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Old 09-20-2005   #1
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i think so. i believe he had a bad rep in Oakland for not playing to his potetial. Well i think he showed that when he let the running back run right by him for a touchdown in the Pittsburg game. i would like to see another clip of that if any one can post it. i want to be wrong by the way, so if anyone has another view on the subject please feel free.
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I don't know if Buchanon is a bust or not, but I'll say that two games is way too small a sample size for any NFL player. If that's a sufficient amount of data to judge someone, then I'd like to think that Swinton made this team. I posted it on another thread - I just don't quite get the Buchanon benching. Granted, his play has been poor the past two games, but was he really worse than 9-10 other guys on defense? And after two entire games as a Texan, at that? At least Babin has had 18 regular season games to show us what a bust he is. If the coaches had Buchanon on such a short leash, why bother acquiring the guy? If they really felt that he was a viable upgrade, or even lateral move from AG, then they have to give him more than two games. If they were apprehensive about his performance, based on his career thus far, then why bother acquiring the guy? Something is screwy with that.
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I was in section 117 and I say right in front of me Pukechanon he tried to tackle parker by pulling a matt stevens and throwing his arm around parkers waist what a joke............

I understand kinda buchanon had to get used to the D MY **** he did cover like a corner should you twit ((pointed towards 31 not anyone on the board)). You know when Robinson was a rookie last year he got picked on last year but look what a great year he had and o's left him alone towards the end of the yr there is no excuse for 31's play it has been a half-stepping effort by him i saw two times in the Steelers game not 100 feet in front of me him become burnt toast.. dont blame this one on the coaches or 10 other guys blame this one on the player who should be riding the pine he wasnt trying to play just going through the motions.........

Why do you think the raiders where so quick to let him go. you think the raiders would have let him go so quick if he was a shut down corner.... or at best a decent backup....

You know what the funniest thing about all this... I have seen clips of AJ juking and running right past a corner from the Raiders can anyone guess who that was,,,,,,,,, hmmm lets think maybe i dont know BUCHANON......


This guy is getting paid millions, he had better get off his butt and get better or be hitting the street where no nfl team will want him ..........

I say take our chances with Faggins and lets move on,,,
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I've got a feeling (yeah, I know..) that P-Buc can develop into a bad-*** corner, given the motivation and coaching needed. However I do fully support benching the dude, I see it more as a slap over the wrist, to let him (and others) know that it's not acceptable not to give 100% and that there are reprecussions for slacking off. Since monday it seems that the coaches are _finally_ focussing (at least officially) on the morale/spirit/spunk/heart of the players, something that, IMO, should have been issued MANY months ago. Oh well, better late than never.
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This guy is getting paid thousands. This is a make or break year for him. I am more upset that we lost AG, a second round pick, and a high 3rd round pick for this guy. We could have kept AG and let Faggins move into the role later in the year. CC totally hosed this one. I will let your imagination think about what having those extra picks could have done for the depth of the team. Maybe another OL to compete or another LB. I think I would have taken AG and a couple of rookies over Pbuc anyday.

On the positive side, Pbuc is playing the tough side of the secondary. The DL is not occupying enough OL to allow the LB's in the backfield. I think Babin is a fall guy for the no pressure onfrom the front seven when it Walker who is supposed to draw the RT and RG from that side to help Babin put pressure on the QB. With TJ playing I believe we will see more pressure from that side. In turn, the secondary's job is easier and Pbuc will not look as bad. I hope he has a date with a tackling dummy during the bye week.

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Watching AG get burned twice in the final minutes made me feel better about the PB acquisition. ...............NOT
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This guy is getting paid thousands. This is a make or break year for him. I am more upset that we lost AG, a second round pick, and a high 3rd round pick for this guy. We could have kept AG and let Faggins move into the role later in the year. CC totally hosed this one.
I believe his salary is $700k this season ....make or break .... If he wants a BIG MONEY contract .... Yes , without a doubt .
I agree , I'd rather have AG , Faggins and those two draft picks than P-Buch , They could have used them on numerous positions that need help .

