Next Move Scrap the 3-4 - Houston Texans Message Board & Forum

JfromthaTray · 09-19-2005

The steelers showed us how a 3-4 is supposed to be executed. We don't have the studs up front or the linebackers for the scheme. Peek can go back to his original position as a rush end. Walker and Payne at tackle and have Johnson replace babin on the other side at end. Or put whoever wherever, bottom line is we don't have the personnel for the 3-4.

Bubbajwp · 09-19-2005

Quote:

Originally Posted by JfromthaTray

The steelers showed us how a 3-4 is supposed to be executed. We don't have the studs up front or the linebackers for the scheme. Peek can go back to his original position as a rush end. Walker and Payne at tackle and have Johnson replace babin on the other side at end. Or put whoever wherever, bottom line is we don't have the personnel for the 3-4.

Thers just one problem with this idea. That is we dont have the personnel for a 4-3 either. How does that happen. How

tiger06 · 09-19-2005

Peek/Walker/TJ/Babin
Anderson/Payne/Smith/Orr

or any combination

then there's the LBs..

eh....

rittenhouserobz · 09-19-2005

Anything is possible. I would put Payne and TJ at DT. Peek and Smith DE. Wong could play inside LB, Greenwood WLB and Babin SLB. It can be done. It is a matter of training and determination. If they switch to that though, then I would say do it now. That way our players will have experience before the Next season rolls around.

**eriadoc** · 09-19-2005

The team ran 4-man fronts quite a bit yesterday, for those of you who may not have noticed. I really love how people come on here bashing the 3-4 defense. It's not the scheme, folks. It's the coaching, personnel acquisition, and execution. Who do you have for your four down linemen? Payne, Smith ... Walker? He may be suffering a significant injury. TJ? He's a rookie. Ioane? Journeyman that makes a few plays but realistically wouldn't start for at least 25 of the 32 NFL teams.

The bottom line is these guys don't get pressure on the QB. Payne has actually done a good job this season, in what he is asked to do. The offsides penalties are boneheaded, and he doesn't get a pass for them, but his play once the ball is hiked has been good. I haven't paid as much attention to Smith. Johnson, in limited play, hasn't really impressed me yet, but he's a rookie. Babin and Peek definitely are not impressing me. Wong and Greenwood are doing a pretty good job, IMO, as is CC Brown. It's just really hit and miss right now.

GP · 09-20-2005

If we ran mostly four-man fronts....then we're not running a 3-4.

So....basically, we have a 4-3?

Just more confusion.

I know. I know. The "beauty of the 3-4" is that you can sometimes sneak a fourth man up to the line and confuse the offense! (This is where I giggle like a little girl and put my hand up to my mouth...).

It don't work none.

Forget the 3-4 and just use the biggest four fat guys on the line, put the next fattest three guys at LB, and put the next least fattest four guys in the defensive backfield. How is that too hard for this team to figure out?

I get the job!

09-20-2005

Zzzzzzzzz

You basically have your 4-3, it doesn't matter there either. Wake up and smell the Fangio.

**Kaiser Toro** · 09-20-2005

Usually I carry a very optimistic take. This appears to be very systemic and there is no light at the end of the tunnel, other than the cheerleaders. The players seem to have given up since there is not one leader on this team.

Stay with the 3-4 and measure the front office based off of this system since they own it and the players they brought into run it. This will make it much easier to cut the ties at the end of the season and move on.

Davis37 · 09-20-2005

If we did go to a 4-3 this is how i would see it.

Coleman Earl
Wong/????/Greenwood
Drob Peek/TJ/Smith/Babin Pburnt

Not quite sure what i would do at MLB, possibly aquire one in the 2006 draft. I think we would trade/cut Payne and keep Walker for backup or vice versa.

jacquescas · 09-20-2005

obviously if we have too many quality DTs and no MLB then we obviously don't have the personel to run in yet, but the change would only take a season.

