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STEEL BLUE TEXANS · 09-19-2005

don't let the door hit you on your way out

playoff year please · 09-19-2005

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Originally Posted by touttail

21 run salute-----

Nope, just 1st down run, 2nd down run, 3rd down scramble, and 4th down punt.

bobby 119C :brickwall

Lets be safe....Throwing could be intercepted, and we don't want turnovers....Lets 1st run 2nd run 3rd punt. This way our punter has a run option, then if he runs we can punt on 4th.

BlueBull40oz · 09-19-2005

I dont think this was the answer.
Ive heard Palmer wanted to be more aggressive, but was forced to conform to Capers "ball control" type offense. I thought the offense should take more chances, and not rely so heavily on the running game to open up the passing game so much.

Since the game was such a blow out I listened to 790am yesterday.
The national media was reporting:
David Carr is on the hot seat!!!
"The Texans are getting WORSE and not better"

playoff year please · 09-19-2005

Quote:

Originally Posted by BlueBull40oz

I dont think this was the answer.
Ive heard Palmer wanted to be more aggressive, but was forced to conform to Capers "ball control" type offense. I thought the offense should take more chances, and not rely so heavily on the running game to open up the passing game so much.

Since the game was such a blow out I listened to 790am yesterday.
The national media was reporting:
David Carr is on the hot seat!!!
"The Texans are getting WORSE and not better"

So true. The Texans move the ball more when they throw on first down. IMO. The reports were that Palmer was doing what he was told to do by Capers.

BREAZE · 09-19-2005

Quote:

Originally Posted by BlueBull40oz

I dont think this was the answer.
Ive heard Palmer wanted to be more aggressive, but was forced to conform to Capers "ball control" type offense. I thought the offense should take more chances, and not rely so heavily on the running game to open up the passing game so much.

Guys, its a message...not the answer.

HardKnockTexan · 09-19-2005

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Originally Posted by BREAZE

Guys, its a message...not the answer.

so true. wonder who gets the next "message???"

tsip · 09-19-2005

This I've got to see! Pendry was fired by Capers at Carolina for being conservative and unimaginative, just like the Texans offense. Two different OC, same HC-guess who really ran/runs these offenses?? Too, both Palmer and Pendry have been sucessful OC's under other head coaches, where they actually functioned as the OC. I don't know who replaced Pendry at Carolina but he obviously didn't work out since Capers was fired at the end of that season.

Now, here's the good part--either Capers swallows a big chunk of ego and lets Pendry really be the OC or he will be 'outta here.'...stay tuned!!

BREAZE · 09-19-2005

The more you start to chew on this the funnier it gets. I love McNair...he is a savy as they come! What a message!

I would be suprised if both Capers and Pendry make it to season's end though.

Hervoyel · 09-19-2005

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Originally Posted by BREAZE

Guys, its a message...not the answer.

Yeah, but "the message" tells me that Bob McNair doesn't even understand where the problem is much less how to fix it. There have been few things in our teams short history that I found less comforting than watching them pretend that getting rid of Chris Palmer was the right thing to do.

I'm as disgusted today as I was last week when they lost to Buffalo. I didn't get disgusted yesterday at the game no matter how much I tried. I just couldn't muster up the necessary emotion to do so.

SBTexans08 · 09-19-2005

bout damn time!!! Definitely a message, no answer!!

HardKnockTexan · 09-19-2005

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Originally Posted by Hervoyel

Yeah, but "the message" tells me that Bob McNair doesn't even understand where the problem is much less how to fix it. There have been few things in our teams short history that I found less comforting than watching them pretend that getting rid of Chris Palmer was the right thing to do.

I'm as disgusted today as I was last week when they lost to Buffalo. I didn't get disgusted yesterday at the game no matter how much I tried. I just couldn't muster up the necessary emotion to do so.

so McNair should of done nothing. Just let us field the poor excuse for a team the remainder of the season....
right?

BREAZE · 09-19-2005

Quote:

Originally Posted by Hervoyel

I'm as disgusted today as I was last week when they lost to Buffalo. I didn't get disgusted yesterday at the game no matter how much I tried. I just couldn't muster up the necessary emotion to do so.

Yea, the outcome was a lot like the playcalling...

TexansFanatic · 09-19-2005

There's something at the heart of all this that really pains me to think about. This organization (the Texans) is perhaps deeply flawed at its very core. When a head coach is not allowed to choose his own offensive coordinator at the outset, one who reflects his own philosophy, the team is ultimately doomed to suffer this kind of result. A conservative system can work brilliantly if you have the proper personnel and adhere to the philosophy from start to finish. An aggressive, wide open attack can work brilliantly if you have the proper personnel and adhere to the philosophy from start to finish. But to put a head coach with a conservative mindset together with an offensive coordinator with the opposite mindset, you are condemning that organization to failure. I think very highly of Charley Casserly, but I feel he should have allowed Capers to hire his own guy from the beginning.....

09-19-2005

Just heard (here at work) that Palmer's been fired.... can anyone confirm??

**Double Barrel** · 09-19-2005

yep, go to the Bull Pen for more details and news article links.

Hervoyel · 09-19-2005

Quote:

Originally Posted by HardKnockTexan

so McNair should of done nothing. Just let us field the poor excuse for a team the remainder of the season....
right?

McNair should have sent Capers packing, let Palmer run it on an interim basis for the rest of the season, and then decided which direction to go at the end of the year. We've seen three whole seasons of Dom-Ball. They told us it was our limited expansion playbook but it was really what our offense was supposed to be all along.

