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Old 09-28-2005   #61
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Pretty soon the chearleaders will be wearing full length skirts .
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I agree with the Earl Van! COme on Mr.Mcnair, these coaches gotta go!!

Now on to what this tread was about, Jason Babin. He looked great in College, i really think it is Capers System that has alot of players not playing full speed. This D Scheme is Horrible!!! I have no Idea how he was a D.Coordinator, or a Head coach much less!!

Babin and Peek Will shine when the door hits Capers in the ars!
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Can Babin play Left tackle ? Just kidding .

I do think the Texans coaches have created the dullest pro team in sports . No scoring , no turnovers , no sacks . Pretty soon the chearleaders will be wearing full length skirts .
I agree. If we cant salvage this season, I would like to see Capers gone and get an offensive minded HC and a blitzaholic DC. Im tired of seeing our defense get teams to 3rd and long just to have them convert. We only blitz 1 guy (not including our 3 down linemen) and have the rest run around in circles till they get past the 1st down line... I wanna see us bring the heat! I want to see 6 guys flying at the QB on 3rd and 6... I want to see us overload one side of the line and force some bad throws!
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That would be great if there was a guarantee we would get to the QB.

The whole problem is obvious, we thought Babin would be that guy (lamar lathan, Pat Swilling, Kevin Greene, Greg Lloyd,) that could get to the QB in Capers system, and so far he isnt. I think part of his problem is his fascination with the spin move.. Everytime its totally ineffective. He is obviously giving himself away to the offense so they know what he is going to do he needs to change up his defensive moves and use his speed to pull the RT tackle outside then Swim back to the inside. when a QB sees his lineman moving back expecting the outside rush his natural reaction will be to step up into the pocket. If executed correctly Babin should atleast get a hand on the qb, a holding call, or ideally the sack.
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Can Babin play Left tackle ? .
Now that's a thought! Bet they would at least try anything at this point.


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That would be great if there was a guarantee we would get to the QB.

The whole problem is obvious, we thought Babin would be that guy (lamar lathan, Pat Swilling, Kevin Greene, Greg Lloyd,) that could get to the QB in Capers system, and so far he isnt. I think part of his problem is his fascination with the spin move.. Everytime its totally ineffective. He is obviously giving himself away to the offense so they know what he is going to do he needs to change up his defensive moves and use his speed to pull the RT tackle outside then Swim back to the inside. when a QB sees his lineman moving back expecting the outside rush his natural reaction will be to step up into the pocket. If executed correctly Babin should atleast get a hand on the qb, a holding call, or ideally the sack.
I see the same thing. Babin either tries the spin move or he just runs into the OT and stops. Its like he is too slow to get around the edge, and too weak to try to bull rush him. I think Babin needs to spend alot of time in the weight room.
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I think Babin tries hard he just is'nt an explosive athelete . Has anyone ever seen him knock the snot out of anyone on a tackle . I've seen Peek hit people so hard their heads snapped sideways . I bet Babin's not close to the 4.6 he ran at the combine .
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It's the tattoos man-it's the tattoos. Makes anyone look like a bad***!

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I bet Babin's not close to the 4.6 he ran at the combine .
im not sure about his speed, but last season i saw him chase down LT on the sideline and knock him out of bounce.

...too bad he got a penalty on that play though. but he does have speed.
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im not sure about his speed, but last season i saw him chase down LT on the sideline and knock him out of bounce.

...too bad he got a penalty on that play though. but he does have speed.
I think Babin is a little to heavy to be playing OLB right now. What is he 267 270? I think if he got down to 250 he would be an explosive athlete and a much better OLB
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I think Babin tries hard he just is'nt an explosive athelete . Has anyone ever seen him knock the snot out of anyone on a tackle . I've seen Peek hit people so hard their heads snapped sideways . I bet Babin's not close to the 4.6 he ran at the combine .

exactly, at the combine Babin had just shed 20 pounds and ran much faster than he is now.

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exactly, at the combine Babin had just shed 20 pounds and ran much faster than he is now.

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The commentators agreed at the time Babin was playing at way over his weight at 280 lbs and was at much more his normal weight at 260 lbs. He had been tryting to bulk up to DE in the NFL, OLB is his natural position or nothing.
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Is it better to draft a player who has to add weight before the combine or is it better to draft a player who has to lose weight to have a good combine ?
Derrick Johnson had to bulk up ... Babin had to drop twenty . If they both return to their natural weight , who has the advantage ?
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Is it better to draft a player who has to add weight before the combine or is it better to draft a player who has to lose weight to have a good combine?
the combine is all about measurables. so it depends on the position & the weight or speed required. The athletes of today are so much more specialized and toned by trainers, diet specialists, they are able to tweek their bodies as desired after their playing weight during the season. this is also a prime time for the abuse of steriods to enhance performance. my thinking would question the player who adds or losses significant weight from his listed playing weight, however there are always exceptions
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Babin never loss 20 lbs for the combide.I don't know where that came from,he did train for 4 months after his last college game in N J .I don't believe he ever played at 280.He played great against Iowa,Mich. Wis. Vir. & Vir Tech.He will become a good player for the Texans I think he played OK last year and he should improve his play this year.Why isn't anyone on this board is saying anything about his shoulder problem maybe thats why he is not playing to this boards standards.Also don't forget he didn't ask the Texans to give up 4 picks in the draft to get him.(That always keeps coming up on this board)
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There were multiple reports around the time of the draft that Babin had played as high as the low 280's and that he had lost a lot of his explosiveness at that weight, hence his label as a tweener--not a Jason Taylor, Freeney physical freak that can make 265 work at DE and not able to carry more weight on his body. Nothing wrong with that and frankly it looks to me after having watched him for a couple years like he could actually drop down to 250 or so and be faster and more effective as he still looks a little soft at 260+. As for a shoulder injury, maybe we don't give it any credit because we haven't heard anything about one. Care to fill us in?
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If you think Babin is Garbage look at who we brought in and decided not to sign..................................





For those of you who are Ravens Linebacker Impaired. They have a linebacker factor over there. That's Peter Bowlware making a play on the team we are playing this week. Instead of getting rid of Sharper, we should have paired the former back together!!!!!!

YOUNG because he still has to finish this season and play his Sr year so he will be much better than he is right now and thats scary............Chris Leak is also an option in my heart
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I think Babin is a little to heavy to be playing OLB right now. What is he 267 270? I think if he got down to 250 he would be an explosive athlete and a much better OLB

Peek is bigger than Babs Bunny (J. Babin). I dont care what the board says I saw them at the Cowgirls game up close in person and Babs is smaller and Knock-kneed!!!
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Peek is bigger than Babs Bunny (J. Babin). I dont care what the board says I saw them at the Cowgirls game up close in person and Babs is smaller and Knock-kneed!!!
You need to be more specific. Peek is taller, but Babin is heavier. Pick what you define as bigger.
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