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Old 09-18-2005   #1
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Default Carr argues with his lineman

At least it says so in this Foxsports article:

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While Carr said his linemen "fought their tails off," Pittsburgh linebacker Joey Porter heard Carr saying otherwise.

"He was arguing with his offensive line," Porter said. "Whenever you get a quarterback arguing with his team that's a good sign."
Interesting.....the plot thickens.
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I have a tape somewhere of Troy Aikman cussing out his linemen on the bench...what they didn't bleep out he was telling them they were playing like peewee league players. It's funny.

Actually David should be a leader out there. If he's mad at them and he's getting busted every play he should be mad. I would be.

What I'd like to hear is that the players have called a players only meeting and they can air out all these things...no coaches...just players. If they can get on the same page it'd be worth it; bad coaching or not.
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I have a tape somewhere of Troy Aikman cussing out his linemen on the bench...what they didn't bleep out he was telling them they were playing like peewee league players. It's funny.

Actually David should be a leader out there. If he's mad at them and he's getting busted every play he should be mad. I would be.

What I'd like to hear is that the players have called a players only meeting and they can air out all these things...no coaches...just players. If they can get on the same page it'd be worth it; bad coaching or not.
Carr got sacked 7 times. That is the fault of the Oline. I do not know if Carr is the QB of the future for this club. However until we get him SOME protection we will never find out.
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Carr got sacked 7 times. That is the fault of the Oline. I do not know if Carr is the QB of the future for this club. However until we get him SOME protection we will never find out.
AT LEAST a couple of those sacks were Carr's fault. Running right into a guy blocked outside becaause Carr didn't have enough sense of the game and where the guy was to go inside. Rinse, repeat.
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Carr got sacked 7 times. That is the fault of the Oline. I do not know if Carr is the QB of the future for this club. However until we get him SOME protection we will never find out.

I thought he got sacked 8 times today and four of them boiled down to Carr running out of bounds behind the line of scrimmage like he did when he was rookie.
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What I'd like to hear is that the players have called a players only meeting and they can air out all these things...no coaches...just players. If they can get on the same page it'd be worth it; bad coaching or not.

now this is an idea i would full heartedly second
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I believe it was 8 sacks two of which were early out of bounds. One he was trying to get to the line of scrimage and just came up a yard short. Another sack (3rd) is also Carrs is where he ran right into the guy DD blocked up field. So, by my count two are directly atributable to him and one he came up short which is a sack, but in reality just a run that didn't make it back to the line.
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This is a no win situation for Carr. This line is horrible because the FO didn't bring in any real players to block for him. Now if he takes his sacks and does nothing, it almost lets the o-line off the hook. But if he cusses them out, someone is gonna get pissed because they probably know in their heart they're not good enough to be out there, and now their getting chewed out.

Every week it becomes more and more appearant that David is going down the same road as Tim Couch. If you've ever made a Tim Couch joke, you need to realize that he was in the exact same situation as Carr. And don't think that emotional breakdown isn't that far away.

And to be noted, I think the kid has all the tools to be a great one, but if he's hit too many more times, he'll lose it, just like Tim.
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he hsould argue the line is trash and there killing his career
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Get the play caller out of here. Do the Texans put people in motion to keep defenses guessing. I watched the Chiefs move everyone except the center. I mean make some adjustments. I'm not ready to throw Carr uner the bus. He has improved every year. He has an uneveyable task of trying to jump start a bad football team. The problem is the difference between a bad football team and a good football team in the NFL is not much. The best thing that happened to Big Ben was that he got passed over until the Pit grabbed him. He is not the backbone of the team and won't have to be for a while. Look at Culpepper for the vilkes. It is amazing what one or two players can do for a team. I don't believe there is a QB in the league who could do any better with the rest of this Team. Get an offensive line even if it means signing verba to a contract that is more then he is worth. Ask Carr to carve out a few dollars from his contract to protect his blind side. I don't care if the Texans have the first pick next year it better be a lineman.
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I strongly feel the teams has lost it's desire. Capers has lost this team. He needs to step a side.

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I thought he got sacked 8 times today and four of them boiled down to Carr running out of bounds behind the line of scrimmage like he did when he was rookie.
Why was he running to the sideline? Just to get a drink of water? Who cares whether they were sacks or not? Nobody could block a Steeler on Sunday.

Football is actually a pretty simple game. If you can't block and you can't tackle, you can't win. Welcome to the world of the Houston Texans.
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Why was he running to the sideline? Just to get a drink of water? Who cares whether they were sacks or not? Nobody could block a Steeler on Sunday.

Football is actually a pretty simple game. If you can't block and you can't tackle, you can't win. Welcome to the world of the Houston Texans.
Why? Because he has a poor feel for the pocket. It's not an either or thing...there is fault on both sides of this equation. You are right...pretty simple until you get weak protection and a QB who has poor instincts, then it looks like a complex mess.
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It's a shame that we'll never know what kind of quarterback he would have become had he not been beaten unmercifully for 3+ years ....
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Why was he running to the sideline? Just to get a drink of water? Who cares whether they were sacks or not? Nobody could block a Steeler on Sunday.

Football is actually a pretty simple game. If you can't block and you can't tackle, you can't win. Welcome to the world of the Houston Texans.

Maybe he did want a drink of water. It was very hot out there yesterday. One thing I am absolutely sure of though. Much of the time Carr spent bailing out of the pocket he didn't need to. He takes off before it's necessary a great deal of the time and won't step up when he should. As Vinny said he has very poor to non existent pocket presence. He needs to calm down. I haven't seen feet bounce as much since Warren Moons second season in Houston.

Maybe David needs to sit for a little while and get his composure back.
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Why was he running to the sideline? Just to get a drink of water? Who cares whether they were sacks or not? Nobody could block a Steeler on Sunday
Yeah there was pressure, but it's on him when he doesn't throw the ball away.
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Carr, get in their grill. Let them know. I think they should have a player's only meeting where everyone gets to vent and hopefully get on the same page. I say Stanley and K. Brown should moderate it. But then again, that's not my call who moderates it. lol
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I strongly feel the teams has lost it's desire. Capers has lost this team. He needs to step a side.

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No doubt! The team has had it, the coach never had it, and the qb is going to lose what little he has left. If this were a company, the c.e.o. would be fired by the board, the new c.e.o. would clean things up, and the staff would shape up or prepare to be pink slipped. Why do teams get away with **** that the real world would never allow. After all, when you are a lineman getting 250K a year and your QB is getting 60mil for 5 years, tell me where you desire is?
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No doubt! The team has had it, the coach never had it, and the qb is going to lose what little he has left. If this were a company, the c.e.o. would be fired by the board, the new c.e.o. would clean things up, and the staff would shape up or prepare to be pink slipped. Why do teams get away with **** that the real world would never allow. After all, when you are a lineman getting 250K a year and your QB is getting 60mil for 5 years, tell me where you desire is?
I believe 4 of our starting linemen are receiving over $3M/year (or close to it) with bonuses and all things considered.. Whatever they make, they should be giving the effort.
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