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Old 10-17-2005   #21
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I don't get that, what's really wrong with the Texans, what makes them think that if a player is playing at a position he will play better at another position. If they need a position filled why not go after a player that fills that position. The line is a glaring example, but didnt Morrency get drafted as a running back. Why did he start at wide receiver. Wheres Armstrong and Mathis. I saw Armstrong on the bench. Why isnt he on the field dammit these texans decisions are really frustrating.
According to Capers, they practice with both Morency and Armstrong as the 3rd receiver. If Armstrong is in, the defense puts in a nickel back and all 3 receivers are covered by cornerbacks. If they have two running backs inthe huddle, the defense has 2 corners and 2 safeties. Then Morency splits out giving us three "receivers" vs. 2 corners and a safety.

Of course we really have 2 receivers and an RB against 2 corners and a safety, so I'm not sure what you gain, especially since the coaches claim they are looking for ways to get Armstrong more opportunities.
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Old 10-17-2005   #22
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I don't get that, what's really wrong with the Texans, what makes them think that if a player is playing at a position he will play better at another position. If they need a position filled why not go after a player that fills that position. The line is a glaring example, but didnt Morrency get drafted as a running back. Why did he start at wide receiver. Wheres Armstrong and Mathis. I saw Armstrong on the bench. Why isnt he on the field dammit these texans decisions are really frustrating.
OK well two entirely different situations in there. Pitts played exceedingly well in college as a LT--something like 1 or 2 sacks allowed in 2 years. But, just as you will see some 1st round projected tackles who were LT's in college projected to RT in the NFL (Jammal Brown for example from last year), NFL personnel guys will decide a player's skill set better fits at another position in the NFL. Pitts has pretty good feet, better than most NFL guards, and very good power but doesn't have the classic frame and long arms of an elite LT. They likes what they saw but thought he would be better at another position. As Runner said, the Morency call was purely to create a D match-up problem. It isn't that they think Morency or Davis when they have split him out in the past is a better receiver it is the fact that they get to go up against a safety or LB rather than a CB.
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Back to the line - there have been a few posts that say at least we improved down to 3 sacks, but what did that improvement (from wretched all the way up to poor) cost us?

- Davis ran for an average of 2.2 yards per carry
- Carr had 8 throw aways to avoid being sacked
- A tight end stayed in and blocked on numerous passing plays, removing a passing option from the offense
- We gave up on any type of vertical passing play, further restricting the offense

So yes, we gave up less sacks. But we sacrificed the entire offense to do it.

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- Davis ran for an average of 2.2 yards per carry (had nothing to do with sacks)
- Carr had 8 throw aways to avoid being sacked (about time...most QB's throw the ball away several times a game too...welcome to the NFL Dave)
- A tight end stayed in and blocked on numerous passing plays, removing a passing option from the offense (we've never thrown to the TE much except for the first year when we had nothing)
- We gave up on any type of vertical passing play, further restricting the offense (since when have we thrown downfield and challenged D's in the middle of the field the last 13 games?.....Better protection allows for more downfield passing...not the reverse)
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- Davis ran for an average of 2.2 yards per carry (had nothing to do with sacks)
Not directly, but indirectly yes. They changed up the whole OL to try to improve on pass protection. The net result was an OL who hadn't practiced much together in those respective positions and the run blocking suffered. That and teams are clearly game planning against DD at this point.
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- Davis ran for an average of 2.2 yards per carry (had nothing to do with sacks)
- Carr had 8 throw aways to avoid being sacked (about time...most QB's throw the ball away several times a game too...welcome to the NFL Dave)
- A tight end stayed in and blocked on numerous passing plays, removing a passing option from the offense (we've never thrown to the TE much except for the first year when we had nothing)
- We gave up on any type of vertical passing play, further restricting the offense (since when have we thrown downfield and challenged D's in the middle of the field the last 13 games?.....Better protection allows for more downfield passing...not the reverse)
But restructuring the line and play calling does effect the entire offense, and in this case negatively.

I do think the next time you agree with one of my posts will be the first though, so fire away. That's what these boards are for.
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I can buy that...but it always seems that everybody blames their favorite skill players woes on the line and never points out the limitations of the players themselves.
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But restructuring the line and play calling does effect the entire offense, and in this case negatively.

I do think the next time you agree with one of my posts will be the first though, so fire away. That's what these boards are for.
I usually (mostly) respond to things I dissagree with....I'm not much of a rah rah group hug fan-type. I see mb's as a place to debate opinions.
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I can buy that...but it always seems that everybody blames their favorite skill players woes on the line and never points out the limitations of the players themselves.
Nah, I wasn't trying to make a case for DD being Barry Sanders. Really maybe more of an observation (here comes another Ibar theory) that run blocking is probably more affected on a zone blocking team than on a man blocking team. Strikes me that the zone blocking really requires them to work themselves together as evidenced by the progress over last season. Could be any RB back there and I would expect a zone blocking team with all 5 positions changing to struggle.
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yeah...I was only correlating sacks to Dom's production and not the position switch(s)....which you point out as a reasonable argument.
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I can buy that...but it always seems that everybody blames their favorite skill players woes on the line and never points out the limitations of the players themselves.
I'm not blaming the players at any postion as much as I blame the coaching staff not giving them the tools to win. Physical skills don't seem to improve when a player gets here - one example of many is Wade who has regressed. Shuffling the line doesn't help much if you don't improve the o-line's blocking skills as a group working together.

The team also doesn't have or use the plays to exploit what the opponents give them.

For instance, against Seattle's 8 man front we were concerned about pass protection - why not quick slant them to death? If that means using Armstrong because his skill set includes catching the ball in traffic, then do it. I don't mean that Armstrong is better than Bradford, Gaffney, or Mathis. I mean he has a particular skill - hands in traffic - that we could have tried to exploit. We could run slants with Gaf and Mathis too - Gaf had a good game and Mathis has the speed to break that type of pass into a big play, especially against an 8 man front. Beat one guy and its a race to the end zone. If not slants, something.

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All we did was throw short passes or hitches...watch the game again. You can't just "quick slant teams to death" when they cheat over and take it away. You can't even do that in Madden if the other guy is expecting it....all you would do is turn the ball over. We have got to get the ball up the field. Many of Dave's passes more than just a few yards were not accurate. A couple of them were on routine passes that killed drives.
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Vinny you are right on track. It was another case of old Jacksonville and Jets offense. It was hard to watch, but D. Carr was nice at the game. He was not overly accurate, but hell he is not that kind of QB. I think DC would do better with a more wide open approach and going up the middle of the field. His footwork right now is not going to get alot of accuracy along the sidelines. Just look at his feet on the throw to gaffney on the sideline. Anyway Vinny check out my coaching list and tell me what you think.
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All we did was throw short passes or hitches...watch the game again. You can't just "quick slant teams to death" when they cheat over and take it away. You can't even do that in Madden if the other guy is expecting it....
I know. I was just using an example - that's what I meant by If not slants, something

The point is a good offense would attack an 8 man front and make them pay.

I wouldn't know anything about Madden; I've never played it nor seen it played.
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