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BREAZE · 10-05-2005

Ok there, I said it! I'm a big Bob McNair guy and love everything he has done up to this point. We are blessed to have an owner with good cash who puts the fans and city 1st.

However, he is ultimatley the one who hired the GM to help build this team. The result was Dom Capers, Chris Palmer, wacky draft picks, etc. The GM is the one who wasted a #1 on a QB, but has yet to draft to protect in that investment resulting in damaged goods. Everybody wants to jump on Carr, but what team would of drafted a QB and WR 1st if the strategy was to build a defense 2nd. Most teams would have put Carr on the shelf until he could be protected...that is unless your plans were never to protect him in the 1st place. The result is a QB that has been on his back more than a porn star his whole career and now may never become what he should have become.

A coach was brought in that is defense 1st...offense 2nd and yet here we are with one of the more pathetic defenses in the league. Talent makes the coach, the coach does not make the talent so this again is on the GM. Thank God we have a talented QB, WR, and RB with a pathetic O-line to fall back on...our stamp.

If we lose this week to Tenn. we may not win a ball game for some time. Until McNair makes more moves, he will utimately have to take the blame for this downturn. I'm confident he will not dissappoint! We need a whole new direction!

HardKnockTexan · 10-05-2005

I agree that if we do not improve change is needed. That being said, I don't believe that midseason is the best time to make these changes. McNair should definentally start courting possible replacements, but firing the GM and headcoach midseason will only cause turmoil. The team would look worse than they do right now. A perspective head coach would want to come into a situation he thinks he can work with. Seeing a team that doesnt know their @$$ hole from their elbow wouldnt be very attractive to a big name head coach IMO.

**Double Barrel** · 10-05-2005

I guess you want a Jerry Jones-type owner roaming the sidelines every game while looking over our coach's back?

Mr. McNair is not a football guy. He's a business man who is a football fan. He'll make changes when he's darn well ready. But blaming him is throwing the baby out with the bathwater.

So say we get another front office installed. You do realize that we would have to wait another couple of years for the new regime to install their players for their system. I guess by year 3 of the new staff, it's boom or bust with this crowd, 'eh? Bill Cowher would/could never make it in this market.

Have a little patience, bro. This team will come together. I BELIEVE!

BREAZE · 10-05-2005

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Originally Posted by HardKnockTexan

I agree that if we do not improve change is needed. That being said, I don't believe that midseason is the best time to make these changes. McNair should definentally start courting possible replacements, but firing the GM and headcoach midseason will only cause turmoil. The team would look worse than they do right now. A perspective head coach would want to come into a situation he thinks he can work with. Seeing a team that doesnt know their @$$ hole from their elbow wouldnt be very attractive to a big name head coach IMO.

I agree, but you can pretty much cash in this year if we lose Sunday. McNair may not be too concerned about when things happen at that point...we will just have to wait and see.

HardKnockTexan · 10-05-2005

What McNair should be doing right now is putting the heat on Casserly to do whatever it takes to get Lavar Arington in here. We are missing a defensive beast! Arington isnt happy in Washington and the Redskins may cut him. If that happens then he NEEDS to be in steal blue by week 6!

BREAZE · 10-05-2005

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Originally Posted by Double Barrel

I guess you want a Jerry Jones-type owner roaming the sidelines every game while looking over our coach's back?

Mr. McNair is not a football guy. He's a business man who is a football fan. He'll make changes when he's darn well ready. But blaming him is throwing the baby out with the bathwater.

So say we get another front office installed. You do realize that we would have to wait another couple of years for the new regime to install their players for their system. I guess by year 3 of the new staff, it's boom or bust with this crowd, 'eh? Bill Cowher would/could never make it in this market.

Have a little patience, bro. This team will come together. I BELIEVE!

I would not want any other owner!!!! Sorry if you misread into this. My point is sometimes you have to smack your own. If the present leadership does not get it together and if the formula continues to decline you will be waiting more than a couple of years for playoff spots my friend. Don't think the owner does not know this either...that's why I have confidence.

