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Old 10-12-2005   #21
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Insert any 0-fer team ever to start a season then...just is not gonna happen people. Capers will play this out till he gets canned. If we don't start winning it will be later in this season...if we do start to win here and there I think McNair will let him play out the year then replace him at the end of the season.
These are my thoughts exactly..
Who would resign from a million dollar job, certainly not me. You would have to fire me and then escort me off the premises with armed guards to make sure I wasn't hanging around for my paycheck...
Come on fans, get real. Capers will not quit, ever. Would you???
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Capers quitting wouldn't help either side. It would show the rest of the league he is a quitter and that he can't handle it when the going gets tough, thus making it harder than it already will be to find employment again in the NFL. If he quits on us now, in the middle of the season, what do you think that would do to a team that already lacks fire and confidence, to have their "leader" quit on them.
I think you're onto something here, but it's not that it would actually hurt the Texans (although, he probably thinks it would) as much as is it that Capers knows he would look like a quitter. I'm sure that coaches who quit mid-season without being asked to are going to lose credit with owners throughout the league. Besides that, he probably takes it as a personal challenge to prove the world wrong about him at this point, if he can get the time to do it (like 20 yrs.).
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Wannstedt quit in mid-season last year, after going 1-8. Link to story
And it hasn't held him back at all--he's well on his way toward ruining a college team now.

But again, there's a big difference between firing/quitting 9 games in versus 4 games in. NFL franchises rarely let almost a whole season go adrift like that. Dom'll be with us for at least a few more weeks--most likely, through Thanksgiving.

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Honestly you guys keep beating on Dom - but Charlie is just as much to blame - he hired the guy and has made just as many questionable personel decisions in the draft as Dom has. They worked together in tandem for the last almost 5 years to develop this team into what it is today. Honestly IMO the whole staff needs to go outside of maybe Hoke and Marciano as no other coaches or the GM has made enough good or even great decisions to keep their jobs up to this point.

These people are responsible for the product on the field - bottom line. It's time to stop with the excuses and start taking responsability for your choices Dom & Charlie - this is afterall your team.

I think Don Banks @ SI has it on the money
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6. How is it that Houston head coach Dom Capers is definitely next on the firing line, but Texans general manager Charley Casserly -- the man who hired him -- continues to have job security? Casserly is said to still have the confidence of Texans owner Bob McNair, but we can't help but wonder why. Look at Casserly's track record. What makes him untouchable? It's been a long time between success stories for the former Redskins general manager.

Houston -- Actually you can't get any lower than the winless Texans, unless the NFL goes to a European soccer league system of dropping its losers down to a lower division. Houston was 0 for 13 on third down.
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I think Casserly is VERY much to blame as well. However, this team's play-calling is too predictable on both sides of the ball and the players SEEM to have quit on their HC. I also think that you have to try another coach before you go so far as to replace your GM, or at least I don't think McNair would fire his GM without doing that first. When Capers is gone and they still suck, I will gladly join the Fire Casserly crowd and probably be even more loyal to it.

McNair is a rookie owner. We have to give him time to get experienced. It's a 20 yr. plan and THEN he will hire a good GM and HC. Just be patient. Hahahhaahahahaha!
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It (Capers quitting) would definitely help in the sense that it would prove to the players and the fans that we are committed to winning. Capers is not committed, which is the reason for the change. I garauntee a boost in spirits and energythe second Capers is gone.

I believe the sooner we get rid of Capers and Co., the more likely we are not to lose some of our talent. Just think of some of your favorite players...do you want to take a chance on them leaving because they think Capers is going to stick around. It is pretty obvious that the team has given up on Capers, so why not just finish it off?
I'm going to have to call bull to that. There's not a coach in sports that's "not committed" to winning. You think he actually enjoys losing? He may not be able to bring this team up to it's potential, his style may be ineffective, he may be incapable of changing his system but to say he should resign because he's not committed to winning is pretty weak.

Caper's under contract and will honor that contract until Mcnair decides enough is enough. If anyone can make a move that would show that the Texans are "committed to winning" it would be Mcnair. You will see that AFTER the season is over.

