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yaboycm

Waterboy
If you think Babin is Garbage look at who we brought in and decided not to sign..................................





For those of you who are Ravens Linebacker Impaired. They have a linebacker factor over there. That's Peter Bowlware making a play on the team we are playing this week. Instead of getting rid of Sharper, we should have paired the former
back together!!!!!!
 
This has to be in the top 10 most ignorant posts.

Boulware has played in one game with one tackle this season.

And your picture is from about 4 years ago when Kitna was the Bungles QB.
 

cadahnic

Rookie
wow, Babin has talent, but hey wouldn't you like to see him in the middle of the defense. I would like him in Greenwood's spot, except he cant cover, but he would be better at taking on blockers and making tackles. In the 80's 4-6 defense that chicago ran when the switched to a 3-4 subset they had a larger "tweener" guy next to singletary and it worked really well. it just might be something to think about.
 

yaboycm

Waterboy
the wonger need food said:
This has to be in the top 10 most ignorant posts.

Boulware has played in one game with one tackle this season.

And your picture is from about 4 years ago when Kitna was the Bungles QB.


Well, it looks like you just topped yourself.


That's because he doesn't start in their 4-3 you



Get him back with what he's used to. The 3-4.

He played the Bengals twice a year. Would be nice to have someone with that experiece on our team. Still a lot of the same players.

A crushing blow
 

yaboycm

Waterboy
Reddevil63 said:
Ahhh so we should have signed him just because we play the Bengals. Makes sense to me.
Please

Man, breaking out of the sixth grade must have really been tough for some of you huh
. Just look at that dumb look on Wolf's face. Not even gonna get into Pascual or his brother Melido. Although I think Melido may have pitched a No Hitter against the Yankees. Bowlware is a better player. Therefore, our defense would be better with him instead of Babin. It is just a coincidence that we happen to be playing the Bengals.
 

ccdude730

Veteran
do you have to post pictures in every post? i like to read message boards not look at a picture book.

babin will be back in the lineup. he is too good against the run to keep him out.
 

Bubbajwp

All Flopper
ccdude730 said:
do you have to post pictures in every post? i like to read message boards not look at a picture book.

babin will be back in the lineup. he is too good against the run to keep him out.
Ya thats getting realy annoying
 

Bubbajwp

All Flopper
yaboycm said:
(removed)the Ravens run the 4-3 now, not a 3-4 like they used to. In the NEW 4-3 he doesn't even start, they are giving their young guys a chance and subbing him in.

The Texans play the 3-4, they should have signed him. If would have been even beter if they still had Sharper becuase those two won a Super Bowl together along with
.
Just because they won a superbowl together doesnt mean anything. Ever heard of Ray Lewis. With all of the new teams switching to a 3-4 dont you think there is a reason none of them signed him.
 

yaboycm

Waterboy
Bubbajwp said:
Just because they won a superbowl together doesnt mean anything. Ever heard of Ray Lewis. With all of the new teams switching to a 3-4 dont you think there is a reason none of them signed him.
So the ultimate goal in football doesn't mean anything anymore? Makes sense. When you have someone like Ray Lewis you lock him up. That's why nobody else has tried to sign him.

Pete's like low 30's. Same as Ray, your boy that you are giving props. I think he has been injured right? Isn't that why he didn't play in the lone Ravens visit to Reliant Stadium?

Expensive? about 2 mill
 

Bubbajwp

All Flopper
yaboycm said:
So they ultimate goal in football doesn't mean anything anymore? Makes sense. When you have someone like Ray Lewis you lock him up. That's why nobody else has tried to sign him.

Pete's like low 30's. Same as Ray, your boy that you are giving props. I think he has been injured right? Isn't that why he didn't play in the lone Ravens visit to Reliant Stadium?
I wasnt saying we should get him I was saying hes a bigger reason they won the superbowl than boulware or sharper. Also ya we would have a better team today if we signed boulware and sharper. But in three or four years when they retire what would that leave us with. A good offense with abunch of veterans that we built threw the draft and a old slow defense or a very unexperienced defense.
 

yaboycm

Waterboy
We gotta win soon. Can't build for the future forever.

