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**utahmark** · 10-02-2005

if been defending him all game and still think he is gonna be a good qb for a long time. but here is my problem. it seems he has to be told every little thing for every situation. he ran out of bounds for losses the first two weeks until someone apparantly told him to throw it away instead of taking a sack. hasnt he played football his whole life. shouldnt he no that by now.

also he has been coached to get rid of the ball, throw it to the rb if no one is open. doesnt he realize with 1 min left and 60 yards to go that a dump off over the middle is not an option. i guess no one went out and changed his progam for the 2 min drill. he has to start being more aware of the situation and knowing what to do without always being told. im hoping that this new less complicated offense will help. maybe his mind is just clogged with to much info.

i think carr has a lot of other great abilities that other qb's dont have. but his decession making isnt always the best. guess you cant have everything. if we can start protecting him these little things wont mean as much and he will also learn as he gets more experience.

Bubbajwp · 10-02-2005

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Originally Posted by markbeth

if been defending him all game and still think he is gonna be a good qb for a long time. but here is my problem. it seems he has to be told every little thing for every situation. he ran out of bounds for losses the first two weeks until someone apparantly told him to throw it away instead of taking a sack. hasnt he played football his whole life. shouldnt he no that by now.

also he has been coached to get rid of the ball, throw it to the rb if no one is open. doesnt he realize with 1 min left and 60 yards to go that a dump off over the middle is not an option. i guess no one went out and changed his progam for the 2 min drill. he has to start being more aware of the situation and knowing what to do without always being told. im hoping that this new less complicated offense will help. maybe his mind is just clogged with to much info.

i think carr has a lot of other great abilities that other qb's dont have. but his decession making isnt always the best. guess you cant have everything. if we can start protecting him these little things wont mean as much and he will also learn as he gets more experience.

Your exactly right its not an option. So why was that play called. DD should have been blocking or went deep down the sidelines.

Wolf · 10-02-2005

I wonder if part of the problem the Texans created was when they drafted Carr they basically handed him the keys to the franchise. Not that their is anything wrong with that and he was the #1 pick in the draft it is understandable..I wonder if the problem is that Carr never has had to worry about competition. Competition is a good thing. I am not questioning Carr's work ethic, but wonder if he needs to be "pushed"

texan_fan · 10-02-2005

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Originally Posted by Wolf

I wonder if part of the problem the Texans created was when they drafted Carr they basically handed him the keys to the franchise. Not that their is anything wrong with that and he was the #1 pick in the draft it is understandable..I wonder if the problem is that Carr never has had to worry about competition. Competition is a good thing. I am not questioning Carr's work ethic, but wonder if he needs to be "pushed"

*pushed* should = BENCHED

Before you jump on me...he needs a slap in the face. Maybe a harsh dose of reality from the bench when he's NOT injured will wake him up...

Bubbajwp · 10-02-2005

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Originally Posted by texan_fan

*pushed* should = BENCHED

Before you jump on me...he needs a slap in the face. Maybe a harsh dose of reality from the bench when he's NOT injured will wake him up...

What did he do wrong exactly.

**utahmark** · 10-02-2005

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Originally Posted by texan_fan

*pushed* should = BENCHED

Before you jump on me...he needs a slap in the face. Maybe a harsh dose of reality from the bench when he's NOT injured will wake him up...

he doesnt need to be benched. he played well today.

WildBlackBear32 · 10-02-2005

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Originally Posted by Bubbajwp

What did he do wrong exactly.

He needs to be more like Joey Harrington, duh! You know the guy, Less touchdowns,completions and yards on more attempts than Carr, while playing on the far better offense. THE TEXANS PICKED THE WRONG ONE BUBBA!

Ibar_Harry · 10-02-2005

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Originally Posted by Bubbajwp

What did he do wrong exactly.

