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Old 09-21-2005   #1
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"Have they failed because their coaches did a lousy job? Or have they failed because they've made too many personnel mistakes?"
http://www.chron.com/cs/CDA/ssistory.mpl/sports/3362957
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Good. Justice seems to be the only media member that will take the organization to task and ask the tough questions.
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"Have they failed because their coaches did a lousy job? Or have they failed because they've made too many personnel mistakes?"
http://www.chron.com/cs/CDA/ssistory.mpl/sports/3362957
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thats a great article - it sure seems like Pendry ain't afraid to upset people.
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The Texans have flubbed so many drafts it is now sinking them.............it is unfathomable what they gave away to get Babin who is just bad and that they never have upgraded the OL via the draft...........TWade was a tremendous waste of money, McKinney is not worth a 7th rounder, and Seth Wand was a huge reach.............I never thought much of Carr but he is not getting a chance with that OL.............I think Carr is now going to be wearing Joey Harrington's tag............I heard John McClain yesterday and he he thinks the drafting of CC and Capers will cost them their jobs soon............John thinks the Texans are done this yr................Cant say i am surprised but i think the Texans have to call a game toprotect Carr soon...............AJ is not a threat because everytime he runs a 10 yd pattern Carr is under duress.....................
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:brickwall Hindsight is always 20/20 , but we have passed on alot of good players . The fall of Charlie Casserly in DC was trading up to get Desmond Howard . Sound familar ?
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Old 09-21-2005   #6
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And he picked Heath Shuler
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And he picked 8 of the starting defensive players on the last Redskins Super Bowl team, according to Richard Justice on SR610 this morning. Justice went on to say that he was pretty sure Casserly picked Schlereth as well. Casserly is not as bad as y'all like to make out. He could have drafted Clinton Portis and our coaching stff would not have developed him into the Clinton Portis you see today. Drafting is only the first step. Athletically, there's not much separating these players when they come out of college. What separates the wheat from the chaff are things like 4.3 speed versus 4.45 (.15 second, think about it), a height of 6'2" versus 5'11", etc. Physically, there's not a ton of difference. It's the mental aspects and how quickly they learn things that determine their success in the NFL. There's really no solid way to measure that, which is why you see players coming out of nowhere and doing well. Many of the later round draft picks would probably do well if given the chance, but for various reasons, they seldom are given that shot.
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This article lost all credibility for me when it made this statement:

(In reference to a top 5 player at his poistion)
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Do the Texans have another player or two even in contention? Chester Pitts? Possibly. Antwan Peek? Perhaps.
Thinking that Peek and Pitts are top 5 is absolutely ludicrous. Peek has produced 1 sack and pretty much no hurries in what has been almost entirely single coverage by the opposing Tackle and TE. Pitts is a solid starter at best.
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This quote toward the end of the article makes me laugh:

"One game can turn a team around. The Texans were 0-2 last year, too, and headed for a third straight defeat when Marcus Coleman intercepted a Trent Green pass and returned it 102 yards for a touchdown against Kansas City.

The Texans rallied around that one play and won four of five. They became a different team in style and substance.

Capers showed his players statistics from last season's 0-2 start. He told them there was a "blueprint" for saving this season."

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It's that get-out-of-jail-free card that people like Capers use to save their jobs each year.

Forget turning it around when you're down 0-2. You get no pat on the back from me for that.

How about just starting 2-0, Dom? Seems it would be easier on everyone.

But, hey...a little duck tape and some bailing wire should patch us up and we'll be right back on the winning track, eh?

The same old routine of doing just enough is wearing me thin.
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This article lost all credibility for me when it made this statement:

(In reference to a top 5 player at his poistion)


Thinking that Peek and Pitts are top 5 is absolutely ludicrous. Peek has produced 1 sack and pretty much no hurries in what has been almost entirely single coverage by the opposing Tackle and TE. Pitts is a solid starter at best.
What would be your break down on the percentage of pass plays Peek has been tasked to drop into coverage or just hold the flat vs. actually rush the passer?

Pitts is an above average starter with crud around him, IMO.
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This quote toward the end of the article makes me laugh:

"One game can turn a team around. The Texans were 0-2 last year, too, and headed for a third straight defeat when Marcus Coleman intercepted a Trent Green pass and returned it 102 yards for a touchdown against Kansas City.

The Texans rallied around that one play and won four of five. They became a different team in style and substance.

Capers showed his players statistics from last season's 0-2 start. He told them there was a "blueprint" for saving this season."

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It's that get-out-of-jail-free card that people like Capers use to save their jobs each year.

Forget turning it around when you're down 0-2. You get no pat on the back from me for that.

How about just starting 2-0, Dom? Seems it would be easier on everyone.

But, hey...a little duck tape and some bailing wire should patch us up and we'll be right back on the winning track, eh?

The same old routine of doing just enough is wearing me thin.
While on the one hand a coach has to come up with something positive to say for the fans, this one struck me as hollow as well.

