We drafted TJ

[WildBlackBear32]

Originally Posted by texan279

My high horse? You want a speedy flashy playmaker over a big guy who battles in the trenches, all you wanna see is flash and stats...

I may not be able to answer for him, but I'd SURE AS HELL would want a player who creates turnovers and gets a lot of tackles over a player who "battles in the trenches" ANY DAY. Not to mention all the publicity and merch money DJ could have brought in with UT fans and jersey sales.

[stevo3883]

Originally Posted by Huge

BTW, that list doesn't include DT's that were taken as NT's (Casey Hampton and Ryan Pickett).

and how many of those DT's went to 3-4 defenses?

why try and argue something that is common sense. The guy isnt even there to make tackles, how could his value be equal to someone that tackles, sacks, forces fumbles, blocks kicks, intercepts passes.... Not only does he do that, but DJ does it at a level above most of the olb's in the league.

[Huge]

Originally Posted by stevo3883

thats pretty skewed. saying OLB's only, how many NOSE TACKLES have been taken in the 1st round lately?

and DJ could play inside in a 3-4, so might as well count ILB's too

Okay, let's include DT's as well as NT's and then include ALL LBs postions...

20 DT's and NT's taken in the first round over the last 5 years.

7 ILB and OLB's taken in the first round over the last 5 years.

Thanks for pointing that out.

If you'd like to include guys like Demarcus Ware (college DE's that projected as OLBs), then your case would look a little better.

But it's still a slam dunk against your argument. You can continue to debate it if you'd like. But you're going to lose and lose bad.

[texan279]

I may not be able to answer for him, but I'd SURE AS HELL would want a player who creates turnovers and gets a lot of tackles over a player who "battles in the trenches" ANY DAY. Not to mention all the publicity and merch money DJ could have brought in with UT fans and jersey sales.

You guys are not getting it. YOU CANNOT COMPARE WHAT A LINEMAN DOES TO WHAT A LB DOES. YOU CANNOT COMPARE STATS BETWEEN A LB AND A LINEMAN.

[Wolf]

Originally Posted by texan279

You guys are not getting it. YOU CANNOT COMPARE WHAT A LINEMAN DOES TO WHAT A LB DOES. YOU CANNOT COMPARE STATS BETWEEN A LB AND A LINEMAN.

exactly they are hand in hand. What good would DJ do when we has to take on tackles or guards 4 yards past the line of scrimmage.? Isn't that what happened to our ILB's last year? We are still in the boat. We just don't have the depth/talent yet.

[WildBlackBear32]

Originally Posted by texan279

You guys are not getting it. YOU CANNOT COMPARE WHAT A LINEMAN DOES TO WHAT A LB DOES. YOU CANNOT COMPARE STATS BETWEEN A LB AND A LINEMAN.

However, TURNOVERS WIN GAMES. WINNING GAMES WINS CHAMPIONSHIPS. AN OLB WHO HAS ALREADY PROVEN(yes I did just say DJ is proven...sack, FF in game 1 and now a FR in half of game two) THAT HE HAS HAD AN IMPACT IN THIS LEAGUE IS FAR MORE VALUABLE THAN A GUY WHO "battles in the trenches".

[Huge]

Originally Posted by stevo3883

and how many of those DT's went to 3-4 defenses?

why try and argue something that is common sense. The guy isnt even there to make tackles, how could his value be equal to someone that tackles, sacks, forces fumbles, blocks kicks, intercepts passes.... Not only does he do that, but DJ does it at a level above most of the olb's in the league.

So we should just base a player's value on his stats? How much value would you place on offensive lineman?

[WildBlackBear32]

Originally Posted by Wolf

exactly they are hand in hand. What good would DJ do when we has to take on tackles or guards 4 yards past the line of scrimmage.? Isn't that what happened to our ILB's last year? We are still in the boat. We just don't have the depth/talent yet.

We had Seth Payne. We had Seth Payne. We had Seth Payne. We had Seth Payne. IF Seth Payne would have gotten hurt, we would have had a problem. HOWEVER, you can't play on "ifs". Not to mention, Payne has been VERY durable over the course of his career, minus 2003.

[Huge]

Originally Posted by WildBlackBear32

However, TURNOVERS WIN GAMES. WINNING GAMES WINS CHAMPIONSHIPS. AN OLB WHO HAS ALREADY PROVEN(yes I did just say DJ is proven...sack, FF in game 1 and now a FR in half of game two) THAT HE HAS HAD AN IMPACT IN THIS LEAGUE IS FAR MORE VALUABLE THAN A GUY WHO "battles in the trenches".

The fumble that DJ recovered tonight was caused by a defensive lineman.


Carry on...

[texan279]

However, TURNOVERS WIN GAMES. WINNING GAMES WINS CHAMPIONSHIPS. AN OLB WHO HAS ALREADY PROVEN(yes I did just say DJ is proven...sack, FF in game 1 and now a FR in half of game two) THAT HE HAS HAD AN IMPACT IN THIS LEAGUE IS FAR MORE VALUABLE THAN A GUY WHO "battles in the trenches".

He is "proven" after one game?

[texan279]

The fumble that DJ recovered tonight was caused by a defensive lineman.


Carry on...

They keep lobbing 'em up there and Huge keeps knocking 'em out of the park...

[WildBlackBear32]

Originally Posted by Huge

The fumble that DJ recovered tonight was caused by a defensive lineman.


Carry on...

Oh, my mistake. I forgot that the person causing the fumble is far more important than the one recovering it. Since you know, as soon as the ball is fumbled, the defense automatically gets it, right?

[Huge]

Can a fumble be recovered if it's not caused?

[WildBlackBear32]

Originally Posted by texan279

He is "proven" after one game?

Oh no. I take it all back. Our man who battles in the trenches is far more valuable than DJ. I need to take off my homer glasses. Wait...

[texan279]

Oh, my mistake. I forgot that the person causing the fumble is far more important than the one recovering it. Since you know, as soon as the ball is fumbled, the defense automatically gets it, right?

Ummmm, yes the person who causes the fumble is more important, if he does not cause the fumble there is no fumble to recover...since you know if there is no fumble the offense keeps possession, right?

[Wolf]

Originally Posted by WildBlackBear32

We had Seth Payne. We had Seth Payne. We had Seth Payne. We had Seth Payne. IF Seth Payne would have gotten hurt, we would have had a problem. HOWEVER, you can't play on "ifs". Not to mention, Payne has been VERY durable over the course of his career, minus 2003.

exactly.. no depth on our DL.. you think DJ could take on the OL?

Kc runs a 4-3 and not a 3-4 . DJ gets a little more freedom over there

[WildBlackBear32]

Originally Posted by Huge

Can a fumble be recovered if it's not caused?

Can a turnover be created if a fumble is not recovered??? Common sense, think here. You can force 100000 fumbles and if you dont recover a single one it dont mean ****.

[texan279]

If you dont force 100000 fumbles there is no chance to recover a fumble

[stevo3883]

Originally Posted by Wolf

exactly.. no depth on our DL.. you think DJ could take on the OL?

Kc runs a 4-3 and not a 3-4 . DJ gets a little more freedom over there

or we could have no depth at LB and have teams just run all over us.

Which is worse?

[Huge]

Originally Posted by WildBlackBear32

Can a turnover be created if a fumble is not recovered??? Common sense, think here. You can force 100000 fumbles and if you dont recover a single one it dont mean ****.

Dude, you should really quit.