The play calling has been suspect for a long time. Nothing has changed with Pendry. Its still the same old don't loooooose grind it out mentality. A lot of good players are being wasted by this coaching staff and the coahing staff never gives the team a chance to win. Did Mathis or Armstrong catch one ball in this game? No hands Bradford is just not going to put enough pressure on the offense to make them think twice about double coverage on AJ. If Mathis could get loose a couple of times it might just worry the defense a bit. If you watch our play there is absolutely no imagination. Its frightenly mundane.

**Vinny** · 10-02-2005

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Originally Posted by Ibar_Harry

Did Mathis or Armstrong catch one ball in this game? No hands Bradford is just not going to put enough pressure on the offense to make them think twice about double coverage on AJ. If Mathis could get loose a couple of times it might just worry the defense a bit. If you watch our play there is absolutely no imagination. Its frightenly mundane.

Since you didn't watch the game Ibar, I'll let you know that Gaffney started in place of Bradford and had a fine game. The ball didn't get thrown down the field much today.

phan1 · 10-02-2005

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Originally Posted by markbeth

hasnt he played football his whole life.

It really doesn't look that way too often. I mean, he does do things that are pretty stupid IMO. The dumps to DD on our last drive was STUPID. Taking a sack for a 17 yard loss on 3rd and 25 is Stupid. Taking a sack on the last play of the game is STUPID.

That said, I still think Carr just needs to keep on improving instead of regressing. And his coaches need to do everything they can to make sure he does keep on improving. Finding another starting QB is just not an option for us RIGHT NOW, so we just need to stick with Carr and hope he keeps improving.

Honoring Earl 34 · 10-02-2005

A QBs job is to win the game . Flirting for a fourth year team and fourth year QB is not good enough .

Warren Moon did'nt get a year before he heard it . No more excuses for Carr . Bernie Kosar in his second year in the league running a 5.3 40 yd dash would not get sacked 7 times .

Roger Clements needs to tutor Carr on having what it takes to gut it out .

Bubbajwp · 10-02-2005

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Originally Posted by Honoring Earl 34

A QBs job is to win the game . Flirting for a fourth year team and fourth year QB is not good enough .

Warren Moon did'nt get a year before he heard it . No more excuses for Carr . Bernie Kosar in his second year in the league running a 5.3 40 yd dash would not get sacked 7 times .

Roger Clements needs to tutor Carr on having what it takes to gut it out .

So why do we pay all of the other players. To just sit around and watch the QB duke it out. I guess everbody has forgotten that the Texans are a ball control team. That means run the ball and play solid defense. In a ball control offense its not the QB's job to win the game its the QB's job is to not loose the game wich is exactly what DC did.

GP · 10-02-2005

Carr played better today.

And the more I think about it, the more I think this entire coaching staff...defense included...needs to go away.

I am seeing players actually try, but it appears we have about the most conservative offensive AND defensive playcalling in the football universe.

Their were hardly any blitzes to speak of, and the three-man rush is really beginning to irk me BIG TIME. The cushion we give WRs is about 4 yards (12 feet) more than it should be. I saw more aggression by Faggins against the WR, but I saw WRs running underneath our DB cushion and then get our LBs turned around into a position where the LB lost contain/coverage. That happened all game long, and just about every catch by the Bengals WRs happened on those underneath curls and slants.

The offense was very vanilla.

Carr didn't turn the ball over. He threw it out of bounds when he needed to, and he didn't do the pound-the-ball-into-the-turf cry baby sulking that he usually does. I give him an "A" for effort. The dude sacrificed his body on crucial QB keepers that got us a couple of first downs on different occasions.

Overall, we looked like an NFL team...a losing NFL team...but we at least resembled a team that plays in the NFL.

Frankly, the coaching staff is choking this team's players and their ability to make plays. It's time for a fresh set of coaches all the way around IMO.

metalmike · 10-02-2005

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Originally Posted by WildBlackBear32

He needs to be more like Joey Harrington, duh! You know the guy, Less touchdowns,completions and yards on more attempts than Carr, while playing on the far better offense. THE TEXANS PICKED THE WRONG ONE BUBBA!