The Ravens couldn't afford to keep a lot of guys from that Super Bowl team.
You can only afford so many guys. They let other good ones go too, Sharper.
 

Bubbajwp

All Flopper
yaboycm said:
We gotta win soon. Can't build for the future forever.

The Ravens couldn't afford to keep a lot of guys from that Super Bowl team.
You can only afford so many guys. They let other good ones go too, Sharper.
Four or Five years is not forever.
 

yaboycm

Waterboy
This isn't the first year of the franchise. You have to start winning at some point. you can't say forever, building for the future, building for the future.
 

Bubbajwp

All Flopper
yaboycm said:
This isn't the first year of the franchise. You have to start winning at some point. you can't say forever, building for the future, building for the future.
Like I said four or five years of building for the future is not that bad.
 

Bubbajwp

All Flopper
yaboycm said:
So the ultimate goal in football doesn't mean anything anymore? Makes sense. When you have someone like Ray Lewis you lock him up. That's why nobody else has tried to sign him.

Pete's like low 30's. Same as Ray, your boy that you are giving props. I think he has been injured right? Isn't that why he didn't play in the lone Ravens visit to Reliant Stadium?

Expensive? about 2 mill
I hope your not trying to say that with sharper and boulware we would be a superbowl contender. Also by the time that the rest of our team was superbowl caliber sharper and boulware would be retired or at least close to it.
 

yaboycm

Waterboy
Hulk75 said:
This guy needs to go make a scrap book with his girl friends, with all the pictures he has.

Matt Leihnart could be your first page.

Followed by Vincent Young and Peter Boulware.

What insite. you really know your stuff. your scrapbook just has one picture of a guy who you can't even tell who he is.

When Matt Leihnart is one of the best qbs by his second season, come talk to me.

Since you hate pictures so much, never watch the tv again. It has moving pictures and might really confuse you.
 

yaboycm

Waterboy
Bubbajwp said:
I hope your not trying to say that with sharper and boulware we would be a superbowl contender. Also by the time that the rest of our team was superbowl caliber sharper and boulware would be retired or at least close to it.

No, obviously I know those two won't make a super bowl team. But it's a start to building one. Both our offense and defense need some work. You have to start building them at some point.
 

Bubbajwp

All Flopper
yaboycm said:
No, obviously I know those two won't make a super bowl team. But it's a start to building one. Both our offense and defense need some work. You have to start building them at some point.
I'm just saying if you start building a team with 30 year olds their going to be at least 33 by the time your team is a contender. Then they will either be 34,35 or retired by the time your team is a serious superbowl contender.
 

yaboycm

Waterboy
But last year we were talking about this being a playoff team. Two years ago they lost to the Super Bowl Champ in overtime. This team was progressing and now they are regressing.
 

Bubbajwp

All Flopper
yaboycm said:
But last year we were talking about this being a playoff team. Two years ago they lost to the Super Bowl Champ in overtime. This team was progressing and now they are regressing.
I dont think they are regressing I think they did regress by loosing some of their veterans but there not still getting worse. The problem is we didnt replace the veterans with good young players we replaced them with average young players. Yes this delayed our team but they should be better in the long run and there is a better chance of building a dynasty threw young players.
 

yaboycm

Waterboy
Bubbajwp said:
I dont think they are regressing I think they did regress by loosing some of their veterans but there not still getting worse. The problem is we didnt replace the veterans with good young players we replaced them with average young players. Yes this delayed our team but they should be better in the long run and there is a better chance of building a dynasty threw young players.





 

outofhnd

Rookie
Interesting...

