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Old 09-23-2005   #21
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When you look at what is happening with this team you see you have a HEAD COACH who wants to RUN HIS SYSTEM despite what the GM has provided him. The talent Casserly has surrounded CAPERS with does not fit CAPERS mold. The result is a square peg being forced into a round hole. Doesn't work very well and that is the crux of the matter.
I am starting to come to the same conclusion. By the revealing look at the news the past couple of weeks (learning that Capers and Palmer didn't get along and liked completely different offenses), it wouldn't be that much of a stretch to wonder if Casserly and Capers are even on the same page.

Capers does seem rather stubborn to run his game, regardless of what the other team is doing. You might get away with this if you've built a team like the Steelers, but I'd rather have a coach that takes what the team is made of and works from there (like Bill Belichick).

The past three seasons have definitely taken a toll on Carr. He has(had) so much potential, but the past couple of games he's looked kinda' burnt out and even shell shocked. But that goes back to the head coach, as well, since he decided to play a rookie QB behind a line and team that had absolutely zero experience together.

The next fourteen games is Coach Capers' test, as far as I'm concerned. I think the team will give Carr a chance to prove himself behind a decent line at some point in the next season (or three), and then we'll see what happens to our QB.
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I didn't know someone poured beer on his wife. What an *******. Well that aside I support DC. I think it sucks for him to get drilled on the field like he has been. Hopefully this season turns around - stranger things have happened. But hang in there DC. We've got love for ya here in H-town.
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Carr does want to leave houston, dont try and deny it. But can you blame him? The team made no effort in getting a lineman (Pace was just using us) or getting a reliable second option. The coordinators installed an awful short game not using Carr's strengths. The play calling is awful in all situations. If David stays in Houston he is likely to only have a 6 year carrer. A body can only take so much. Carr is full of talent and potential but until the awful GM and coaching staff are gone, none of that potential can be realized. I hope Mr. McNair builds the franchise around David instead of around Casserly. Once an effort is made to help him I have no doubt he will stick around. If this doesnt happen in the next year we can expect to see him out the door.
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.........McClain has said on Nashville radio Carr agent has told all who will listen he wants out.............but John says that many in the league think he is the problem


That statement has GOT to be false or misunderstood, Bongo59.

Let's analyze this for a second:

1. Reporters make a living on getting reliable sources. I know because this was my college major for a few years. I changed majors when I saw the utter hypocritical mess you get into when you work as a reporter. ALmost all reporters think they are world changers, and all I wanted to do was be an objective reporter...found out quick that that's not the way it works in the real world of major news reporting.

2. Reporters want to keep reliable sources handy for future stories so they can access those sources. You have "named sources" which are people who go on the record for what they're telling the reporter--These sources say things that are generally public record and not so secretive or damaging that it would cost them their job where they work: Their names are used in the story and follow their quoted material with something like "according to John Smith, director of public information." Then, you have "unnamed sources" who are secret and WILL NOT go on the record for what they say. They leak information and want to stay anonymous to protect them against getting fired or even put into jail for what they tell a reporter: The quote is written, and then it generally says "according to unnamed sources" after the quote. Reporters are notorious for even going to jail THEMSELVES for not revealing an unnamed source if a court orders the reporter to reveal the source. Now, there's no crime here with the Carr agent situation...but reporters will still follow that credo even in non-legal situations. They protect their sources at all costs. They know who butters their bread.

3. If McClain were to (A) Say that Carr's agent is advertising Carr to any team that will listen, and then McClain also said (B) Many in the NFL think that Carr IS the problem and not the team he plays for, then you have one heck of a problem here. Which leads me to closing arguments:

4. McClain would BURN himself to Carr's agent for doing this, and he would likely BURN himself with that particular league source who says Carr is the problem--But, maybe not so much with the league source since he might not have named the league source. Not sure because I don't have all the details. But, if you say McClain said that Carr's agent said those things...then Carr's agent will probably not trust McClain any more after McClain doing that. Agents have a way of sneaking around and meeting with other teams under the cloak of secrecy. They don't need McLame to do their dirty work for them. Lastly, McClain, if he did say those things, is jeopardizing his future with other potential sources for future stories because those sources fear that McClain will burn them like he did Carr's agent.

Trust me, I DOUBT that Carr's agent would make this a public statement when he could do his job secretly and get just as far by doing it hush-hush as he could by "using" McLame's national radio address to the millions of NFL fans that cannot get enough of McLame's brilliant commentary.

