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**gtexan02** · 10-11-2005

How much of our talent problem is the result of poor scouting?

Hervoyel · 10-11-2005

"WE GET SCOUTS?"

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Charlie Casserly

**Kaiser Toro** · 10-11-2005

Scouting is an art, but yet over hyped in my opinion. I'll spend more on one asst coach who is a master at developing a player than on a hot shot scouting department. The idea is that anyone in the pros should have some talent it just depends how you mold and shape it.

jacquescas · 10-11-2005

can we get both? i think as far behind as we are we need both.

**Vinny** · 10-11-2005

It doesn't matter if you have scouts when you just draft the guys the coaches like at the Sr bowl....ugh.

swtbound07 · 10-11-2005

A friend of mine is actually the pro scout for the texans (rob kisiel), and from all he has told me and i have seen, they have one of the best scouting departments there is.....its alll coaching friends, all coaching

Grid · 10-11-2005

last i heard.. we employed one of the largest scouting teams in the league.. if not THE largest.

TexanExile · 10-12-2005

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Originally Posted by Vinny

It doesn't matter if you have scouts when you just draft the guys the coaches like at the Sr bowl....ugh.

That's it, right there: Failure to accept expert input at crucial times when it comes to talent. Look, someone on the scouting staff found CC Brown, and someone found Jerome Mathis, and all the other talent Houston picked up from small schools over the past couple of years. It's not like Capers spends his week watching game film from every single NCAA school (must...avoid...making...obvious....quip.....) searching for talent. But when he apparently overrides those scouts in favor of players found in one-time meetings at unrealistic all-star games, I think he's missing out on what he trusts the scouts to do.

That said, if those guys had turned out to be studs and this team was winning, he'd be labeled a genius with an eye for talent. No risk of that now.

HJam72 · 10-12-2005

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Originally Posted by swtbound07

A friend of mine is actually the pro scout for the texans (rob kisiel), and from all he has told me and i have seen, they have one of the best scouting departments there is.....its alll coaching friends, all coaching

Sounds to me like your saying they have the players your friend wanted them to get, meaning that, "....it's all coaching, friends." I hope so, because I believe at some point we will still have Casserly, but Capers will be gone.

**ArlingtonTexan** · 10-12-2005

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Originally Posted by swtbound07

A friend of mine is actually the pro scout for the texans (rob kisiel), and from all he has told me and i have seen, they have one of the best scouting departments there is.....its alll coaching friends, all coaching

Well, of course, he is not going to admit "My department and I are mediocore at best at our jobs."

**Kaiser Toro** · 10-12-2005

If the scouting department is split between pro and college, the pro side has done an awful job, in tandem with our bean counters, to date - Wade, PBuch, Greenwood, Riley. Robaire is not where I thought he would be, but I still like what he can bring to the table.

texan279 · 10-12-2005

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Originally Posted by Kaiser Toro

If the scouting department is split between pro and college, the pro side has done an awful job, in tandem with our bean counters, to date - Wade, PBuch, Greenwood, Riley. Robaire is not where I thought he would be, but I still like what he can bring to the table.

IMO Robaire looks like he is starting to come along this season and Greenwood looks to me like he is improving.

the wonger need food · 10-12-2005

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Originally Posted by texan279

IMO Robaire looks like he is starting to come along this season and Greenwood looks to me like he is improving.

That's the problem.... these players should not be "coming along" or "improving" at this point in their careers.

the wonger need food · 10-12-2005

The Texans had the 3rd highest total payroll of any team in 2004. Not sure where they rank in 2005, but it's probably very close to the top. It looks like they have 15 scouts... Texans Front Office

texan279 · 10-12-2005

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Originally Posted by the wonger need food

That's the problem.... these players should not be "coming along" or "improving" at this point in their careers.

Robaire came in from a 4-3, and Greenwood is probably still learning as well.

the wonger need food · 10-12-2005

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Originally Posted by texan279

Robaire came in from a 4-3, and Greenwood is probably still learning as well.

Well, this is Robaire's 2nd year with the team. If it has taken him 28 games to finally "come along" that is an issue.

texan279 · 10-12-2005

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Originally Posted by the wonger need food

Well, this is Robaire's 2nd year with the team. If it has taken him 28 games to finally "come along" that is an issue.

Probably an issue with the coaching...

the wonger need food · 10-12-2005

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Originally Posted by texan279

Probably an issue with the coaching...

Without a doubt...

texan279 · 10-12-2005

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Originally Posted by the wonger need food

Without a doubt...

And the more I think about it the more it irks me...We have talent on this team and it's going to waste, not just AJ and Carr, but DRob, Robaire, Peek, Babin, I could go on and on. If I was DRob I would have almost been insulted having to cover the #2 WR in TJ when we played the Bengals. He should be going one on one with the best WR's in the league. The scemes and playcalling here is horrible.