If we signed Boulware doesn't he naturally play ROLB (Peek's position)? When he was in the 3-4 scheme? I think he was supposed to transition to another spot after Terrell Suggs spent a year learning the 3-4 ROLB position... However, Boulware went down in 04 suggs started and suggs just basically took the position from Boulware.

But hey he is being subbed in at LOLB in their 4-3 alternating with Adalius Thomas who is the starter... We looked at him but didnt like what we saw.. as did the raiders and chiefs..

Maybe its just me but I don't think we are missing much except the possibility that we spent all this money on Boulware only to see Babin start because Boulware's knee couldnt hold up to fulltime action. I would have liked to see us keep Sharper. However I think we are ok without Boulware.
 

jppaul

Cut and Dry
ccdude730 said:
do you have to post pictures in every post? i like to read message boards not look at a picture book.

babin will be back in the lineup. he is too good against the run to keep him out.
Unfortunately, We are in the fifth grade and need pictures to understand. Yeah!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Nap Time!
 

Hookem Horns

Texans Talk Bartender
Staff member
If you want to make an argument about Babin, at least stay in the same draft and don't make cases about older players that should have been signed.

Oklahoma LB Teddy Lehman was on the board when the Texans grabbed Babin. Lehman went a few picks later to Detroit.

I liked Lehman in college and he was the leader on that OU defense. I was hoping the Texans would grab him and was initially disappointed when they took Babin over him. Admittedly, I knew nothing to very little about Babin so I figured the Texans knew what they were doing. One area of concern I did have was that he was going to be a project, going from DE to LB.

The Lions have been real high on Lehman and as a pro, so far Lehman is looking like the better of the 2.

As far as stats go, last year Babin had 51 tackles and 12 assist. Lehman had 75 tackles and 27 assist. Of course there are other intangibles besides stats, and after seeing Babin for a year, I think Lehman brings more of those to the table such as leadership ability and being smarter on the field.

But what do I know, I am just simple fan with an opinion.
 

Johnny Utah

Rookie
Bubbajwp said:
Four or Five years is not forever.
It hasn't taken Dallas nearly that long under Parcells to turn themselves into a playoff contender. In 4 years Casserly has us in the running for one of the worst teams in the league.
 

touttail

Rookie
You as a coach or GM can't predict what a player will do in the future. All you have to go by is what they did in the past (and hope they produce for you) and Babin looked pretty damn good on paper with Western Michigan, made All American, set school records in sacks, etc.


Prospect Profiles


Jason Babin
Position: Defensive End
College: Western Michigan
Height: 6-2
Weight: 260
Hometown: Paw Paw, Mich.

Analysis | Agility | High School | Personal

OVERVIEW
Outstanding pass rusher and two-time All-American who is one of the fastest down linemen in the game of football … The former high school state wrestling champion also excels on special teams, using his excellent leaping ability to block three punts during his career … The Defensive Hard Hat Award winner also saw time on offense the last two years, blocking in the Power-I formation … Started 25 of 47 games for the Broncos, recording 299 tackles (202 solos) with 38 sacks for minus-188 yards, 75 stops for losses of 283 yards, 43 quarterback pressures, eight forced fumbles, two fumble recoveries, two pass deflections and three receptions for 35 yards (11.7 avg) … His 38 sacks topped the old school career-record of 34 by Joel Smeenge (1986-89) and his 75 stops behind the line of scrimmage broke Smeenge's previous WMU record of 66.
ANALYSIS
Positives: Has good body structure with a thick chest, broad shoulders and developing thighs and calves … Leader by example who needs to be accounted for by the opponent … Plays with pain, practices hard and has outstanding character off the field … Has good short-area quickness and acceleration, quickly locating the ball … Shows above-average lateral agility and good effort in his pursuit to the ball … Effective wrap-up tackler who stays low in his pads and drives hard with his legs to rock the ball carriers back … Very effective edge rusher who uses his hands well to grab and maintain position … Has good flexibility and knee bend to get down the line of scrimmage … Has the sudden burst to close on the quarterback and inside run plays.
Negatives: Timed speed is deceptive, as the player shed 20 pounds before his workout and generally plays in the 280-pound range … Not as explosive when he's at his playing weight … Shows strength against the run, but does not split the double team or neutralize blockers when engaging in head-up action … Weight-room strength does not translate to the football field (would rather elude than take on the blocker) … Uses his hands well, but is not a hit-and-shed type … Best pass rushing off the edge, as he would rather not take on and defeat the offensive tackle or tight end (tries to throw rather than use shed moves to disengage).

