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Old 10-20-2005   #81
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Ain't that the truth! Let's play count the Sharper jerseys this Sunday!
I'll be in my white Sharper jersey at next week's Brownie game!
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Strange, he was good enough for the Texans last year to warrant his own battle red jersey (just last year!)....
There were a few people that were good enough for that mediocre team last year that couldn't/can't play for this lousy team this year.

Somebody missed something somewhere.
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Sharper was and still is a good player, but he is no longer great. The guy has slowed and we got rid of him at the right time. The problem is we did not find a leader before we did and then we let go of the only other veteran that this team would follow about two weeks later. The Aaron Glenn release (which he asked for) hurt this team immensely.
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The Aaron Glenn release (which he asked for) hurt this team immensely.
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I live in the North part of Texas (Amarillo).

Some day I plan on making a trip to see a Texans game. Last year would have been a great chance, and I had actually planned to make a trip down for the Browns game...glad I didn't.

If I lived in Houston, and if I had been going to the games the past three years, I would have to say that I would NOT be going this year. I vote on things with my feet, and thus I would stay home and I would boo AND cheer at home while watching the Texans on TV. Purchasing a ticket, a hot dog, a coke, and a Texans souvenir during this season is not something I would do if I lived in Houston. The only way you get it through an owner's head that you as a fan deserve a better team, with better coaches who will at least field a competitive team, is to vote with your feet.

Keep purchasing tickets. Keep purchasing souvenirs from the Texans pro shop or the stadium itself. Keep it up. You are in essence stamping your approval on the team itself, the team that plays every Sunday. But that team we're accustomed to--the one that plays hard all game long--left the stadium in week 17 last season. They snapped because they were tired of gutting out wins despite the poor coaching and playcalling. They gave up, and they put on the good face for the fans during camp...but the veil has been lifted that was put over the team by the coaches, and the product is watchable at home on TV where you can cry without being seen, and where you don't have to hear the other team's fan laugh hysterically at you as you sit all decked out in Texans gear that's marked down to clearance prices at stores nationwide.

The almighty dollar, and the lack thereof, is what gets a businessman's attention. Once he sees the bottom line profit margin sink a little more each week, McNair will see the light. Heck, McNair probably already has seen the light. But I disagree with what he said. Nothing's going to breathe life back into the Capers era Texans team. It's as done as microwaved steak.

Thus, I feel no need to purchase Texans gear or make a trip down to Houston until I can see that McNair is FULLY committed to making the changes that he already knows he needs to make. Again: Losing is OK, but not even fielding a team that resembles an NFL-caliber team is appalling and a waste of time for everyone.

This is not "fair weather fan" attitude. It's logic and common sense, with a touch of self-respect thrown in for good measure. I'll still watch them on TV. I'll still hope they play competitive. But I absolutely, mercilessly hope to see more empty seats on TV, and I hope we only win enough games to at least be 1-15 or to at least secure a Top 3 draft spot.

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Gpshafer you usually come with the meat, but the end of this post is crazy. I aggree that purchasing anything other than your tickets is the wrong thing to do if you are not in favor of how this team is doing. I also feel that it is the right of every fan to boo when ever they feel like it. The last part is my problem you should never want your team to lose. I dont and have never played the "fan" card, but every fan on this board wants the Texans to win.
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Gpshafer you usually come with the meat, but the end of this post is crazy. I aggree that purchasing anything other than your tickets is the wrong thing to do if you are not in favor of how this team is doing. I also feel that it is the right of every fan to boo when ever they feel like it. The last part is my problem you should never want your team to lose. I dont and have never played the "fan" card, but every fan on this board wants the Texans to win.

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Wow, where to begin..
1. Mr. McNair stated the roof would be closed Sunday. Forecast high Sunday 78. Not all of the bad decisions are on the field this year.

2. If you are going to Boo the good guys, please do it from the friendly confines of someplace else. Most of your seatmates don't want to hear it and can use the extra room in the stands. If you want to make a statement, send your unused tickets to the Texans after the game.

3. If the Texans tried to contact coaches from other teams during the season, would that not be considered tampering?

4. I believe the Texans are $7 million under the cap.

5. I would not be surprised to see Casserly go before Capers, eventhough the time span for both may be short.
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I want them to win just enough to not be 0-16, but I also do NOT want them to win so much that it saves Capers' job.

I know it sounds strange. But ponder it for awhile. Losing (now) is actually OK for two reasons: (1) Ensures Capers' dismissal, and hopefully other like-minded personnel ; (2) Ensures a Top 3 draft pick so we can get a stud o lineman.

Don't mistake me for someone that WANTS the team to implode. But at this point, with all of us in agreement that Capers should be dismissed...pulling out TOO many wins gives Capers a shot to stay.

