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Old 09-25-2005   #1
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Both looked like injuries that were season ending, but can't be sure. But they were both carted off, unable to walk at all.

Matt Light is the left tackle who can handle Freeney. Big loss!

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This is a very entertaining game between 2 tremendous teams. I can't get over the pass protection each OL is giving its QB. How good is the Steelers D, hey we know about that but NEs OL is so good they give Brady time in
the pocket. And Brady is talented - he has burnt that Steeler blitz a couple of times that did a number on Carr and the Texans last week.
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Hey, that's why they are the SB champs - go into Pittsburgh and win a
really big game like that. My only problem with the Pats is that so much football talent is wasted on Boston. Don't get me wrong, spent a weekend there once and really enjoyed seeing Bean Town, but they don't have real
football fans there. That place is all about Hockey and Basketball when it comes to sports. I'll bet there's not but 2 or 3 locals that play for Boston
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I can't get over the pass protection each OL is giving its QB.
That's what's making me so ******* mad about the Texans. They've made it so I can't even enjoy another NFL football game.

You know what? **** the Texans, and the horses they rode in on.



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[quote=nunusguy]Hey, that's why they are the SB champs - go into Pittsburgh and win a
really big game like that. My only problem with the Pats is that so much football talent is wasted on Boston. Don't get me wrong, spent a weekend there once and really enjoyed seeing Bean Town, but they don't have real
football fans there. That place is all about Hockey and Basketball when it comes to sports. I'll bet there's not but 2 or 3 locals that play for Boston
Colleges football team.




heard of the red sox?
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heard of the red sox?
You're so right and I stand corrected, major faux pau on my part. I do know
the Red Sox are huge up there. But I have the distinct impression that football at the grass roots level (scholastic), in New England is about as important as lacrosse is in Texas.
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That's what's making me so ******* mad about the Texans. They've made it so I can't even enjoy another NFL football game.

You know what? **** the Texans, and the horses they rode in on.



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Now don't go lose all hope Marcus. Of course the year is off to the worse start of any in our young franchises history and the whole year may be a failure, but you gotta think long-term. Teams can go from say 4-12 one
year to 11-5 the next (and vice versa) - we have examples of this every year in the NFL in these times. And its just hard for me to believe our basic level of talent (to include the OL), is that inferior, notwithstanding a few glaring mistakes it looks like we may have made in personnel decisions. Whether its Carr, the OL, coaching staff, whatever, I got a lot of faith in
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Hey, that's why they are the SB champs - go into Pittsburgh and win a
really big game like that. My only problem with the Pats is that so much football talent is wasted on Boston. Don't get me wrong, spent a weekend there once and really enjoyed seeing Bean Town, but they don't have real
football fans there. That place is all about Hockey and Basketball when it comes to sports. I'll bet there's not but 2 or 3 locals that play for Boston
Colleges football team.

Depends how you define locals. If you are going by New England players(which you should as before UConn, BC was the only D-1 School in New England), then BC has quite a few. I just looked it up, didn't do a straight count, but I'd say there are about 20 New England players playing at BC(Including a childhood friend of mine, who I just found out plays there...All 6'3 361 of him lol )


Edit:Yahoo listed him as 361. Turns out BC's site lists him as 243...LOL! There is a small difference there...)

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Depends how you define locals. If you are going by New England players(which you should as before UConn, BC was the only D-1 School in New England), then BC has quite a few. I just looked it up, didn't do a straight count, but I'd say there are about 20 New England players playing at BC(Including a childhood friend of mine, who I just found out plays there...All 6'3 361 of him lol )
Edit:Yahoo listed him as 361. Turns out BC's site lists him as 243...LOL! There is a small difference there...)
OK, but I'm not talking about guys who just suit up for games, or even front
line reserves. I'm talking about starters. If you have a substantial fraction
of starters from the NE area (Mass, Maine, Conn), then I'd have to say I'm a victim of my own regional prejudices re sports preferences. But I tend to
think the vast majority of the starting players will come from places like PA and other states beyond NE.
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Hey, that's why they are the SB champs - go into Pittsburgh and win a
really big game like that. My only problem with the Pats is that so much football talent is wasted on Boston. Don't get me wrong, spent a weekend there once and really enjoyed seeing Bean Town, but they don't have real
football fans there. That place is all about Hockey and Basketball when it comes to sports. I'll bet there's not but 2 or 3 locals that play for Boston
Colleges football team.
No offense, but that's a load of steamin' chrappe. Call Gillette Stadium and put your name in for season tickets. There's a waiting list numbered in the thousands. Since 2001, this area has been Patriots crazy. The Sox obviously are still #1 in this town, but the Bruins? Celtics? Those games never sell out anymore.

This area doesn't produce a lot of professional football players, but that has nothing to do with the fan base. "Real" football fans? Try sitting in Gillette Stadium when it's -40 with the windchill. You'll be crying in your beer for the cozy domed confines of your oversized high school field house!


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I got no sympathy when a dirty player gets injured.