AGILITY TESTS
Timed at 4.69 in the 40-yard dash … 460-pound bench press … 540-pound squat … 383-pound power clean … 405-pound incline press … 34-inch vertical jump … 9-foot-8 broad jump … 4.03 in the 20-yard shuttle … 33 1/8-inch arm length … 9 7/8-inch hands … Right-handed.
HIGH SCHOOL
Attended Paw Paw (Mich.) High, playing football for coach Dave Warmack … Named All-Kalamazoo Valley Association first-team choice … Missed most of the 1998 season after breaking his leg in the season opener … Two-time team Defensive MVP … State wrestling champion.
PERSONAL
Criminal Justice major … Born May 24, 1980 in Kalamazoo, Mich. … Resides in Paw Paw, Mich.
Courtesy of NFLDraftScout.com, Powered by The Sports Xchange


bobby 119C
 

Bubbajwp

All Flopper
Johnny Utah said:
It hasn't taken Dallas nearly that long under Parcells to turn themselves into a playoff contender. In 4 years Casserly has us in the running for one of the worst teams in the league.
Dallas had a playoff team the year that parcels took over. There record was 10-6. Can you guess what the Texans record was when Capers took over. Im not trying to make excusses for capers or casserly. I want to see them outta here just like everybody else. The Cowboys didnt have to build from scratch when Parcells took over. Most of his top defensive players were already there Roy Williams, Dat Nguyen, Laroi Glover, Greg Ellis, Dexter Coakly, and Terrance Newman in the 2003 draft the year parcells tooke over.
 

touttail

Rookie
Bubbajwp said:
Dallas had a playoff team the year that parcels took over. There record was 10-6. Can you guess what the Texans record was when Capers took over. Im not trying to make excusses for capers or casserly. I want to see them outta here just like everybody else. The Cowboys didnt have to build from scratch when Parcells took over. Most of his top defensive players were already there Roy Williams, Dat Nguyen, Laroi Glover, Greg Ellis, Dexter Coakly, and Terrance Newman in the 2003 draft the year parcells tooke over.
Parcels is a no nonsense coach, who doesn't take **** from anyone. His philosophy is: Put out or get out! He is definitely a HOF Coach.

bobby 119C
 

Bubbajwp

All Flopper
touttail said:
Parcels is a no nonsense coach, who doesn't take **** from anyone. His philosophy is: Put out or get out! He is definitely a HOF Coach.

bobby 119C
Trust me I agree I would trade Capers for Parcells any day.
 

Malloy

Hall of Fame
yaboycm said:
What insite. you really know your stuff. your scrapbook just has one picture of a guy who you can't even tell who he is.

When Matt Leihnart is one of the best qbs by his second season, come talk to me.

Since you hate pictures so much, never watch the tv again. It has moving pictures and might really confuse you.
__________________
Leinart
OR YOUNG
So, how exactly do you want to spell Leihnart... Leinart.. lamer?

Horrible posts, horrible picture-book. Go scream at old ladies if you want the attention so bad...
 

yaboycm

Waterboy
Malloy said:
So, how exactly do you want to spell Leihnart... Leinart.. lamer?

Horrible posts, horrible picture-book. Go scream at old ladies if you want the attention so bad...
You have nothing interesting to say.

Since when were so many people against pictures?