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I think Babin is a fall guy for the no pressure onfrom the front seven when it Walker who is supposed to draw the RT and RG from that side to help Babin put pressure on the QB. With TJ playing I believe we will see more pressure from that side.
Up until this game against the Steelers I think Babin has played pretty well , He is USUALLY very good against the run ....I saw on a couple of occasions against the Steelers that he was sealed off by a pulling guard on running plays ... His job is to force the play inside .... even when sealed off he did this but the DB's and other LB's werent around to finish the play .

Babins weakness is what was suppose to be his strength ..... His pass rushing skills arent what you would like in his position .... He does have the speed and strength required for the position but I think the level of competition he faced in college allowed him to rely on those physical attributes along and never develop much tecnically .... It may take him 2-3 years to figure it all out and become a force on the outside ... Then again he may never put it all together .

As for G-Funk .... I havent been high on him since the first season .... last season he was pathetic , the year before he was injured . If they were going to release any player on the D form last season Walker should have been that player .... followed by Foreman . He may as you say have caused a trickle down effect in the pass rush .
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ERIADOC - I couldn't disagree MORE with you. Did you watch the game? Did you notice in periods 1 and 2 #31 was doing nothing but running around near the play, out of position, turned the wrong way, etc!!! I have watched many, many games for years. Sometime during a gome I would comment about the play of a certain player on a certain play. Never, Never did I jump off the couch at half time, go upstairs, start the computer to see WHO THE H*** IS #31!!! And when he played 2 hand touch on the td play, that did it! I had to go get another blood pressure pill. His attitude ********. "We made mistakes"!!! No, Phillip, start the sentence with the first person singular. "I didn't feel like playing today!" You bet he deserves to be put on the bench - the closest one to the door!
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That is the biggest understatement I have heard in a while. I posted this on texanstalk.com however since it was brought up here I will post it here also...

"Can you acquire a player as good as Phillip Buchanon in the second round of the draft?" Casserly said. "The answer is no. Now you're giving up a third-round pick. Your percentage of players drafted in the third round becoming starters is 30 percent or less. You're weighing that when you make this decision. When we finish the draft, we know we got a starter in the second round ... we know we got the best player drafted in the second round this year."

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Hmm, you can't acquire a player as good as P Burnt in the 2nd round? Maybe you cannot Mr. Casserly (Joppru comes to mind). If you really believe that than I feel our organization is doomed as long as you are in charge. Even drunk Raider fan knew P Burnt was toast. Did you even bother watching any tape of this guy?? I guess it really doesn't matter. If you would have kept our pick you probably would have made another "brilliant" draft day decision.
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I don't know if Buchanon is a bust or not, but I'll say that two games is way too small a sample size for any NFL player.
Normally I would agree with you, but that single play when PB totally evaded
contact with the Pitt RB at the Texans 5 - hey, that was a classic. That play would have been remarkable in a meanless preseason game, but this was the
Texans' regular season home opener. And given the need of a maximun effort by the Texans Sunday after their inept game week before in Buffalo, it was a
situation requiring the coach to bench PB if there ever was a time for such an action.
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i think so. i believe he had a bad rep in Oakland for not playing to his potetial. Well i think he showed that when he let the running back run right by him for a touchdown in the Pittsburg game. i would like to see another clip of that if any one can post it. i want to be wrong by the way, so if anyone has another view on the subject please feel free.
I gotta go with this. Maybe AJ and DROB getting on him will help, but I bet it just makes him worse. And he actually stopped and backed up to let the RB score. That's an act of cowardice. i kinda like all the moving and shaking happening. At this stage, why not let it all hang out and see what happens?
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Anyone have a screenshot of the "OLE" play?
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ERIADOC - I couldn't disagree MORE with you. Did you watch the game? Did you notice in periods 1 and 2 #31 was doing nothing but running around near the play, out of position, turned the wrong way, etc!!! I have watched many, many games for years. Sometime during a gome I would comment about the play of a certain player on a certain play. Never, Never did I jump off the couch at half time, go upstairs, start the computer to see WHO THE H*** IS #31!!! And when he played 2 hand touch on the td play, that did it! I had to go get another blood pressure pill. His attitude ********. "We made mistakes"!!! No, Phillip, start the sentence with the first person singular. "I didn't feel like playing today!" You bet he deserves to be put on the bench - the closest one to the door!
I knew when I typed my post that I wouldn't be able to convey what I was trying to say properly on a message board. As I stated, I am in no way defending Buchanon's play. And I really don't have an issue with his benching. It just strikes me odd that they would go to the lengths that they did to acquire him, only to give him a 2-game leash. I guess what I am saying is I have a problem with them acquiring ANY player, giving up as much as they did, if they aren't going to really give that player a chance. In Buchanon's specific case, I agree that his play has been terrible, and most fans love to pile on when they see things like that (myself included). Most NFL teams, however, won't bench a player after a 2-game sample size unless they have very little invested. It just struck me as odd.