**Double Barrel** · 10-05-2005

Me, too. I've got my trust in McNair, and I'm sure he wants a winner just as much (or more!) than we do. I like an owner that is a fan instead of a self-appointed football "expert".

I think we'll see big changes in the offseason if this team tanks the season. With the firing of Palmer after only two games into the season, it is obvious that our owner is not scared to rock the boat in order to light a fire under this organization.

So I'm trying to stay positive about this season, as well as place my full confidence in the guy that brought football back to our fair city.

Coach C. · 10-05-2005

I am not and have never been sold on casserly since the Heath Shculer pick. Capers is a good DC and a decent Head Coach not sure how good at managing the game he is, but players have to play. I dont think we have put the players in the best situation to succeed. Casserly does have a nac for engineering trades, but I think McNair would be smart to put an assistant GM in place that would split with Casserly and be able to quell some of his impulses. Kinda like Phil Savage was with Ozzie Newsome in Baltimore.

nunusguy · 10-05-2005

Complaining is part of human nature, especially with football fans. And we got some things to complain bout right now, no doubt about that. As far as McNair goes, I pretty much still give him profound thanks on a daily basis for getting NFL ball back in town. Come to think about, its about as close to daily prayer as I get. McNair is maybe our community's greatest citizen -
X Prez Bush is the only one I can think of in the same league with him.
When and if mere mortals like Dom Capers and Charley Cassidy need to be replaced, I'm confidant his timing to accomplish that task will be perfect.

rafterticket · 10-05-2005

No way a guy throws away 700 million to field mediocrity.

Bob McNair seems to say what he thinks on camera without stepping on the operations toes. I have no doubt he will do the right thing long before home blackouts and empty seats. That's too much revenue to lose.

**beerlover** · 10-05-2005

Quote:

Originally Posted by Double Barrel

I guess you want a Jerry Jones-type owner roaming the sidelines every game while looking over our coach's back?

Mr. McNair is not a football guy. He's a business man who is a football fan. He'll make changes when he's darn well ready. But blaming him is throwing the baby out with the bathwater.

EXACTLEY!!!

the only time I've seen him voice his opinion was at the end of last season after the Cleveland game and he specificly stated that we (Texans) need to address aquiring some protection for David Carr. guess Casserly over ruled him in discussions with the free agent signings (PACE) & was more willing to give to draft picks for PB, aquire a medicore tackle in Riley and with the 1st pick goes defensive lineman instead of offensive lineman.

no the brunt of this issue is sqaurely upon Casserly's shoulders and if he cannot rectify the situation I have no doubt that Bob McNair will make the buisness decision

**Vinny** · 10-05-2005

Blame McNair for what? This is a game people....teams win and teams lose. A great game that only a few cities have and we only have 8 home games a year at that. Anybody mad at the owner because this team isn't a playoff team right now is not looking at this with any fair perspective whatsoever. If the Men he hired can't get it done he will get other Coaches and GM's. Every team in the league has rough periods...even expansion teams. This season will play out quickly. If we lose to the Tacks we can start to "Grab the shovel". I think this may catch on as much as Bum's "hold the rope" rally cry.

HardKnockTexan · 10-05-2005

[quote=jayseed2002]

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Originally Posted by Double Barrel

I guess you want a Jerry Jones-type owner roaming the sidelines every game while looking over our coach's back?

Mr. McNair is not a football guy. He's a business man who is a football fan. He'll make changes when he's darn well ready. But blaming him is throwing the baby out with the bathwater.

So say we get another front office installed. You do realize that we would have to wait another couple of years for the new regime to install their players for their system. I guess by year 3 of the new staff, it's boom or bust with this crowd, 'eh? Bill Cowher would/could never make it in this market.

Have a little patience, bro. This team will come together. I BELIEVE!

