or GM. JMHO...
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I'm glad Johnson made those comments. And I still can't believe people here believe Casserly deserves to keep his job.

Casserly deserves to be fired every bit as much as Capers. The sooner, the better.
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I don't think Jimmy wants to coach again. Nor should he. He makes millions doing a little hour show weekly and he can get a good tan the rest of the time. Why go back to the grind of coaching? Unless he's a glutton for punishment. He's been successful at coaching and now it's gravy time. He's got the cushy job we all wish we had.
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I don't think Jimmy wants to coach again. Nor should he. He makes millions doing a little hour show weekly and he can get a good tan the rest of the time. Why go back to the grind of coaching? Unless he's a glutton for punishment. He's been successful at coaching and now it's gravy time. He's got the cushy job we all wish we had.
Some of them just have it in their blood. To them it's not a grind at all and I bet that the urge to coach again eventually catches Johnson if and when the right situation comes around.

I am not saying that Houston is that situation. I'm just pointing out that every single person who makes the point that Jimmy has it so good that he won't go back to the horrible drudgery of coaching misses the point that he got into coaching to begin with for a reason and I bet that reason was that he loved it. There are more Dick Vermiels in this world then there are John Maddens. Bill Parcells was considered a comfortable retiree more than once. He's coaching right now.
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I see a GM for the most part getting players that Capers wants.

Yes, Casserly provides input. But the SYSTEM is Capers' and so Casserly is probably attempting to get Capers what Capers feels is needed for the SYSTEM.

Think about it: If you were the GM of an NFL team....would you hog all the drafting and trading decisions? If you do, you'l be the primary scapegoat if things go wrong and you'll be history within 2-3 years.

However, if you (as the GM) "allow" the HC to get almost everything the HC wants...and things go wrong...who can you as a GM blame? The HC.

"Hey, this was his system, not mine..."

"Hey, Capers wanted these guys to be in his system..."

"Hey, what am I supposed to do? Tie Capers' hands behind his back and tell capers who he can and can't have?"

GM's have input, but I would think that most of them work with the scouting teams and then they try and accomodate what the HC says he needs for his system/philosophy...more or less.

Coaches don't just coach what they have on the field...they also have a big hand in recruiting players they want to see on the field next season.
You said it well and I have been saying the same thing for a long time. But nobody understands this logic.
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Some of them just have it in their blood. To them it's not a grind at all and I bet that the urge to coach again eventually catches Johnson if and when the right situation comes around.

I am not saying that Houston is that situation. I'm just pointing out that every single person who makes the point that Jimmy has it so good that he won't go back to the horrible drudgery of coaching misses the point that he got into coaching to begin with for a reason and I bet that reason was that he loved it. There are more Dick Vermiels in this world then there are John Maddens. Bill Parcells was considered a comfortable retiree more than once. He's coaching right now.

Yea you're right. It's definitely always a possibility..people do change their minds particularly when you flash money at them. I don't consider it a probability but that's just my opinion. Jimmy is if nothing else an odd person...and takes pride in the fact that nobody really "knows" him. So we'll see.
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I'd take JJ as GM in a heartbeat. One thing that guy can do is spot talent. Hopefully he can spot a good coach and bring him along to Houston.
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You said it well and I have been saying the same thing for a long time. But nobody understands this logic.
That's becuase there is no "logic" to your position because you try to treat the GM and coach analysis just like the QB and OL analysis as if only one can be blamed at a time. Basically a position which completely denies reality. Both can be good, both can suck or any other combination and McNair has to do what you claim is impossible and evaluate both right now for the upcoming off-season. Hopefully he uses better logic.
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I say that McNair should open up the vault and give Jimmy ANYTHING he wants. Bringing in Jimmy will revitallize the franchise. He is a proven winner and can spot talent make hime HC and GM. Here are the reasons Bob might be able to persuade Jimmy.

1. He is home town boy.
2. He is a winner and winners allways want to come back.
3. He would love to come back and show up Jerry in Dallas
4. We have the best facillities in the league.
5. Bob has cash
6. Bob needs to do something or he will start losing money
7. Bob is a winner and he knows that Jimmy would make a big splash in media
8. With Jimmy we will content for a Superbowl
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Does anybody know about Johnson's contract with Fox, if he can break it or not? That may have more to do with Jimmy becoming the next HC in Houston than anything else.
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