Bring on the losing streak. To paraphrase Jack Nicholson in Batman; "This team needs an enema!"

**Wharton** · 09-19-2005

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Originally Posted by Texans 533

Just heard (here at work) that Palmer's been fired.... can anyone confirm??

Wrong Board for this post

DefLord · 09-19-2005

Why not just bring in Jack Pardee - maybe he can set up the Run and SHoot like the good ole Gambler days! God I miss Jim Kelly and his Run and Shoot crew!

playoff year please · 09-19-2005

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Originally Posted by DefLord

Why not just bring in Jack Pardee - maybe he can set up the Run and SHoot like the good ole Gambler days! God I miss Jim Kelly and his Run and Shoot crew!

As long as your not woried about clock management. Run and shoot would work with Carr and Davis. Our receivers, backs and quarterback are made for run and shoot.

**beerlover** · 09-19-2005

bottom line Palmer was frustrated with Carr and the offensive inability to exacute his game planning. its much easier to replace the offensive cordinator than the franchise QB. I saw the shot gun offense several times, which I like with Carr (gives him time to read the defense better & OL to create the protection) but he refused to stay in the pocket or step up into the hole his linemen created to complete the play. for this Palmer gets the ax

09-19-2005	#67
tsip Hall of Fame Join Date: May 2005 Posts: 1,277 Rep Power: 12	Caper Change Offensive Philosophy?? This I've got to see! Pendry was fired by Capers at Carolina for being conservative and unimaginative, just like the Texans offense. Two different OC, same HC-guess who really ran/runs these offenses?? Too, both Palmer and Pendry have been sucessful OC's under other head coaches, where they actually functioned as the OC. I don't know who replaced Pendry at Carolina but he obviously didn't work out since Capers was fired at the end of that season. Now, here's the good part--either Capers swallows a big chunk of ego and lets Pendry really be the OC or he will be 'outta here.'...stay tuned!! Last edited by tsip; 09-19-2005 at 12:41 PM.

09-19-2005	#68
BREAZE Veteran Join Date: Aug 2005 Age: 42 Posts: 280 Rep Power: 0	The more you start to chew on this the funnier it gets. I love McNair...he is a savy as they come! What a message! I would be suprised if both Capers and Pendry make it to season's end though. Last edited by BREAZE; 09-19-2005 at 12:35 PM.

09-19-2005	#70
SBTexans08 All Pro Join Date: Apr 2004 Location: 3rd Coast Age: 33 Posts: 677 Rep Power: 10	bout damn time!!! Definitely a message, no answer!! __________________ MY XBOX 360 GAMER PROFILE

09-19-2005	#74
Texans 533 Guest Posts: n/a	Palmer Fired?!? Just heard (here at work) that Palmer's been fired.... can anyone confirm??

09-19-2005	#75
Double Barrel Moderator Join Date: Oct 2004 Section: Gridiron, Texas Age: 46 Posts: 27,063 Rep Power: 81571	yep, go to the Bull Pen for more details and news article links. __________________ "FOOTBALL IS ONLY A DIVERSION." ~ HOUSTON TEXANS In Memoriam - 20 little angels

09-19-2005	#61
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09-19-2005	#63
BlueBull40oz waterboy Join Date: Sep 2005 Age: 38 Posts: 2 Rep Power: 0	I dont think this was the answer. Ive heard Palmer wanted to be more aggressive, but was forced to conform to Capers "ball control" type offense. I thought the offense should take more chances, and not rely so heavily on the running game to open up the passing game so much. Since the game was such a blow out I listened to 790am yesterday. The national media was reporting: David Carr is on the hot seat!!! "The Texans are getting WORSE and not better"

09-19-2005	#73
TexansFanatic Extremist Join Date: Apr 2004 Posts: 2,175 Rep Power: 7237	There's something at the heart of all this that really pains me to think about. This organization (the Texans) is perhaps deeply flawed at its very core. When a head coach is not allowed to choose his own offensive coordinator at the outset, one who reflects his own philosophy, the team is ultimately doomed to suffer this kind of result. A conservative system can work brilliantly if you have the proper personnel and adhere to the philosophy from start to finish. An aggressive, wide open attack can work brilliantly if you have the proper personnel and adhere to the philosophy from start to finish. But to put a head coach with a conservative mindset together with an offensive coordinator with the opposite mindset, you are condemning that organization to failure. I think very highly of Charley Casserly, but I feel he should have allowed Capers to hire his own guy from the beginning.....

09-19-2005	#78
DefLord Rookie Join Date: Jun 2005 Location: Atascocita, Texas Age: 42 Posts: 37 Rep Power: 0	Why not just bring in Jack Pardee - maybe he can set up the Run and SHoot like the good ole Gambler days! God I miss Jim Kelly and his Run and Shoot crew! __________________ "Here comes the Texan Stampede!"

09-19-2005	#80
beerlover Site Contributor Join Date: May 2004 Posts: 11,357 Rep Power: 15075	bottom line Palmer was frustrated with Carr and the offensive inability to exacute his game planning. its much easier to replace the offensive cordinator than the franchise QB. I saw the shot gun offense several times, which I like with Carr (gives him time to read the defense better & OL to create the protection) but he refused to stay in the pocket or step up into the hole his linemen created to complete the play. for this Palmer gets the ax

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