Matt Light was a big loss, you could see that in the pass protection, without him the Patriots looked like the Lions / Texans.
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OK, but I'm not talking about guys who just suit up for games, or even front
line reserves. I'm talking about starters. If you have a substantial fraction
of starters from the NE area (Mass, Maine, Conn), then I'd have to say I'm a victim of my own regional prejudices re sports preferences. But I tend to
think the vast majority of the starting players will come from places like PA and other states beyond NE.
Porter = Starting QB = Maine
Whitworth = Starting RB = Mass
Blackmon = Starting WR/CB = Rhode Island
Gonzales = Slot WR = Mass
Pruitt = Starting LB = Mass
Willis = Rotating DE = Mass
Silva = Safety = Rhode Island
Cherilus = Starting RT = Mass

If you expand the "region" with just New York, you get a whole new can of worms.
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No offense, but that's a load of steamin' chrappe. Call Gillette Stadium and put your name in for season tickets. There's a waiting list numbered in the thousands. Since 2001, this area has been Patriots crazy. The Sox obviously are still #1 in this town, but the Bruins? Celtics? Those games never sell out anymore.

This area doesn't produce a lot of professional football players, but that has nothing to do with the fan base. "Real" football fans? Try sitting in Gillette Stadium when it's -40 with the windchill. You'll be crying in your beer for the cozy domed confines of your oversized high school field house!


"Since 2001" - Wow...all the way back then, huh?

And why aren't the Celtics and Bruins selling their games out anymore? I know they used to when they were winning titles.

Pointing out their attendance success after they won Super Bowls is not an indication of their devotion. How long was the season ticket list before then?
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To be fair, very few teams consistently sell out their stadiums when bad product takes the field.

But back OT, does anyone else get the feeling that the Patriots could lose Harrison and still win games regardless? Man, envy envy envy on this football fan's part. It must be nice.

Great game, though! Games like that are why I'm a pro-football fan...where I can watch any given game, regardless if my team is in it, because football rules. I can't say that about other sports, IMO. Reason I'm a football fan and not necessarily a "sports" fan.
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To be fair, very few teams consistently sell out their stadiums when bad product takes the field.
Cleveland does.
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"Since 2001" - Wow...all the way back then, huh?

And why aren't the Celtics and Bruins selling their games out anymore? I know they used to when they were winning titles.

Pointing out their attendance success after they won Super Bowls is not an indication of their devotion. How long was the season ticket list before then?
Exactly what I thought of when I read that. When you guys can sell out every home game after going through 3 losing seasons and a 4th thats not looking so great, then you can say how devoted your fans are. We just can seem to get our fans out of the parking lot and into their seats...
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And Cleveland is one of the very few I was talking about.
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"Since 2001" - Wow...all the way back then, huh?

And why aren't the Celtics and Bruins selling their games out anymore? I know they used to when they were winning titles.

Pointing out their attendance success after they won Super Bowls is not an indication of their devotion. How long was the season ticket list before then?
Before you jumped all over my comment, the point was that since 2001 the Patriots have shared the bulk of New England's collective sports consciousness with the Red Sox. The season ticket waiting list actually goes back to 1995, after Bill Parcells took over and when Drew Bledsoe was a young star on the rise. I'm not a moron, so please don't go there.

You're forgetting that this team was the doormat of the NFL for a lot of years. Anyone recall who was playing quarterback for the Patriots in, say, 1992, just to throw out a year?

I would also point out that places where stadiums sell out, despite how bad the team may be (someone mentioned Cleveland, so let's stick with that as an example), have -- at the very least -- some kind of championship past. The Browns won titles, so the area's culture was infused with football. Plus it's Ohio, of course. Conversely, if your team has a history of futility and no titles or glory to look back upon, you're not going to build a lasting fan base. Prior to 2001, the Patriots were a joke. Their best player and only Hall of Famer is an offensive guard. Their stadium was an aluminum can, they were constantly threatening to move to St. Louis, and they had one Super Bowl appearance that was memorable for a 350-pound lineman scoring a rushing TD against them. 46-10 was the score of SB20, in case you missed it.

There was no "tradition of winning" here in football prior to 2001. You can think of us as Johnny-Come-Latelys if you want, but I've been watching since the days when Jim Plunkett didn't wear silver-and-black and instead chucked footballs in Foxboro. Making a generalization that all northeasterners are football ignorants is like me saying anyone from the south is (fill in any stereotypical cultural insult that you want... I'd rather not).

And I know how much it must have sucked to have the Oilers move to Tennessee. You can't compare a Texas city that LOST a football team and regained one to any other city. Of course you're going to have a strong fan base, no matter what. That's a no-brainer. Maybe at some point your team will actually give you something to cheer about. The Red Sox left us hanging for decades, and still sold out. I'm sure Reliant will too.
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Porter = Starting QB = Maine
Whitworth = Starting RB = Mass
Blackmon = Starting WR/CB = Rhode Island
Gonzales = Slot WR = Mass
Pruitt = Starting LB = Mass
Willis = Rotating DE = Mass
Silva = Safety = Rhode Island
Cherilus = Starting RT = Mass
If you expand the "region" with just New York, you get a whole new can of worms.
If those guys are all starters, then you've obviously got something like a third or more of the 22 starters from NE, and thats a higher percentage than what I would have thought. As far as including players from NY, I don't think of that state as being in the area that is thought of as NE, but being from Maine you would know more about that than me.
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If those guys are all starters, then you've obviously got something like a third or more of the 22 starters from NE, and thats a higher percentage than what I would have thought. As far as including players from NY, I don't think of that state as being in the area that is thought of as NE, but being from Maine you would know more about that than me.
Nah, NY isnt part of New England, but it sure seems like it when you travel in the "big" part of New York(not LI or NYC) from it being so damn deserted lol.
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