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Double Barrel, now I am NOT a cowboy fan at all..... but Jerry does have 3 rings..... he can't be too big of an *****. Dom and Charley have both been in the league longer than Jerry, yet Jerry has mor rings COMBINED! Think about it.....

Three things... first you're comparing an owner to a GM and a coach. Second, Jones bennefited from the Vikings giving up mulitiple first round draft picks for Hershal Walker. Third, it was Jimmy Johnson who built that team, not Jerry Jones.

TheOgre · 10-05-2005

McNair is a great owner. You won't find any better than him in the league. I'm sure he was one of the chief reasons Palmer was fired during the bye. Capers has moved quickly into the hot box.

HardKnockTexan · 10-05-2005

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Originally Posted by jayseed2002

McNair hires Casserly, Casserly hires Dom, Dom and Casserly pick the players, the players do not perform...... now look back at the first name..... McNair

Now check this out:

Jerry Jones hires Jimmy Johnson as head coach and GM...... Jimmy and Jerry pick the players( and orchestrate a GREAT trade for their team), the players perform, they win 3 super bowls..... HMMMM.... I hope our owner turns out to be as good as JJ. Now look back at the first name...... seems like this is comparing Apples to Apples to me.......

I understand the trickle down affect. But would the Cowgirls win all those superbowls if the Vikings GM didnt have a serious brain fart and basically hand them 3 hall of fame players? McNair is a great owner. He will put the right people into the possitions to bring Houston to the superbowl... bet on it.

**Double Barrel** · 10-05-2005

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Originally Posted by jayseed2002

Double Barrel, now I am NOT a cowboy fan at all..... but Jerry does have 3 rings..... he can't be too big of an *****. Dom and Charley have both been in the league longer than Jerry, yet Jerry has mor rings COMBINED! Think about it.....

This is true, but you have to remember the history of Jerry Jones and Jimmy Johnson. At the time of the Cowboy's dynasty, he was not an owner that was trying to call all the shots. He left everything up to his coach and front office, and the results is a winning team.

Since that point (of losing JJ and the team he built, after the '95 Championship), the Cowboys have only had a winning record three times (out of 9 seasons).

2004 6-10
2003 10-6
2002 5-11
2001 5-11
2000 5-11
1999 8-8
1998 10-6
1997 6-10
1996 10-6

His coaches' records:

2003-present Bill Parcells 16-16-0
2000-2002 Dave Campo 15-33-0
1998-1999 Chan Gailey 18-16-0
1994-1997 Barry Switzer 45-26-0

He is finally relinquishing control at the moment, but that is more than likely due to the demands of the Tuna more than anything else.

I suppose the "moral of the story" is for owners to keep their noses out of football operations, 'eh?

Sure, Jones has three NFL Championships, and I would never try to take anything away from that. But these were not teams that he was the acting general manager, and it is clear that Jimmy Johnson was the mastermind behind those glory years.

SteelBlueToro · 10-05-2005

No doubt in my mind that Bob McNair will make the necessary changes during the offseason. I have full faith in confidence in him.

Htown34s · 10-05-2005

Oh man, a new team put together from scratch isn't doing well and its all the owners fault?

the wonger need food · 10-05-2005

McNair will be a good owner, he's just getting his feet wet.

It's like running any other business. You look at someone's resume, bring them in for an interview, talk to their previous employers. You just never really know how someone is going to perform until after they are hired. Unfortunately the pool of candidates for management positions in the NFL is very small. On top of that, it is one of the tightest good-ole-boy networks in existence.

He surrounded himself with incompetent people this first time around, but he will get better as he gains more experience. He will be better equipped to make good personnel decisions and be able to recognize sooner when things need to be changed.

**infantrycak** · 10-05-2005

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Second, Jones bennefited from the Vikings giving up mulitiple first round draft picks for Hershal Walker.

People say that but it really isn't fair IMO. Seems like the Saints and Washington had a blockbuster trade involving a stud RB and eight draft picks. How many SB's have the Skins have won since then (heck how about winning seasons)? Maybe there was more to the JJ thing than just one lucky trade.