**eriadoc** · 10-12-2005

If you take a look around at other NFL teams, they seem to get good production out of young, relatively unknown players, particularly on the O-line. We don't. Couple that with the players that have left here and performed well on other teams (Foley, McCree, Wright, maybe more) and I just can't see how the coaching isn't responsible for that, to a large degree. In order to be a winning team, you have to get solid production from guys that are not Pro Bowlers. The Colts are starting two 2nd-year offensive linemen and keeping Manning clean. The Chargers are starting three guys on the O-line in the 3rd year or less and doing a pretty good job. The Browns are starting a 3rd year center that's doing a good job and Trent Dilfer is looking decent. The Bengals have completely reshuffled the middle of their line after losing both Centers and with people playing out of position, doing fine. Our youngest starter is in his 4th year (Pitts, unless I'm missing someone) and we're getting poor production from all of them. And Pitts is still our best lineman. I have a hard time believing that we've missed on talent evaluation that many times.

Also on the coaching department, and I wasn't aware of this until this AM, the Texans had Clark Haggins in here for a workout and declined to work out a deal with him. He's doing quite well for the Steelers now.

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gtexan02 Working? Join Date: Mar 2005 Location: Boston Age: 29 Posts: 15,336 Rep Power: 34917	Who are our scouts? How much of our talent problem is the result of poor scouting?

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Kaiser Toro Native Mod Join Date: Sep 2004 Location: Straight Outta Austin Age: 43 Posts: 15,901 Rep Power: 20164	Scouting is an art, but yet over hyped in my opinion. I'll spend more on one asst coach who is a master at developing a player than on a hot shot scouting department. The idea is that anyone in the pros should have some talent it just depends how you mold and shape it. __________________ Texans 2012: Kidz II Men

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Vinny shiny happy fan Join Date: Apr 2004 Age: 49 Posts: 20,714 Rep Power: 55750	It doesn't matter if you have scouts when you just draft the guys the coaches like at the Sr bowl....ugh. __________________ http://twitter.com/#!/TexansTalk "A nation of sheep begets a government of wolves" - Edward R. Murrow

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Kaiser Toro Native Mod Join Date: Sep 2004 Location: Straight Outta Austin Age: 43 Posts: 15,901 Rep Power: 20164	If the scouting department is split between pro and college, the pro side has done an awful job, in tandem with our bean counters, to date - Wade, PBuch, Greenwood, Riley. Robaire is not where I thought he would be, but I still like what he can bring to the table. __________________ Texans 2012: Kidz II Men

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Hervoyel The Right Track Join Date: Apr 2004 Age: 47 Posts: 12,917 Rep Power: 61005	"WE GET SCOUTS?" signed Charlie Casserly __________________ A wise man once said "...well at this point it's all been hashed out and you either see it or don't. Hoping for a win next week" - HTown2ATX

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jacquescas Hall of Fame Join Date: May 2004 Age: 33 Posts: 1,323 Rep Power: 11	can we get both? i think as far behind as we are we need both.

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Grid Hall of Fame Join Date: Apr 2004 Posts: 4,299 Rep Power: 2271	last i heard.. we employed one of the largest scouting teams in the league.. if not THE largest.

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the wonger need food Hall of Fame Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Houston Age: 43 Posts: 2,535 Rep Power: 1085	The Texans had the 3rd highest total payroll of any team in 2004. Not sure where they rank in 2005, but it's probably very close to the top. It looks like they have 15 scouts... Texans Front Office

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eriadoc Texan-American Join Date: Aug 2004 Posts: 15,573 Rep Power: 71516	If you take a look around at other NFL teams, they seem to get good production out of young, relatively unknown players, particularly on the O-line. We don't. Couple that with the players that have left here and performed well on other teams (Foley, McCree, Wright, maybe more) and I just can't see how the coaching isn't responsible for that, to a large degree. In order to be a winning team, you have to get solid production from guys that are not Pro Bowlers. The Colts are starting two 2nd-year offensive linemen and keeping Manning clean. The Chargers are starting three guys on the O-line in the 3rd year or less and doing a pretty good job. The Browns are starting a 3rd year center that's doing a good job and Trent Dilfer is looking decent. The Bengals have completely reshuffled the middle of their line after losing both Centers and with people playing out of position, doing fine. Our youngest starter is in his 4th year (Pitts, unless I'm missing someone) and we're getting poor production from all of them. And Pitts is still our best lineman. I have a hard time believing that we've missed on talent evaluation that many times. Also on the coaching department, and I wasn't aware of this until this AM, the Texans had Clark Haggins in here for a workout and declined to work out a deal with him. He's doing quite well for the Steelers now.

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