If you can find a transcript of this report, or any ink on this...I would love to see it. I'm not saying you're lying. It just doesn't seem like McClain would go so far as to name Carr's agent in this analysis he made on his radio address.
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i think JM got this from other folks who had his agent say it to them........i think he intimated that they are already putting out feelers for when Carr can walk...............but he also implied the line of takers maybe awfully slim...............and these ascertions interestingly enough were being talked about this morning on Sirius radio..............i think it does have merit..............you guys live in houston i would suggest you drop JM a line or pay him a visit............he is a great guy.
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I see. So it's a third-person type of situation. That covers McClain a little bit more since he can say he heard it from someone who heard it from someone, etc.

Thanks for the info.

Very interesting.
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Say Carr does leave , I think I'd trade down with the high #1 pick I'm about to get and Build a OL first .
Matt L. with out an OL is going to have problems .

I want my next QB to have been the MAN in college and high school . Carr was a late bloomer who I guess has'nt bloomed . I'm thinking of QBs who were the man .
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This is an example theres more , these guys are leaders .
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I agree, same thing happend to Dallas with Drew Henson.
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I think our intent is to bring in 5 kick returners, 3 punt returners and a corner trained by Bu-cannon, who will replace Dunta.

We'll then have each returner try out, and the best returners will be substituted in as left tackles. We'll then place Casserly in as QB, and see how the season goes.

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I think Carr will be gone next year because he gets a 8 million roster bonus next year, if the texans dont pay it he is a free agent. I think its the best thing for him because the management is clueless. You had at least 3 years to get some OL help and they have not done it.

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I think Carr will be gone next year because he gets a 8 million roster bonus next year, if the texans dont pay it he is a free agent. I think its the best thing for him because the management is clueless. You had at least 3 years to get some OL help and they have not done it.

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Carr will be in Fresno this Tuesday night for the retirement of his number. I'm working in Fresno next week so I'm going to try and get tickets to the Bulldogs.
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Carr will be in Fresno this Tuesday night for the retirement of his number. I'm working in Fresno next week so I'm going to try and get tickets to the Bulldogs.

He sure won't learn much of the new offense between the hurricane and not being there Tuesday when practice starts up again.
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I want my next QB to have been the MAN in college and high school . Carr was a late bloomer who I guess has'nt bloomed . I'm thinking of QBs who were the man .
P. Manning
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Steve Mcnair
Dante Culpepper
Big Ben

Mcnabb

This is an example theres more , these guys are leaders .
McNair, Culpepper, and Roethlisberger were so much "the man" in high school that they went to Alcorn State, Central Florida, and Miami (the Ohio variety), respectively. Many D-I schools thought so much of McNair's QB ability they offered Steve a scholarship as a safety.
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He sure won't learn much of the new offense between the hurricane and not being there Tuesday when practice starts up again.
With this new invention called the "jet airplane", Carr should be able to practice on Tuesday and still be in Fresno on Tuesday night. Unbelievable.
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I saw it happened. I can turn around in my seats and see the Carr's suite. When everyone was booing David thats when my wife and I turned to see what Carr's family reaction was and then when saw the ***** pour his beer over the edge. Within 5 minutes the ***** was taken away and that was the last we heard of the *****.

Boo if you want, jeer if you must, yell if you feel you need to. Pouring beer on a nother person is as low a thing as you can do and cannot be tolerated. I wish they escorted the guy outside and let fans pour non alcoholic odouls on him
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lucky I caught a fish . Culpepper could have gone anywhere , but he chose to stay close to home . Same as Mcnair , who's brother I believe played for Alcorn . I' m not sure about Ben .

These guys put their schools on the map as nobody has before or since .
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With this new invention called the "jet airplane", Carr should be able to practice on Tuesday and still be in Fresno on Tuesday night. Unbelievable.
What is unbelievable is you being a moderator and making posts like that.

It still takes a lot of time out of your day to fly to and from Fresno.
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I recall hearing that Ben only started as QB for his senior year of HS, and that was the biggest reason he didn't get scholarship offers from bigger schools.
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By the way, Carrs numbers are pretty much the same as Brady's for yards, QB rating and completion percentage. True the TD to Int ratio is better, but there were a LOT more yards for Carr. We tend to run the ball in when in the red zone, so fewer TDs.
To bad those numbers dont mean anything, wins do. Dont compare DC to Brady. Its a landslide in Brady's favor.
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Ben threw 54 TDs his senior year in high school . He turned down the Ohio State to be a 4 year starter at Miami of Ohio. Thats Lucky .

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