Harrington sucks just as bad as Carr. He has 3 excellent receivers and a damm good running back, and his team still sucks. maybe not as bad as the Texans right now, nut Harrington hasn't proved anything

Bubbajwp · 10-02-2005

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Originally Posted by metalmike

Harrington sucks just as bad as Carr. He has 3 excellent receivers and a damm good running back, and his team still sucks. maybe not as bad as the Texans right now, nut Harrington hasn't proved anything

He doesnt realy think we should have gotten Joey Harrington

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Less touchdowns,completions and yards on more attempts than Carr

nunusguy · 10-02-2005

Carr's yipes didn't flare up that bad today, but then the Bengals D is not the same as the blitz crazy Steelers D. Even though DCs mental dexterity is sometimes dubious in stressful, challengeing situations, he is a player who
you have to admit has considerable talent, and that was on display today. He has a very strong, accurate arm and runs far better than all but a few other NFL OBs.
Carr and the offense so need a real TE who is not a liability for run blocking and at the same time there for them as that possession receiver over the middle for the key 1st down reception to keep a drive going. The absense of that kind of TE on the team was painfully illustrated again today when Rivers was unable to make a play on either one of those 2 consecutive passes over the middle.

Wolf · 10-02-2005

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Originally Posted by nunusguy

Carr's yipes didn't flare up that bad today, but then the Bengals D is not the same as the blitz crazy Steelers D. Even though DCs mental dexterity is sometimes dubious in stressful, challengeing situations, he is a player who
you have to admit has considerable talent, and that was on display today. He has a very strong, accurate arm and runs far better than all but a few other NFL OBs.
Carr and the offense so need a real TE who is not a liability for run blocking and at the same time there for them as that possession receiver over the middle for the key 1st down reception to keep a drive going. The absense of that kind of TE on the team was painfully illustrated again today when Rivers was unable to make a play on either one of those 2 consecutive passes over the middle.

Agreed .. sad thing is that I don't think any of the 31 other defenses in the league have a problem gameplanning for us. Same ole story

double AJ and make DD handle the ball.

MYDAUGHTER'STEXANS · 10-03-2005

Everyone wake up today we are 0-3 and yes Carr is not the franchise QB we thought he would be, face it one good year at Fresno does not make you a Peyton Manning or Michael Vick or even Tom Brady, face it David is not the answer for the Texans he will be lucky to have a job at the end of the year, he might want to hook up with Tiom Couch. as for David Carr as a person he is outstanding great with the fans a good father to his chicldren, but is not the Houston Texans franchise QB, not now not tommorrow not ever, so please move on with the Carr wreck stories, they are getting old.

10-03-2005

Carr had a 97.3 Passer Rating today with a TD and no Int's

Watch the games.

ledzeppelin229 · 10-03-2005

Once we can do some of the basic, move the chains things down to a science, we will take some more chances. But seriously if you are having trouble executing a ten yard pass play, you have no business trying more complex playcalls where the pass protection and overall offensive chemistry has to be even better.

Let me also add that Victor Riley is the anti-deep ball.

10-02-2005	#3
Wolf 100% Texan Join Date: May 2004 Location: Kerrville Age: 43 Posts: 35,812 Rep Power: 40226	I wonder if part of the problem the Texans created was when they drafted Carr they basically handed him the keys to the franchise. Not that their is anything wrong with that and he was the #1 pick in the draft it is understandable..I wonder if the problem is that Carr never has had to worry about competition. Competition is a good thing. I am not questioning Carr's work ethic, but wonder if he needs to be "pushed" __________________ People who say that they don't know what to get me for my birthday have obviously never been to a liquor store

10-03-2005	#18
MYDAUGHTER'STEXANS Veteran Join Date: Jun 2005 Location: HOUSTON Age: 44 Posts: 382 Rep Power: 8	Carr Everyone wake up today we are 0-3 and yes Carr is not the franchise QB we thought he would be, face it one good year at Fresno does not make you a Peyton Manning or Michael Vick or even Tom Brady, face it David is not the answer for the Texans he will be lucky to have a job at the end of the year, he might want to hook up with Tiom Couch. as for David Carr as a person he is outstanding great with the fans a good father to his chicldren, but is not the Houston Texans franchise QB, not now not tommorrow not ever, so please move on with the Carr wreck stories, they are getting old.

