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Old 09-18-2005   #21
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Gaffney was a reach for a 1st rounder.

Ragone was an ***** draft pick

Joppru was stupid to draft, but you cannot argue his injuries, I mean how would Casserly know about those.

Babin sucks

Buchanan is a diva it looks like

Not sure about the guy this year.

Letting Foley and Posey go ALONG WITH JAMIE SHARPER was a joke

Getting rid of JJ Moses was stupid. At least the little guy showed heart and knew how to turn. I mean Verand Morency runs straight and gets tackled.

OH YEAH VERAND MORENCY was a wasted draft pick. DD is good, Wells is working hard and is a decent back and Hollings is a good change of pace back. the Drafting of Morency was just stupid.

All of these I thought were bad when they happened, NOT AFTER.
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.... JAMIE SHARPER ...
Saw some of his game today against Atlanta. Hasn't lost a step ... he's still bringing them down!
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I think the texans ruined him. I dont think there is a single qb in this league who would have developed into a good player with the c rap we put out there.
Putting a rookie QB behind a makeshift offensive line is no way to build a young QB's confidence. You're not exactly putting him in a situation where he can win. Contrast Carr's experience with that of Rothlesberger (sp?).
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There are a few players in every sport who would be studs no matter what team drafted them. There are a few players in every sport who would be duds no matter what team drafted them. Surrounding players, systems, coaches, and fit make such a difference.

And then, of course, there are the quirks of injuries.

I always get a little uncomfortable talking about draft busts because you never know how folks would do if put under a different system. You see players hop teams and do great with the new team or horrible with the new team. Some guys would thrive no matter what situation they are in--I think those players are rare. MJ, Gretzky, Shaq kinds of players. But generally, good teams make good players look better.

You can play hypothetical games like what if Ben Roethlisberger had started for the Texans in Year 1, how would he have done, etc., but that is just academic. You just never know. I can think of lots of players that I think did well because they just got in the right situation at the right time and things just clicked.

With an expansion team, it exacerbates those problems of picking players because you have no depth, no chemistry, no tradition and are creating things from scratch. It is hard to develop players if they players you already have don't have established roles on the team.



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There are a few players in every sport who would be studs no matter what team drafted them. There are a few players in every sport who would be duds no matter what team drafted them. Surrounding players, systems, coaches, and fit make such a difference.

And then, of course, there are the quirks of injuries.

I always get a little uncomfortable talking about draft busts because you never know how folks would do if put under a different system. You see players hop teams and do great with the new team or horrible with the new team. Some guys would thrive no matter what situation they are in--I think those players are rare. MJ, Gretzky, Shaq kinds of players. But generally, good teams make good players look better.

You can play hypothetical games like what if Ben Roethlisberger had started for the Texans in Year 1, how would he have done, etc., but that is just academic. You just never know. I can think of lots of players that I think did well because they just got in the right situation at the right time and things just clicked.

With an expansion team, it exacerbates those problems of picking players because you have no depth, no chemistry, no tradition and are creating things from scratch. It is hard to develop players if they players you already have don't have established roles on the team.



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Buchanan is coming real close, but lets see what type of adjustments he can make after the bye week before we completly write him off.
You have to give a guy at least ONE season before he is a bust.

TWO games and he is on almost everyone's list as a bust, come on. I know his effort on that one play today was just pathetic and unexcusable but he is no bust.

As far as his play goes, it hasn't been that bad(by no means great but not worthy of the "bust" word") Yes he is getting picked on but that is more out of respect for Dunta than anything. Both him and Dunta have been burned this season. Mainly because our pass rush is giving the opposing QB all day long to throw the ball. Both guys are solid, both will be made to look like clowns by our pathetic pass rush.
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yeah and theres a line of players every year that are happy to be drafted by this team. Lienhart is going to be the same way 's
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yeah and theres a line of players every year that are happy to be drafted by this team. Lienhart is going to be the same way 's
Jags fan's really can't talk much. You have gone more seasons than the Texans without going to the playoffs. That is with an expansion team in your division (should have been 2 easy wins a year).
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You have to give a guy at least ONE season before he is a bust.

TWO games and he is on almost everyone's list as a bust, come on. I know his effort on that one play today was just pathetic and unexcusable but he is no bust.

As far as his play goes, it hasn't been that bad(by no means great but not worthy of the "bust" word") Yes he is getting picked on but that is more out of respect for Dunta than anything. Both him and Dunta have been burned this season. Mainly because our pass rush is giving the opposing QB all day long to throw the ball. Both guys are solid, both will be made to look like clowns by our pathetic pass rush.
umm P-Burnt isnt a rookie, hes been doing this for a few years.

All of this is nothing new, the FO thought they could turn the potential into production, nope.
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Morlan Greenwood does not even start in the Texans 4-3 defense.
Travis Johnson is not even the fourth or Fifth Lineman. Deloach was in for Walker.
I'm glad they have Wong on the inside instead of Derrick Johnson.
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umm P-Burnt isnt a rookie, hes been doing this for a few years.

All of this is nothing new, the FO thought they could turn the potential into production, nope.
Then everyone should have been calling him a bust before we even got him. We are not talking about him being a bust in the draft. We are talking about was he a bust of a trade by Charlie C. The answer is who knows because he has only played TWO FREAKIN GAMES as a Texan.
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Then everyone should have been calling him a bust before we even got him. We are not talking about him being a bust in the draft. We are talking about was he a bust of a trade by Charlie C. The answer is who knows because he has only played TWO FREAKIN GAMES as a Texan.
thats what Oakland said but we did not believe them and traded a #2 & #3 for him

its not too much to ask to give 100% effort and some heart out there on the field, like I said this should be addressed during the bye week and next game if its not then it probably never will and he will be a bust
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What about passing Willie Roaf in the expansion draft and him going to consecutive pro bowls after.
How about y'all try to get your facts straight when bashing the people. Walker was a 1st rounder, 20th overall draft pick. Willie Roaf was not available in the expansion draft. He was originally placed on the list by the Saints but the NFL made the Saints remove him from the list because of concerns over his knee. He was then traded for a 4th rounder and yes it would have been great if the Texans had paid the 4th or even a 3rd to get him.
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