Last year when we were 0-2 Carr had thrown for 542 yds and the issue was clearly not a lack of offense but one of turnovers with Carr having thrown 3 INT's and DD having fumbled 4 times. This year Carr has thrown for 237 yds plus we have the same turnover ratio of -6. Last year we could say, stop making mistakes and we have a chance and we did and won. This year it is hope our QB can actually revert, hope the team gets any O going and stop making mistakes. We may win the next 14 games, but there is no reason to predict it at this point.
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You guys are such pessimists. It's only 2 games into the season, and while they have not looked good at all, they are still making changes and looking for ways to turn it around. You never know!! We've seen crazier turnarounds in Houston (remember a 1-4 team winning 11 in a row to make it 12-4? )

I am surprised, though, that all the experts around here have had such a tough time finding a job with an NFL team.
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And he picked Heath Shuler

First of all, he selected the Redskins selected Desmond Howard because Gibbs wanted him. Turner fought with Gibbs over that selection but Gibbs had the final say and he wanted a "strong Christian".

Regarding Shuler, Norv Turner wanted Shuler and Casserly relented.


I'm also somewhat alarmed with Casserly's personnel decisions. I think the Buchanan trade is a huge red flag. However, it's also important to be fair about things. He did a lot of good things in Washington and those two examples were not of his doing.
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First of all, he selected the Redskins selected Desmond Howard because Gibbs wanted him. Turner fought with Gibbs over that selection but Gibbs had the final say and he wanted a "strong Christian".

Regarding Shuler, Norv Turner wanted Shuler and Casserly relented.


I'm also somewhat alarmed with Casserly's personnel decisions. I think the Buchanan trade is a huge red flag. However, it's also important to be fair about things. He did a lot of good things in Washington and those two examples were not of his doing.
So if you are giving him credit that those two picks were not his, then there are probably more picks that should be accredited to the coaches as well. What picks did the coaches make that turned out to be good, there couldn't have been just 2 instances where a coach wanted a pick and they turned out bad, there had to be some where coaches wanted a player and they turned out good. So basically our GM is not strong and let's the coaches decide who they want? Then we don't need Casserly if he is so weak.
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Top 10 OLB for Peek? Not even close. I can think of a lot who are way better than him:

Keith Bullock
Takeo Spikes
Julian Peterson
LaVar Arrington
Derrick Brooks
Mike Vrabel
Keith Brooking
Joey Porter
Andre Carter
Derrick Johnson
Kendrell Bell
Willie McGinnist
etc.

As for a top 10 Guard, here are who is better than Pitts by a landslide
Will Shields
Alan Faneca
Mike Wahle
Larry Allen
Steve Hutchinson
and lots more
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I really don't see Justice as anything more than another good board poster around here. we have & share alot of good ideas on this mesage board (thanks Vinny) for those who follow the draft and offseason moves he is flat out right, "they've made too many personnel mistakes?"

blame the players for lack of execution, blame the coaches for accountability & blame Casserly for NOT delivering the goods
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So basically our GM is not strong and let's the coaches decide who they want? Then we don't need Casserly if he is so weak.
I'm glad we have a GM that listens to input from his coaching staff about players. It would seem to be the right thing to do-get the players that the coaches think they need to win. It does seem like he does whatever it takes to get the deals done to please his coaches though. Maybe our coaching staff/scouting dept really have weak player evaluation skills. If Fangio and Hoke are responsible for Babin and Buchanon then maybe they should be the next limbs to be chopped off.
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Yes and whoever is responsible needs to be accountable, Capers or Casserly or Hoke or [insert name] here, whoever it is, needs to be held to the fire. I say it all starts at the top and works down. The general is always the one to lead.
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So if you are giving him credit that those two picks were not his, then there are probably more picks that should be accredited to the coaches as well. What picks did the coaches make that turned out to be good, there couldn't have been just 2 instances where a coach wanted a pick and they turned out bad, there had to be some where coaches wanted a player and they turned out good. So basically our GM is not strong and let's the coaches decide who they want? Then we don't need Casserly if he is so weak.
Well, when you step into Betherd's shoes and Joe Gibbs has just won his 3rd superbowl, you really don't have the authority to go against his wishes. That situation was simply a matter of circumstance.

Regarding the Shuler draft, Casserly has since acknowledged that he made a mistake and regretted allowing Norv to push him into that one. I'm hopeful that we haven't been watching that go on again with picks like Babin last year. But, you're certainly right to at least be concerned about it.
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Pendry may not be the guy you want standing next to you at the office Christmas party. He's so blunt you'd be afraid to ask him to freshen your eggnog. But he may be the perfect fit for the NFL's most confused offense.
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I am liking this guy already.

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this is exactly what Carr needs. Someone to TEACH him how to be an NFL QB, obviously Palmer has failed completely in this area, IMHO. I for one am beginning to get some optimistic feelings back already.
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