10-05-2005	#2
HardKnockTexan All Pro Join Date: Mar 2005 Age: 33 Posts: 576 Rep Power: 27	I agree that if we do not improve change is needed. That being said, I don't believe that midseason is the best time to make these changes. McNair should definentally start courting possible replacements, but firing the GM and headcoach midseason will only cause turmoil. The team would look worse than they do right now. A perspective head coach would want to come into a situation he thinks he can work with. Seeing a team that doesnt know their @$$ hole from their elbow wouldnt be very attractive to a big name head coach IMO. __________________ Let the football gods smile down on us.

10-05-2005	#3
Double Barrel Moderator Join Date: Oct 2004 Section: Gridiron, Texas Age: 46 Posts: 27,106 Rep Power: 82704	I guess you want a Jerry Jones-type owner roaming the sidelines every game while looking over our coach's back? Mr. McNair is not a football guy. He's a business man who is a football fan. He'll make changes when he's darn well ready. But blaming him is throwing the baby out with the bathwater. So say we get another front office installed. You do realize that we would have to wait another couple of years for the new regime to install their players for their system. I guess by year 3 of the new staff, it's boom or bust with this crowd, 'eh? Bill Cowher would/could never make it in this market. Have a little patience, bro. This team will come together. I BELIEVE! __________________ "FOOTBALL IS ONLY A DIVERSION." ~ HOUSTON TEXANS In Memoriam - 20 little angels

10-05-2005	#5
HardKnockTexan All Pro Join Date: Mar 2005 Age: 33 Posts: 576 Rep Power: 27	What McNair should be doing right now is putting the heat on Casserly to do whatever it takes to get Lavar Arington in here. We are missing a defensive beast! Arington isnt happy in Washington and the Redskins may cut him. If that happens then he NEEDS to be in steal blue by week 6! __________________ Let the football gods smile down on us.

10-05-2005	#7
Double Barrel Moderator Join Date: Oct 2004 Section: Gridiron, Texas Age: 46 Posts: 27,106 Rep Power: 82704	Me, too. I've got my trust in McNair, and I'm sure he wants a winner just as much (or more!) than we do. I like an owner that is a fan instead of a self-appointed football "expert". I think we'll see big changes in the offseason if this team tanks the season. With the firing of Palmer after only two games into the season, it is obvious that our owner is not scared to rock the boat in order to light a fire under this organization. So I'm trying to stay positive about this season, as well as place my full confidence in the guy that brought football back to our fair city. __________________ "FOOTBALL IS ONLY A DIVERSION." ~ HOUSTON TEXANS In Memoriam - 20 little angels

10-05-2005	#10
rafterticket Veteran Join Date: Jun 2005 Posts: 324 Rep Power: 8	You blame McNair????? No way a guy throws away 700 million to field mediocrity. Bob McNair seems to say what he thinks on camera without stepping on the operations toes. I have no doubt he will do the right thing long before home blackouts and empty seats. That's too much revenue to lose.

10-05-2005	#1
BREAZE Veteran Join Date: Aug 2005 Age: 42 Posts: 280 Rep Power: 0	I blame McNair Ok there, I said it! I'm a big Bob McNair guy and love everything he has done up to this point. We are blessed to have an owner with good cash who puts the fans and city 1st. However, he is ultimatley the one who hired the GM to help build this team. The result was Dom Capers, Chris Palmer, wacky draft picks, etc. The GM is the one who wasted a #1 on a QB, but has yet to draft to protect in that investment resulting in damaged goods. Everybody wants to jump on Carr, but what team would of drafted a QB and WR 1st if the strategy was to build a defense 2nd. Most teams would have put Carr on the shelf until he could be protected...that is unless your plans were never to protect him in the 1st place. The result is a QB that has been on his back more than a porn star his whole career and now may never become what he should have become. A coach was brought in that is defense 1st...offense 2nd and yet here we are with one of the more pathetic defenses in the league. Talent makes the coach, the coach does not make the talent so this again is on the GM. Thank God we have a talented QB, WR, and RB with a pathetic O-line to fall back on...our stamp. If we lose this week to Tenn. we may not win a ball game for some time. Until McNair makes more moves, he will utimately have to take the blame for this downturn. I'm confident he will not dissappoint! We need a whole new direction!