My "Big Theory" is that last season's week 17 loss, at home against the Browns, was a breaking point by the players who were fed up with the play-it-close-and-keep-it-close-to-the-4th-quarter-so-we-can-have-a-shot-to-win-it Capers philosophy. My theory also is founded on the fact that our team was VERY competitive up until week 17, losing close games in the 4th quarter or overtime by a FG. Three full years of the play-it-close-and-keep-it-close-to-the-4th-quarter-so-we-can-have-a-shot-to-win-it Capers philosophy came crashing down during week 17, and what we're seeing right now is a team of players who are unable to play for this coach any longer.

They are going through the motions. They're tired of being the "company man" and tired of being the good soldier when they know the boss (Capers) is no longer relevant in regards to today's NFL standards. And you know what? They are actually being stand up people about it, and doggone it if they aren't being respectful and honorable the whole time about it. I mean, for them to not flat out punch Capers in the gut right now or to not make faces at him is speaking volumes about their character. Any other team (Raiders) would have 10-20 players dissing the HC right now: Publicly AND Privately.

So, yeah...I am all for the Texans going anywhere from 1-15 to 3-13, but also for them to NOT pull out a miracle season because it would be a blow to the FUTURE of this team. Hand the ball off to DD 100 times a game. Let Chad Stunley and Kris Brown kick the ball 20 times each a game. Keep Carr safe. Keep DD safe. And just get to the draft with a Top 3 pick. And if they choose anything other than the top rated o lineman...then the gig is up.
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Wow, where to begin..
1. Mr. McNair stated the roof would be closed Sunday. Forecast high Sunday 78. Not all of the bad decisions are on the field this year.

2. If you are going to Boo the good guys, please do it from the friendly confines of someplace else. Most of your seatmates don't want to hear it and can use the extra room in the stands. If you want to make a statement, send your unused tickets to the Texans after the game.

3. If the Texans tried to contact coaches from other teams during the season, would that not be considered tampering?

4. I believe the Texans are $7 million under the cap.

5. I would not be surprised to see Casserly go before Capers, eventhough the time span for both may be short.
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Default Geez, what do you want McNair to say????

Bob McNair only said what he could say. He acknowledged in so many words what the situation was and asked us to hang in there. He's being a good owner--if he just blasts the coach, what sort of awesome coach would want to come to a rebuilding situation with a crazy owner?

He saved football in town, he is not being cheap, he gave us a great stadium--what do you want Bob to do right here, right now, suit up?

As for people who really feel the need to boo the team, I've pretty much said my point of view on this:

http://www.houstontexans.com/fan_zon...607#post178607

But I will add this.

If bad stuff happens, I don't expect folks to be happy about it.

But I think booing is traitorous. That might be a bit strong, but that's how I see it.

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Having the character of a traitor; disloyal.
Constituting treason: a traitorous act. See synonyms at faithless.

If it makes the other team happy, I ain't gonna do it. Ever. Ever. Ever.

No aid and comfort to the enemy. I am not about to make Colts, Jags, Titans etc happy. Ever. Ever. Ever.

I don't want to see another team's player raising his arms up repeatedly (ala Bullock, I think, in the last game) urging our fans to boo louder in OUR house.

I believe that booing is counterproductive to the long term success of our team:

http://www.houstontexans.com/fan_zon...116#post179116

I know people get sick of the whole real fan/not fan kinda of threads, but I cannot comprehend why booing is seen as being helpful in creating the sort of team in the future that you want to see. Usually when people try to explain their way of saying why they are a true fan of the team who likes to boo, their post just turns into the illogical rambling written equivalent of bitter beer face.

But don't ask me what I REALLY think.
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Last home game, one of the Titans started raising his arms up to encourage the booing that was going on. It was great. I shook my head disgustedly at the people that were booing.

Booing accomplishes NOTHING except making you look like an --- (insert your own profanity here). I repeat, it accomplishes

NOTHING.