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10-02-2005	#1
utahmark markbeth Join Date: Aug 2004 Location: utah Age: 43 Posts: 1,914 Rep Power: 5935	carr is a robot if been defending him all game and still think he is gonna be a good qb for a long time. but here is my problem. it seems he has to be told every little thing for every situation. he ran out of bounds for losses the first two weeks until someone apparantly told him to throw it away instead of taking a sack. hasnt he played football his whole life. shouldnt he no that by now. also he has been coached to get rid of the ball, throw it to the rb if no one is open. doesnt he realize with 1 min left and 60 yards to go that a dump off over the middle is not an option. i guess no one went out and changed his progam for the 2 min drill. he has to start being more aware of the situation and knowing what to do without always being told. im hoping that this new less complicated offense will help. maybe his mind is just clogged with to much info. i think carr has a lot of other great abilities that other qb's dont have. but his decession making isnt always the best. guess you cant have everything. if we can start protecting him these little things wont mean as much and he will also learn as he gets more experience.

10-02-2005	#11
Honoring Earl 34 Hey Koolaid Join Date: Jan 2005 Location: Houston Age: 50 Posts: 16,738 Rep Power: 35890	A QBs job is to win the game . Flirting for a fourth year team and fourth year QB is not good enough . Warren Moon did'nt get a year before he heard it . No more excuses for Carr . Bernie Kosar in his second year in the league running a 5.3 40 yd dash would not get sacked 7 times . Roger Clements needs to tutor Carr on having what it takes to gut it out .

10-02-2005	#13
GP Go Texans! Join Date: Apr 2005 Location: TEXAS! Posts: 17,747 Rep Power: 50138	Carr played better today. And the more I think about it, the more I think this entire coaching staff...defense included...needs to go away. I am seeing players actually try, but it appears we have about the most conservative offensive AND defensive playcalling in the football universe. Their were hardly any blitzes to speak of, and the three-man rush is really beginning to irk me BIG TIME. The cushion we give WRs is about 4 yards (12 feet) more than it should be. I saw more aggression by Faggins against the WR, but I saw WRs running underneath our DB cushion and then get our LBs turned around into a position where the LB lost contain/coverage. That happened all game long, and just about every catch by the Bengals WRs happened on those underneath curls and slants. The offense was very vanilla. Carr didn't turn the ball over. He threw it out of bounds when he needed to, and he didn't do the pound-the-ball-into-the-turf cry baby sulking that he usually does. I give him an "A" for effort. The dude sacrificed his body on crucial QB keepers that got us a couple of first downs on different occasions. Overall, we looked like an NFL team...a losing NFL team...but we at least resembled a team that plays in the NFL. Frankly, the coaching staff is choking this team's players and their ability to make plays. It's time for a fresh set of coaches all the way around IMO.

10-02-2005	#16
nunusguy Hall of Fame Join Date: Jun 2004 Location: Houston Posts: 8,991 Rep Power: 183	Carr's yipes didn't flare up that bad today, but then the Bengals D is not the same as the blitz crazy Steelers D. Even though DCs mental dexterity is sometimes dubious in stressful, challengeing situations, he is a player who you have to admit has considerable talent, and that was on display today. He has a very strong, accurate arm and runs far better than all but a few other NFL OBs. Carr and the offense so need a real TE who is not a liability for run blocking and at the same time there for them as that possession receiver over the middle for the key 1st down reception to keep a drive going. The absense of that kind of TE on the team was painfully illustrated again today when Rivers was unable to make a play on either one of those 2 consecutive passes over the middle.

10-03-2005	#19
SESupergenius Guest Posts: n/a	Carr had a 97.3 Passer Rating today with a TD and no Int's Watch the games.

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