You better not own a camera
 

yaboycm

Waterboy
jppaul said:
Unfortunately, We are in the fifth grade and need pictures to understand. Yeah!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Nap Time!
If you want to make an argument about Babin, at least stay in the same draft and don't make cases about older players that should have been signed.

Unfortunately you are right. New Rule according to this guy: From now on, we can't talk about replacing any of our guys with free agents, only guys who were available in the draft of the guy we want to replace.

We can't talk about bringing in a new quaterback, you can only talk about guys we could have picked instead of Carr like Harrington.
 

infantrycak

Hall of Fame
yaboycm said:
For those of you who are Ravens Linebacker Impaired. They have a linebacker factor over there. That's Peter Bowlware making a play on the team we are playing this week.
This thread is a non-starter. Boulware himself recognized his 3-4 OLB days were over as a full time starter and admitted he would need to play at 4-3 DE or as a situational OLB.

PS--while Babin is on the bench, the Texans have evidently announced he will come in on 3rd downs against the Bengals according to 610 am.
 

Johnny Utah

Rookie
I heard on 610am this morning that Babin will start coming in on 3rd down in pass rushing situations. He will be our pass rushing specialist.


LOL :rolleyes:
 

Paragon Blue

Waterboy
I hope I didn't make a mistake getting my Babin jersey. Do you guys really think that he is that bad or do you feel that he will be able to bounce back from this. :crying:
 

touttail

Rookie
Paragon Blue said:
I hope I didn't make a mistake getting my Babin jersey. :
I know exactly where you are coming from Paragon Blue. I have 3 Jamie Sharper jerseys.
When they cut Sharper, I ordered a personal jersey with MY NAME and MY FOOTBALL NUMBER on it. The Texans can't cut me-----LOL. Texan fan 4-ever!
I am a big person and my jersey cost big bucks, $250.00.


bobby 119C :texflag:
 

Paragon Blue

Waterboy
At the Steelers game there was some guy behind me that kept yelling Babin sucks. I didn't want to turn around but I think he was directing it at me. So the next time he said it I turned around and yelled the whole team sucks and he just kind of looked at me weird. :grouphug:
 

Huge

All Pro
touttail said:
I know exactly where you are coming from Paragon Blue. I have 3 Jamie Sharper jerseys.
When they cut Sharper, I ordered a personal jersey with MY NAME and MY FOOTBALL NUMBER on it. The Texans can't cut me-----LOL. Texan fan 4-ever!
I am a big person and my jersey cost big bucks, $250.00.


bobby 119C :texflag:
Ah...the benefit of being able to purchase throwback jerseys (Roger Staubach, Troy Aikman, Emmitt Smith, etc.). :)
 

Davis37

Rookie
touttail said:
Parcels is a no nonsense coach, who doesn't take **** from anyone. His philosophy is: Put out or get out! He is definitely a HOF Coach.

bobby 119C
That's the same strategy I use with women!!! :jk:
 

Exascor

Veteran
Paragon Blue said:
Do you guys really think that he is that bad or do you feel that he will be able to bounce back from this.
I felt his main problem was that he was timid. He seemed to run right into blockers or always seemed to slow down right before getting to the QB. It was as if he was thinking stuff like "What is my assignment?" "Should I tackle him high or low?" "Is the ball going to be thrown before I get to him?" "Am I going to get a penalty if I tackle him?"

Maybe being a situational pass rusher will allow him to regain the confidence he had in College to get to the QB every now and then. I think most DEs converted to OLB begin in the pass rusher role anyways. Someone with more knowledge could confirm this. Just a hunch.
 

WiiBrawler

WiiMan
Why did the texans sign Morlon Greenwood? Its all his fault, if he didnt sign, Sharper would still be here, we'd be allowing around 20 23 points a game. Why did the texans trade for Phillip Buchanon he is a pansy, he doesnt
know what he is doing out there, we could have drafted a leginemnt reciever and a Pass Proctecter.

I miss Jamie Sharper and Aaron Glenn
 
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