Also...last time I looked most of my "favorite players" were under contract. They can't just leave after the season.
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Best thing Capers could do for this team is submit his application for Defensive Coordinator. That would be his best Head Coaching decision EVER.
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Of course one statisitic we have not measured is Capers Butt Kissing ability. Who knows with a little lip movement and ample suction he might stick around
I don't think his ability to osculate has anything to do with him keeping his job the rest of the year. Firing him now will have little effect unless a suitable substitute, either permanent or interim, is identified and is interested in joining the Texans under these circumstances.
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He can't win the battle, but he has been blaming everyone but himself for a long time.
One of the things I like about Capers is that he does NOT blame people left and right, like some people on these boards.
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One of the things I like about Capers is that he does NOT blame people left and right, like some people on these boards.
Oh, shut up! It's all your fault our O-line sucks anyway!
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He isnt going to resign and I think that it is unrealistic to assume he would. The Panters started 0-7 last year and most of the teams in the NFL have started 0-4 at one time or another. I think the fan base is starting to get really ridiculous now.
I couldn't agree with you more Vinny. I look on this board and there is thread after thread of Texan bashing....from the towel boy to the owner...no one is excluded. It is quite embarassing to see grown men cry like this. I love the game of football and waited 6 months just like the rest of you, hoping we would have a much improved team this year. Apparently with all of the scheme changes, it isn't working out as we hoped, but to sit up here day after day and bash people is quite low. 40% of you need to grow up, another 40% of you need to get a life, that leaves 10% of the fans who will support this team no matter what. I am not saying I am happy with the coaching or playing...it is horrendous, but this isn't high school football. These guys are paid professionals and they have been through this before and will fix it. None of you "fans" could do any better, regardless of what you think. Move this person, fire this guy, hire this guy, switch them around..blah..blah...blah!
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Oh, shut up! It's all your fault our O-line sucks anyway!
me smells a witch-hunt coming
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It would definitely help in the sense that it would prove to the players and the fans that we are committed to winning. Capers is not committed, which is the reason for the change. I garauntee a boost in spirits and energythe second Capers is gone.
I understand where you are coming from, say we fire Capers now. Who do we get to replace him? Do we promote Pendry or Fangio temporarily? It would be almost impossible to find a coach from the outside to come in in the middle of the season and even if we did, if you bring in a new coach now, would the players have to learn all new plays and schemes? If Capers gets the axe, it should be the day after the season is over, bring in a new coach and it gives them an offseason to practice and learn. I understand it will take time either way, but I would wait until after the season is over to get more of a fresh start so to say.
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Best thing Capers could do for this team is submit his application for Defensive Coordinator. That would be his best Head Coaching decision EVER.
After his 4 years here, I doubt he could get anything more than a job as a DC, unless he coaches in college which I doubt.
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Our Football operations resembles FEMA. They can't make a simple decisions such as keeping the roof closed in oppressive heat and they close it on beautiful days as an overreaction....they didn't think about it...they just reacted....much like FEMA would. Heck, our entire offense never watched film together before a few weeks ago. What a clusterblank this is! The FEMA Texans
Now lets make an effort to be objective about this - yea, this strategy seems to have backfired on the Texans this year, but it also seemed to
be a successful strategy last year against Oakland. I think several of the Raider players were on record stating that they ran out of gas in the second half of last years game because of the heat & humidity which they were unaccustomed to out west in the Bay Area. Given how desperate we were for even a decent showing in the home opener, I dont' blame the move. Of
course there's the 20/20 hindsight thing - doesn't look like a smart move now.
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He's probably been told to lay low and try to survive. Probably McNair and Company still don't understand how disgruntled and mad the fans are nor do they really understand the total ineptness of this staff. As some of have said its as much about the loss of respect of the team as it is technique. Nobody believes in the system anymore. You simply can't fix that, but he can't admit it, just as he nevers ever points to himself in the interviews.
I am a fan and I am disappointed, but certainly NOT disgruntled and mad. It's ridiculous to feel that way after just four games with three of them being games you were expected to lose anyway.
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Now lets make an effort to be objective about this - yea, this strategy seems to have backfired on the Texans this year, but it also seemed to be a successful strategy last year against Oakland. I think several of the Raider players were on record stating that they ran out of gas in the second half of last years game because of the heat & humidity which they were unaccustomed to out west in the Bay Area. Given how desperate we were for even a decent showing in the home opener, I dont' blame the move. Of
course there's the 20/20 hindsight thing - doesn't look like a smart move now.
This is SOOOOO FEMA-like it's not even funny. How about have Dom Capers worry about football instead of the flippin' roof? Instead of just worrying about gameplan and whipping a good football team this *****ic regime is caught up in the weather and how they want to try to win the humidity battle. Putting the roof into the coaching decision was preposterous from the get-go. Get your team ready to play and just go out and whip them.....forget about the friggin' !@#$#! roof.
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He isnt going to resign and I think that it is unrealistic to assume he would. The Panters started 0-7 last year and most of the teams in the NFL have started 0-4 at one time or another. I think the fan base is starting to get really ridiculous now.
Agreed.

I'm not sure if its the fan base or just this board, but either way, its gotten kinda ridiculous.
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