I am not defending Buchanon in any way.
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Anyone have a screenshot of the "OLE" play?
Now that's funny. But was it an "OLE" play or a "OMG PLEASE DON'T HURT ME!!!!!!!!!!!" play?
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It just strikes me odd that they would go to the lengths that they did to acquire him, only to give him a 2-game leash. I guess what I am saying is I have a problem with them acquiring ANY player, giving up as much as they did, if they aren't going to really give that player a chance. In Buchanon's specific case, I agree that his play has been terrible, and most fans love to pile on when they see things like that (myself included). Most NFL teams, however, won't bench a player after a 2-game sample size unless they have very little invested. It just struck me as odd.
Buchanan proved he was a bust in Oakland before the Texans ever acquired him. The Raiders fans were laughing when they got what they did for him. Some Raider fans just wanted him cut from the team and never imagined that someone would be stupid enough to trade anything for him.

I have questioned some of Casserly's moves in the past but kept quiet. This deal was the straw that broke the camel's back and is why I think Casserly should be fired.
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Buchanan proved he was a bust in Oakland before the Texans ever acquired him. The Raiders fans were laughing when they got what they did for him. Some Raider fans just wanted him cut from the team and never imagined that someone would be stupid enough to trade anything for him.
I guess my point is that if the Texans thought this might be the case, even to the point that they give him a 2-game leash, then why bother? To me, if you make that deal, you better darn well be sure enough in his abilities that you don't worry about two bad games.

This just adds more fuel to the anti-Casserly fire and unlike some of it, this bit of fuel is warranted, if he supports this benching. Otherwise, we'll never have a greater sampling of data by which to judge this acquisition. I am not great with analogies, but the GM of the Chargers probably received a fair bit of heat over the Brees draft pick. They had a much greater sample size to go on, so that heat was warranted. But then Brees turned it on, so is he now a good pick by the GM? A poor pick that got coached well? A good pick that was coached poorly and then figured it out on his own? With only two games to go on, Buchanon can only be judged a bust.

I keep saying two games only because, IMO, the front office had to be discounting Buchanon's performance as a Raider, else they would never have made the deal. Right? Come on, please tell me I'm right!
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After watching the Buffalo and Pittsburgh game, its obvious Buchanon isn't what we thought he could be. How many times has he been thrown on in the first 2 games, i know it's alot. It's like they intentionally thow at him, and i don't blame them, it's working so far.
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I don't think a question mark belongs behind the words "Buchanon a bust". I think that's a given. It's his 4th year in the league and he just got sent to the bench in favor of a guy taken in the 6th round of the same draft who's got a good motor and very ordinary abilities.

The question isn't whether or not Buchanon is a bust. The question is how did the Raiders convince the Texans brain trust that he wasn't. We're all a bunch of fans so basically it's been my observation that we don't know squat about much of anything. Oh sure, we all think we know what we're seeing (I'm including myself here) but the truth is that very few of us had a clue that Buchanon was going to be so bad. On the other hand that's what the Texans front office gets paid to do for a living. Buchanon's been on film for three years, someone should have figured out that he wasn't worth a 2 and a 3.
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despite all the negative press that surrounded Buchanon in Oakland, i really though a change of scenery, teammates and coaching staff would show he can be an effective defender.

obviously that's not been the case, and it's unfortunate. i have to throw in the towel as far as #31 is concerned.

my main concern now lies with Casserly and his staff learning from their mistakes.
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