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Old 09-18-2005   #21
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Guess he is a lock for the Pro Bowl now...
Luckily for him, our Warren Sapp Jr that we drafted will be opening holes for him in the pro bowl...orrrr not.
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you must be kidding me, anyone that watched this guy in college knew he was a cant miss prospect.

A GREAT character guy, a leader, a physical specimen, a nose for the ball. Man what a risky pick!

If being able to recognize a talent like him is hard, then jesus they must not watch them play.
Then why are you here pushing this now, why not the day of the draft?
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Luckily for him, our Warren Sapp Jr that we drafted will be opening holes for him in the pro bowl...orrrr not.
You guys are hilarious...
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You guys are hilarious...

And realists!
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Then why are you here pushing this now, why not the day of the draft?

because i didnt think there was a possibility he would fall to us. And when he did I damn near flipped out when they traded the pick.

I heard that nearly everyone at reliant booed and left when they heard the texans passed on DJ.



And I still dont understand this one thing, How is a guy whos job it is just to plug up a hole more important than a playmaker at LB? cant you just get a big guy in like the 3rd round and tell him to go to this hole and stand there?

There are sooooooo many more guys like travis johnson than there are guys like DJ/
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And I still dont understand this one thing, How is a guy whos job it is just to plug up a hole more important than a playmaker at LB? cant you just get a big guy in like the 3rd round and tell him to go to this hole and stand there?
Because if there is no one there to plug holes, LB's don't get a chance to be a playmaker...And no you cannot just get any big guy and tell him to stand there...
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Because if there is no one there to plug holes, LB's don't get a chance to be a playmaker...And no you cannot just get any big guy and tell him to stand there...

And this is why we re-signed Payne, no? We had our fat man to clog the hole from the get go. We didn't have an impact linebacker. Unless for some odd reason, you had stock in Peek/Babin
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And this is why we re-signed Payne, no? We had our fat man to clog the hole from the get go. We didn't have an impact linebacker. Unless for some odd reason, you had stock in Peek/Babin
Remember the problem we had with injuries on the D line not too long ago?
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Because if there is no one there to plug holes, LB's don't get a chance to be a playmaker...And no you cannot just get any big guy and tell him to stand there...

ok, so why arent our LB's making plays?

because its not that simple, Playmakers are needed at LB much more than at DT. which is why this was so stupid, Johnson is never going to have the type of impact DJ will, even at his best his position just isnt as valuable as a LB.

And why is it do you think that not many DT's get taken early on? Because they arent as valuable as a playmaker at a position like CB or LB
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Remember the problem we had with injuries on the D line not too long ago?
We also had two aging overpaid linebackers we needed to get rid of. Problem one and Problem two. The difference is problem two had a solution with a proven(in college) impact player who came from the Texans backyard and problem one had an inconsistent hothead who had ONE good year in college.
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because its not that simple, Playmakers are needed at LB much more than at DT. which is why this was so stupid, Johnson is never going to have the type of impact DJ will, even at his best his position just isnt as valuable as a LB.
Yeah you're right, lineman is not an important position...
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yeah we can have a guy that did this in college: 175 tackles (76 solo) with 10 sacks for minus-63 yards, 43 stops for losses of 127 yards, 31 quarterback pressures, four fumble recoveries, six forced fumbles and three pass deflections while starting 21 of 51 games.

or this 40 starts in 50 games. He recorded 458 tackles (281 solo) with 10 sacks for minus-58 yards, 65 stops for losses of 170 yards and 39 quarterback pressures. added five fumble recoveries, 11 forced fumbles, nine interceptions for 195 yards in returns (one for a touchdown), 30 pass deflections and a blocked kick
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Yeah you're right, lineman is not an important position...

get off your high horse, a DT in a 3-4 is not as valuable as a playmaking speedy LB (notice the playmaking part). basically all u need is a big strong body
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yeah we can have a guy that did this in college: 175 tackles (76 solo) with 10 sacks for minus-63 yards, 43 stops for losses of 127 yards, 31 quarterback pressures, four fumble recoveries, six forced fumbles and three pass deflections while starting 21 of 51 games.

or this 40 starts in 50 games. He recorded 458 tackles (281 solo) with 10 sacks for minus-58 yards, 65 stops for losses of 170 yards and 39 quarterback pressures. added five fumble recoveries, 11 forced fumbles, nine interceptions for 195 yards in returns (one for a touchdown), 30 pass deflections and a blocked kick
Whose stats are those?
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get off your high horse, a DT in a 3-4 is not as valuable as a playmaking speedy LB (notice the playmaking part). basically all u need is a big strong body
My high horse? You want a speedy flashy playmaker over a big guy who battles in the trenches, all you wanna see is flash and stats...
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And why is it do you think that not many DT's get taken early on? Because they arent as valuable as a playmaker at a position like CB or LB
18 DT's taken in the first round over the last five drafts.

6 OLB's taken in the first round over the last five drafts.
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These teams are 0-2 as well: Green Bay, Minnesota, San Diego, Arizona, and Baltimore. The only team that has really looked much better than us is San Diego.
...so, what's the point?
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18 DT's taken in the first round over the last five drafts.

6 OLB's taken in the first round over the last five drafts.
thats pretty skewed. saying OLB's only, how many NOSE TACKLES have been taken in the 1st round lately?

and DJ could play inside in a 3-4, so might as well count ILB's too
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18 DT's taken in the first round over the last five drafts.

6 OLB's taken in the first round over the last five drafts.
BTW, that list doesn't include DT's that were taken as NT's (Casey Hampton and Ryan Pickett).
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My high horse? You want a speedy flashy playmaker over a big guy who battles in the trenches, all you wanna see is flash and stats...

I want results, something we have never had. We have never had a playmaker not at CB. so what do we do? get another non-playmaker.
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