did the colts help or hurt themselves this draft?? - Houston Texans Message Board & Forum

keyfro · 05-03-2004

they traded out of the 1st round to get these players:

bob sanders ss iowa
ben hartsock te ohio st.
gilbert gardner olb pur
kendyll pope olb fsu
jason david cb wsu
jake scott ot idaho
von hutchins cb miss
jim sorgi qb wis
david kimball k psu

their first two picks are horrible...how many safeties and tight ends do they need?...these were not the bpa when they picked either...all in all the indy fans have to be upset by these picks...they really needed a solid corner and some DL help

keyfro · 05-03-2004

how do you also think this will affect them this year and down the road?

HoustonTexansAreTheBest · 05-03-2004

It shouldn't affect them. They bettered their defense, and added some depth on offense. I'm sure Dungy knows what to do on defense. Plus, they have a good OC over there in Moore. They still have Manning, E James, Harrison, Pollard. A good team, and they just added onto it with the draft.

keyfro · 05-03-2004

well that is for this year...but they also have to find away to re-sign marvin harrison and e-james this offseason...it just seems to me that they would have been better off picking players at positions that they didn't have that much depth at...safety and tight end have to be some of their deepest positions

HoustonTexansAreTheBest · 05-03-2004

Well maybe they have much bigger plans that you don't know of. Maybe there focusing on a year at a time. I wouldn't be surprised to see them go to the Super Bowl this year as long as they stay healthy.

Fiddy · 05-03-2004

The Colts had, argubly, the least productive draft in the entire NFL. But keyfro made a good point, they have to resign their Franchise's favorite WR and one of the best in the business in Harrison.

pittbull · 05-04-2004

The Colts did nothing to improve their team. It was the defense that let them down for the last few years, and again they drafted no one of significance to aid the team. THis is great news for us, but for them Dungy needs to make some key trades to free up money and get a defense that can help Manning and Harrison out!

STEEL BLUE TEXANS · 05-04-2004

the colts didnt draft anyone to put them over the top. they lost some players and they drafted some so its basically a wash.

Blake · 05-04-2004

I think it was a horrible draft. Now they have 2 safetys that are 5'10 or smaller. I just cant believe some of the players they passed on. Some good talent.

TheOgre · 05-04-2004

Dungy is all about speed. People questioned his drafting of Freeney, and we have all seen what he can do. I think the Colts draft differently than most teams because they have different needs on defense.

V Man · 05-04-2004

I think the Colts did an excellent job drafting to help the Texans catch and replace them as the top team in the division within the next 3 years. Keep up the great work Dungy.

Blake · 05-04-2004

Quote:

Originally Posted by TheOgre

Dungy is all about speed. People questioned his drafting of Freeney, and we have all seen what he can do. I think the Colts draft differently than most teams because they have different needs on defense.

Different needs? like what? Smallish DB's? You better have one damn good defense to start drafting little safetys. And the last time I looked, people were destroying that D.

SBTexans08 · 05-04-2004

I give them 10 wins at most, and that's awfully generous. This would be due to the defense of course. The Colts defense wasn't strong last year and will be even worse this coming season IMO. They're going to open their season with a loss against the Pats. I think it'll be a blow out.

TheOgre · 05-04-2004

That sounds more like wishful thinking than reality. I still think the Colts are the best in our division right now.

TheOgre · 05-04-2004

BTW S Doss was very productive last year for the Colts. He definitely contributed more than Joppru did for us.

Blake · 05-04-2004

Quote:

Originally Posted by TheOgre

BTW S Doss was very productive last year for the Colts. He definitely contributed more than Joppru did for us.

And that makes it ok? Because he was more productive than an injured player?

Besides, thats not the point. The point is that they have 2 very small Safetys. And with the players they lost over the last few months, and how poor their run defense was, makes you wonder why they did what they did.

keyfro · 05-04-2004

well let me try and re-emphize the point i was trying to make...their run defense was horrible last year...besides freeney who is another solid starter on their DL?...monte reagor?...i'm a huge tech fan as ya'll know but he's not a quality starter...they lost marcus washington who was a great linebacker and who did they replace him with?...no one...the point is they didn't draft the positions they needed the most help at...which is great for us...cause in three years when they are getting hit hard with the cap problems of harrison, manning, and james we'll probably be able to pick up quality players from their team

clandestin · 05-04-2004

Here's a video of the Colts' top pick, Sanders: http://homepage.mac.com/scothawk/iMovieTheater47.html

My first impression was pretty good, but when I watched it the second time around I have more doubts about how his game will translate to the NFL. If you notice throughout the video he doesn't wrap-up tackle, instead he propels himself headfirst into guys, which makes it a bit hit or miss--something you don't want in a safety. I also noticed that he bounces off guys (even a QB) without bringing them down, this is all the tape I've seen so maybe I'm wrong, but I think in a Andre Johnson (6-2 220) v. Bob Sanders (5-8 200) collision in the middle of the field that Andre may get the best of it.

Fiddy · 05-04-2004

Who is their replacement for Marcus Washington (I think it was him that went to the Skins)?

CaptainPatriot · 05-04-2004

I`m not a Colts Fan but I think Bob Sanders will do good!