If you want to actually accomplish something, boycott merchandise, concessions, and/or ticketing. Hit them where it hurts - the pocketbook. Booing doesn't help a thing. To the poster who used the dog analogy -- if it were only that simple. You can boo all you want, for 16 games, and nothing more will be accomplished than what already is. Capers will be fired whether you show up to boo another down or not. The team will retool whether you show up to boo or not. No amount of booing by you or anyone else will change the course of the future here. The message has been sent - McNair gets it. We're unhappy. The level of our unhappiness and level of seriousness to winning will better be measured in dollars and cents than in decibels.
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I was in Ausitn last night and one local channel's sportscaster said that McNair had met privately with the coaches prior to meeting with the fans. Has anyone heard about the meeting with coaches?
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I feel that this season is over and nothing good can come from Capers hanging on until the end of year. From what I can gather the reasons for keeping Capers are:

1.) It would reflect badly on the Texans to fire Capers during the season and it would make it harder for them to get a coach for next year. Coaches in the NFL that don’t win expect to be fired. The Miami Dolphins had a similar situation last season. They made the right decision and had their Coach removed in mid season. Because of the ownership, talent, and location the Dolphins had no problem getting one of the top coaching candidates in Saban. I think it worse to leave Capers as a lame duck coach when everyone already knows that his time is over. Before anyone who feels sorry for Capers, please realize that his contract is guaranteed, unlike those of the players. Therefore, he will be drawing his salary regardless of where he is.
2.) It is bad for the assistant coaches. It is worse to leave them working under a lame duck coach. If we promote one of the assistants to HC, it will be a cannot lose situation for this man. At the very least, he will be able to get experience as a head coach. If the team is bad, no one will blame him. If the team plays better, it will only reflect positively on the new man. At the very least, you give them more control over their futures as opposed to leaving them tied to Capers.
3.) It will ruin the season. The season was lost before it began. This team gave up on
Capers the middle of last season. At this time, losses don’t matter because draft positioning the real priority. The Dolphins did not cease to exist when their coach left at midseason and neither will the Texans.
4.) The players will suffer because they know the season is lost. The players already know Capers is done so there is little incentive for them to follow his orders. When the axe falls on Capers, they will know that the time for change has begun and hopefully it will motivate them to start worrying about their own jobs.
5.) Fans will give up on the team if they think the season is over. This situation is already happening. The “true blue” fans will not give up on the team no matter what. So, they will still be there. The fans who only show up for the “experience” of tailgating won’t care if Capers is still in charge. The band wagon fans have long since abandoned this sinking ship. The fans who complain about Capers and want to see changes will surely stay away if Capers remains. I for one would be much more interested in this team if Capers was let go. It removes all doubt that he will not be here next year and that the business of rebuilding is ready to begin. I know what a Capers’ team looks like now and what it will look like next month and in December: a complete disaster.
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If you want to actually accomplish something, boycott merchandise, concessions, and/or ticketing. Hit them where it hurts - the pocketbook. Booing doesn't help a thing. To the poster who used the dog analogy -- if it were only that simple. You can boo all you want, for 16 games, and nothing more will be accomplished than what already is. Capers will be fired whether you show up to boo another down or not. The team will retool whether you show up to boo or not. No amount of booing by you or anyone else will change the course of the future here. The message has been sent - McNair gets it. We're unhappy. The level of our unhappiness and level of seriousness to winning will better be measured in dollars and cents than in decibels.
Yes, if it were only that simple. No one show up to the game. All PSL holders who forked over even more money for this year's season tickets, just blow off the game. Give your tickets away, it's only money. Every game they announce the number of tickets sold for the game which is not even close to the number of people in the seats. Don't boo, just burn your tickets like they were hundred dollar bills.
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Wow, where to begin..
1. Mr. McNair stated the roof would be closed Sunday. Forecast high Sunday 78. Not all of the bad decisions are on the field this year.
Roof is going to be closed because of the noise factor. They want the stadium to be loud
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I just love how everybody tries to tell everybody how to be a fan. Why don't we leave that up to the individual?

And for the roof....man....they still can't get that right. The equation for that is real simple.

Hot and/or rain = roof closed
EVERYTHING ELSE = OPEN


Why is it so freaking hard?? If you can't manage the freaking roof, how the hell are you going to manage a football team? :brickwall
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Roof is going to be closed because of the noise factor. They want the stadium to be loud
Why, so the boos will resonate more in a 3/4 full stadium?

They established a roof policy which made sense (mid-80's and above=closed) and then they still don't follow it. It's going to be a beautiful fall day in the upper 70's. <queue Lombardi> What the hell is going on around here?

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Why, so the boos will resonate more in a 3/4 full stadium?
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Yes, if it were only that simple. No one show up to the game. All PSL holders who forked over even more money for this year's season tickets, just blow off the game. Give your tickets away, it's only money. Every game they announce the number of tickets sold for the game which is not even close to the number of people in the seats. Don't boo, just burn your tickets like they were hundred dollar bills.

Well, the "tickets" portion of that was directed at non-season ticket holders. As a PSL/season-ticket holder myself, the money is spent. I will continue to go to the games and squeeze whatever value I can from the money that has already been spent. I will not buy concessions or merchandise, however. And I won't be booing while I'm there, because it quite simply does not accomplish anything. My boos are monetary in nature.
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