Corrosion · 09-20-2005

Wong would most likely be the ILB in a 4-3 system .... He did play ILB when with Minn. ..... In a 4-3 .Greenwood and Babin would play the two outside spots with Peek moving to DE ... Payne Smith and johnson would be the other DL

BeerTastesLikeVictory · 09-20-2005

4-3 / 3-4 who gives a S**T, just get rid of buchannon - No heart = No job. Take a loss on this one it will be worth it. I would rather see some kid from the practice squad and put him in as long as he is willing and motivated. Can someone please sit P-buc down and force him to watch "Rudy" a few dozen times before Cincy. Rant over.

touttail · 09-20-2005

Lincoln's address: Word of caution on the 3-4

By Lincoln Kennedy
Special to NFL.com

But there's a catch: When using the 3-4 defense, your linebackers have to be your best athletes. And you also better have some pretty strong, but very unselfish, defensive linemen up front.

I think any coach that tries to use the 3-4 defense has to be patient. Don't rush to install it before you have the personnel to play it.
http://www.nfl.com/nflnetwork/story/8792811

bobby 119C

TexasJedi · 09-20-2005

Scrap Fangio next! If teams like San Diego can implement the 3-4 in a single offseason to great effect, then it has to be Fangio's implementation that's at the heart of the problem. I think the talent is there, for the most part.

**PapaL** · 09-20-2005

There is another thread about this same subject:

http://www.houstontexans.com/fan_zon...ad.php?t=12507

09-20-2005

Quote:

Originally Posted by touttail

Lincoln's address: Word of caution on the 3-4

By Lincoln Kennedy
Special to NFL.com

But there's a catch: When using the 3-4 defense, your linebackers have to be your best athletes. And you also better have some pretty strong, but very unselfish, defensive linemen up front.

I think any coach that tries to use the 3-4 defense has to be patient. Don't rush to install it before you have the personnel to play it.
http://www.nfl.com/nflnetwork/story/8792811

bobby 119C

3-4 defenses last year were as a collective better than the 4-3.

Davis37 · 09-20-2005

Quote:

Originally Posted by corrosion

Wong would most likely be the ILB in a 4-3 system .... He did play ILB when with Minn. ..... In a 4-3 .Greenwood and Babin would play the two outside spots with Peek moving to DE ... Payne Smith and johnson would be the other DL

Yes Wong did play MLB at Minn, but I personally like him at OLB in a 4-3. I agree that Greenwood would play OLB, but not Babin... Babin would be a defensive end in a 4-3.

09-19-2005	#1
JfromthaTray Veteran Join Date: Apr 2005 Posts: 108 Rep Power: 9	Next Move Scrap the 3-4 The steelers showed us how a 3-4 is supposed to be executed. We don't have the studs up front or the linebackers for the scheme. Peek can go back to his original position as a rush end. Walker and Payne at tackle and have Johnson replace babin on the other side at end. Or put whoever wherever, bottom line is we don't have the personnel for the 3-4.

09-19-2005	#4
rittenhouserobz Hall of Fame Join Date: Apr 2004 Posts: 1,100 Rep Power: 11	Anything is possible. I would put Payne and TJ at DT. Peek and Smith DE. Wong could play inside LB, Greenwood WLB and Babin SLB. It can be done. It is a matter of training and determination. If they switch to that though, then I would say do it now. That way our players will have experience before the Next season rolls around. __________________ We are all born ignorant, but one must work hard to remain stupid. Ben Franklin

09-20-2005	#8
Kaiser Toro Native Mod Join Date: Sep 2004 Location: Straight Outta Austin Age: 43 Posts: 15,889 Rep Power: 19756	Usually I carry a very optimistic take. This appears to be very systemic and there is no light at the end of the tunnel, other than the cheerleaders. The players seem to have given up since there is not one leader on this team. Stay with the 3-4 and measure the front office based off of this system since they own it and the players they brought into run it. This will make it much easier to cut the ties at the end of the season and move on. __________________ Texans 2012: Kidz II Men

09-20-2005	#9
Davis37 All Pro Join Date: Mar 2005 Age: 29 Posts: 507 Rep Power: 9	If we did go to a 4-3 this is how i would see it. Coleman Earl Wong/????/Greenwood Drob Peek/TJ/Smith/Babin Pburnt Not quite sure what i would do at MLB, possibly aquire one in the 2006 draft. I think we would trade/cut Payne and keep Walker for backup or vice versa. __________________ "This team is being run by a bunch of monkeys" ~Vinny

09-20-2005	#11
Corrosion Hall of Fame Join Date: May 2004 Location: Northwest Houston Age: 44 Posts: 26,948 Rep Power: 58096	Wong would most likely be the ILB in a 4-3 system .... He did play ILB when with Minn. ..... In a 4-3 .Greenwood and Babin would play the two outside spots with Peek moving to DE ... Payne Smith and johnson would be the other DL __________________ I have no tolerance for stupidity.