05-03-2004	#1
keyfro Hall of Fame Join Date: Apr 2004 Age: 29 Posts: 1,859 Rep Power: 13	did the colts help or hurt themselves this draft?? they traded out of the 1st round to get these players: bob sanders ss iowa ben hartsock te ohio st. gilbert gardner olb pur kendyll pope olb fsu jason david cb wsu jake scott ot idaho von hutchins cb miss jim sorgi qb wis david kimball k psu their first two picks are horrible...how many safeties and tight ends do they need?...these were not the bpa when they picked either...all in all the indy fans have to be upset by these picks...they really needed a solid corner and some DL help __________________ With the 10th overall pick in the 2007 NFL draft the Houston Texans select...?????

05-03-2004	#2
keyfro Hall of Fame Join Date: Apr 2004 Age: 29 Posts: 1,859 Rep Power: 13	how do you also think this will affect them this year and down the road? __________________ With the 10th overall pick in the 2007 NFL draft the Houston Texans select...?????

05-03-2004	#3
HoustonTexansAreTheBest Veteran Join Date: Apr 2004 Posts: 100 Rep Power: 10	It shouldn't affect them. They bettered their defense, and added some depth on offense. I'm sure Dungy knows what to do on defense. Plus, they have a good OC over there in Moore. They still have Manning, E James, Harrison, Pollard. A good team, and they just added onto it with the draft. __________________ Kerry/Edwards 2004 "Hope Is On the Way"-John Edwards

05-03-2004	#4
keyfro Hall of Fame Join Date: Apr 2004 Age: 29 Posts: 1,859 Rep Power: 13	well that is for this year...but they also have to find away to re-sign marvin harrison and e-james this offseason...it just seems to me that they would have been better off picking players at positions that they didn't have that much depth at...safety and tight end have to be some of their deepest positions __________________ With the 10th overall pick in the 2007 NFL draft the Houston Texans select...?????

05-03-2004	#5
HoustonTexansAreTheBest Veteran Join Date: Apr 2004 Posts: 100 Rep Power: 10	Well maybe they have much bigger plans that you don't know of. Maybe there focusing on a year at a time. I wouldn't be surprised to see them go to the Super Bowl this year as long as they stay healthy. __________________ Kerry/Edwards 2004 "Hope Is On the Way"-John Edwards

05-03-2004	#6
Fiddy Hall of Fame Join Date: Apr 2004 Location: Houston/Austin Age: 25 Posts: 4,314 Rep Power: 17	The Colts had, argubly, the least productive draft in the entire NFL. But keyfro made a good point, they have to resign their Franchise's favorite WR and one of the best in the business in Harrison. __________________ 'Anyone ready to go outside so I can make you look bad?' - Matt Schaub talking to the DBs

05-04-2004	#7
pittbull All Pro Join Date: May 2004 Location: Houston Age: 39 Posts: 532 Rep Power: 10	No way The Colts did nothing to improve their team. It was the defense that let them down for the last few years, and again they drafted no one of significance to aid the team. THis is great news for us, but for them Dungy needs to make some key trades to free up money and get a defense that can help Manning and Harrison out! __________________ The Original, No Duplicating!!!

05-04-2004	#8
STEEL BLUE TEXANS Hall of Fame Join Date: Apr 2004 Location: Sugar Land, Texas Age: 30 Posts: 5,327 Rep Power: 1832	the colts didnt draft anyone to put them over the top. they lost some players and they drafted some so its basically a wash.

05-04-2004	#9
Blake MMQB Join Date: Apr 2004 Location: Spring Section: 551/B Posts: 9,595 Rep Power: 14926	I think it was a horrible draft. Now they have 2 safetys that are 5'10 or smaller. I just cant believe some of the players they passed on. Some good talent. __________________

05-04-2004	#10
TheOgre Hall of Fame Join Date: Apr 2004 Location: Back in the cellar again Posts: 3,739 Rep Power: 16	Dungy is all about speed. People questioned his drafting of Freeney, and we have all seen what he can do. I think the Colts draft differently than most teams because they have different needs on defense.

05-04-2004	#11
V Man Pumpkinhead Join Date: Apr 2004 Location: Alamo City Age: 45 Posts: 2,586 Rep Power: 18	I think the Colts did an excellent job drafting to help the Texans catch and replace them as the top team in the division within the next 3 years. Keep up the great work Dungy. __________________ sig by michaelm

05-04-2004	#13
SBTexans08 All Pro Join Date: Apr 2004 Location: 3rd Coast Age: 33 Posts: 677 Rep Power: 10	I give them 10 wins at most, and that's awfully generous. This would be due to the defense of course. The Colts defense wasn't strong last year and will be even worse this coming season IMO. They're going to open their season with a loss against the Pats. I think it'll be a blow out. __________________ MY XBOX 360 GAMER PROFILE

05-04-2004	#18
clandestin Veteran Join Date: Apr 2004 Posts: 142 Rep Power: 10	Here's a video of the Colts' top pick, Sanders: http://homepage.mac.com/scothawk/iMovieTheater47.html My first impression was pretty good, but when I watched it the second time around I have more doubts about how his game will translate to the NFL. If you notice throughout the video he doesn't wrap-up tackle, instead he propels himself headfirst into guys, which makes it a bit hit or miss--something you don't want in a safety. I also noticed that he bounces off guys (even a QB) without bringing them down, this is all the tape I've seen so maybe I'm wrong, but I think in a Andre Johnson (6-2 220) v. Bob Sanders (5-8 200) collision in the middle of the field that Andre may get the best of it. Last edited by clandestin; 05-04-2004 at 08:04 PM.

05-04-2004	#20
CaptainPatriot Veteran Join Date: Apr 2004 Age: 54 Posts: 307 Rep Power: 0	I`m not a Colts Fan but I think Bob Sanders will do good! __________________ PATS are Reloading! ;-)

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