10-05-2005	#8
Coach C. Hall of Fame Join Date: Sep 2005 Location: SE Houston Posts: 1,422 Rep Power: 10	I am not and have never been sold on casserly since the Heath Shculer pick. Capers is a good DC and a decent Head Coach not sure how good at managing the game he is, but players have to play. I dont think we have put the players in the best situation to succeed. Casserly does have a nac for engineering trades, but I think McNair would be smart to put an assistant GM in place that would split with Casserly and be able to quell some of his impulses. Kinda like Phil Savage was with Ozzie Newsome in Baltimore.

10-05-2005	#9
nunusguy Hall of Fame Join Date: Jun 2004 Location: Houston Posts: 8,991 Rep Power: 183	Complaining is part of human nature, especially with football fans. And we got some things to complain bout right now, no doubt about that. As far as McNair goes, I pretty much still give him profound thanks on a daily basis for getting NFL ball back in town. Come to think about, its about as close to daily prayer as I get. McNair is maybe our community's greatest citizen - X Prez Bush is the only one I can think of in the same league with him. When and if mere mortals like Dom Capers and Charley Cassidy need to be replaced, I'm confidant his timing to accomplish that task will be perfect.

10-05-2005	#12
Vinny shiny happy fan Join Date: Apr 2004 Age: 49 Posts: 20,714 Rep Power: 55750	Blame McNair for what? This is a game people....teams win and teams lose. A great game that only a few cities have and we only have 8 home games a year at that. Anybody mad at the owner because this team isn't a playoff team right now is not looking at this with any fair perspective whatsoever. If the Men he hired can't get it done he will get other Coaches and GM's. Every team in the league has rough periods...even expansion teams. This season will play out quickly. If we lose to the Tacks we can start to "Grab the shovel". I think this may catch on as much as Bum's "hold the rope" rally cry. __________________ http://twitter.com/#!/TexansTalk "A nation of sheep begets a government of wolves" - Edward R. Murrow

10-05-2005	#14
TheOgre Hall of Fame Join Date: Apr 2004 Location: Back in the cellar again Posts: 3,739 Rep Power: 16	McNair is a great owner. You won't find any better than him in the league. I'm sure he was one of the chief reasons Palmer was fired during the bye. Capers has moved quickly into the hot box.

10-05-2005	#17
SteelBlueToro Veteran Join Date: Jun 2004 Age: 45 Posts: 116 Rep Power: 9	No doubt in my mind that Bob McNair will make the necessary changes during the offseason. I have full faith in confidence in him.

10-05-2005	#18
Htown34s Veteran Join Date: May 2004 Age: 43 Posts: 384 Rep Power: 10	Oh man, a new team put together from scratch isn't doing well and its all the owners fault? __________________ "I'm going to win them over regardless" -Mario Williams

10-05-2005	#19
the wonger need food Hall of Fame Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Houston Age: 43 Posts: 2,534 Rep Power: 1085	McNair will be a good owner, he's just getting his feet wet. It's like running any other business. You look at someone's resume, bring them in for an interview, talk to their previous employers. You just never really know how someone is going to perform until after they are hired. Unfortunately the pool of candidates for management positions in the NFL is very small. On top of that, it is one of the tightest good-ole-boy networks in existence. He surrounded himself with incompetent people this first time around, but he will get better as he gains more experience. He will be better equipped to make good personnel decisions and be able to recognize sooner when things need to be changed. Last edited by the wonger need food; 10-05-2005 at 10:54 AM.

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