09-19-2005	#3
tiger06 Veteran Join Date: Sep 2004 Location: Texarkana, TX Age: 24 Posts: 265 Rep Power: 9	Peek/Walker/TJ/Babin Anderson/Payne/Smith/Orr or any combination then there's the LBs.. eh....

09-19-2005	#5
eriadoc Texan-American Join Date: Aug 2004 Posts: 15,334 Rep Power: 69629	The team ran 4-man fronts quite a bit yesterday, for those of you who may not have noticed. I really love how people come on here bashing the 3-4 defense. It's not the scheme, folks. It's the coaching, personnel acquisition, and execution. Who do you have for your four down linemen? Payne, Smith ... Walker? He may be suffering a significant injury. TJ? He's a rookie. Ioane? Journeyman that makes a few plays but realistically wouldn't start for at least 25 of the 32 NFL teams. The bottom line is these guys don't get pressure on the QB. Payne has actually done a good job this season, in what he is asked to do. The offsides penalties are boneheaded, and he doesn't get a pass for them, but his play once the ball is hiked has been good. I haven't paid as much attention to Smith. Johnson, in limited play, hasn't really impressed me yet, but he's a rookie. Babin and Peek definitely are not impressing me. Wong and Greenwood are doing a pretty good job, IMO, as is CC Brown. It's just really hit and miss right now.

09-20-2005	#6
GP Go Texans! Join Date: Apr 2005 Location: TEXAS! Posts: 17,747 Rep Power: 50138	If we ran mostly four-man fronts....then we're not running a 3-4. So....basically, we have a 4-3? Just more confusion. I know. I know. The "beauty of the 3-4" is that you can sometimes sneak a fourth man up to the line and confuse the offense! (This is where I giggle like a little girl and put my hand up to my mouth...). It don't work none. Forget the 3-4 and just use the biggest four fat guys on the line, put the next fattest three guys at LB, and put the next least fattest four guys in the defensive backfield. How is that too hard for this team to figure out? I get the job!

09-20-2005	#7
SESupergenius Guest Posts: n/a	Zzzzzzzzz You basically have your 4-3, it doesn't matter there either. Wake up and smell the Fangio.

09-20-2005	#10
jacquescas Hall of Fame Join Date: May 2004 Age: 33 Posts: 1,323 Rep Power: 10	obviously if we have too many quality DTs and no MLB then we obviously don't have the personel to run in yet, but the change would only take a season.

09-20-2005	#12
BeerTastesLikeVictory Custom Title Join Date: Nov 2004 Location: Houston, TX Age: 34 Posts: 1,083 Rep Power: 6708	4-3 / 3-4 who gives a S**T, just get rid of buchannon - No heart = No job. Take a loss on this one it will be worth it. I would rather see some kid from the practice squad and put him in as long as he is willing and motivated. Can someone please sit P-buc down and force him to watch "Rudy" a few dozen times before Cincy. Rant over.

09-20-2005	#13
touttail All Pro Join Date: Nov 2004 Location: Baytown Age: 58 Posts: 948 Rep Power: 9	Lincoln's address: Word of caution on the 3-4 By Lincoln Kennedy Special to NFL.com But there's a catch: When using the 3-4 defense, your linebackers have to be your best athletes. And you also better have some pretty strong, but very unselfish, defensive linemen up front. I think any coach that tries to use the 3-4 defense has to be patient. Don't rush to install it before you have the personnel to play it. http://www.nfl.com/nflnetwork/story/8792811 bobby 119C

09-20-2005	#14
TexasJedi Hall of Fame Join Date: Apr 2004 Location: Houston Age: 36 Posts: 1,001 Rep Power: 11	Scrap Fangio next! If teams like San Diego can implement the 3-4 in a single offseason to great effect, then it has to be Fangio's implementation that's at the heart of the problem. I think the talent is there, for the most part.

09-20-2005	#15
PapaL Loose Screw Join Date: Sep 2004 Location: Maryland Age: 32 Posts: 8,630 Rep Power: 16635	There is another thread about this same subject: http://www.houstontexans.com/fan_zon...ad.php?t=12507 __________________ Tried and true, I'm rep'in Texan (Steel) Blue.

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