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Old 09-16-2005   #21
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oh man i did not know the Texans could have gotten Bernard Berrian. maybe carr would be doing better.
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oh man i did not know the Texans could have gotten Bernard Berrian. maybe carr would be doing better.
it couldn't hurt
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2005
#47 pick - Marcus Johnson G or Terance Murphy WR
#78 pick - Kirk Morrison ILB

2004
#40 pick - Dontarrious Thomas OLB
#71 pick - Max Starks OT
#103 pick - Nathan Vasher CB
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Old 09-17-2005   #24
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#47 pick - Marcus Johnson G or Terance Murphy WR
#78 pick - Kirk Morrison ILB

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#40 pick - Dontarrious Thomas OLB
#71 pick - Max Starks OT
#103 pick - Nathan Vasher CB
see it sort of washes out when its all said and done. the fact is the Texans did go the playmaker route, both Babin & Buchanan are counted on to make a difference in starting roles.

I like Marcus Johnson & Kirk Morrison but Marcus plays only if Weigert is hurt and Morrison would back up Greenwood or Wong. instead the Texans have a starting CB that has potential to become a premier corner and return man.

Dontarrious is a back-up on a bad team, Starks will be playing Sunday at Relient as the starting RT of the Steelers, but we have Wade so he would be a backup as is Vasher. Babin is a very interesting person & player I would expect him to break out at any time and show why they are so high on him, but thanks for playing its fun from time to time and revisit past, present & future NFL drafts
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Apparently we see things differrently, but I'm no expert. I hope your right.
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Anybody else observe that Babin is not an explosive athelete . If you watched Greene or Lawrence Taylor or other great outside LBs they played stronger than their size . This is more power than strength .
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Trading picks in the 2nd to 4th rounds has hurt us in one major spot....the ofensive line.

IMO, the best place to draft OL is during the 2nd-4th rounds. You probably wont get an ogden, pace, or jones, but you will get solid talent with which to build an OL. Other than pitts, we have not drafted a solid OL, as Weary, brown, and wand all appear to be busts.

IMO, in this draft had we not traded away the picks, we could have drafted two lineman with the 4 picks we originally had in rounds 2-4. this is how good teams build depth and stay away from OL woes even after an injury or free agent loss.
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2004 NFL Draft w/TEN:

Hou Gets:
27 Jason Babin (DE) Houston Texans (from Titans) Western Michigan

TEN uses the draft picks traded and gets:
40 Ben Troupe (TE) Tennessee Titans (from Houston) Florida
71 Randy Starks (DT) Tennessee Titans (from Houston) Maryland
103 Bo Schobel (DE) Tennessee Titans (from Houston) TCU

Looking back now, would we not have beene better off staying put and picking the guys TEN picked up? TE, still a needed position, DT and DE depth.

Could we not have a move at the end of the second round with TEN and gotten:
57 Antwan Odom (DE) Tennessee Titans Alabama
A player who I find similiar to Peek, and also happens to wear #98? Played against better compition than Babin and also was converting from DE to OLB.

You can't compare it with the Titans picks because we would have drafted different players.
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texans are glad you fill the stands no matter what they put on field,what ever they did win was because the opp took them lightly,in my book they were all loses,and the cowboy game 19-10 was fixed by nfl to get texas to move from cowboys to texans,haha
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Yes, Ware would have been nice. I think they have done well drafting as well, would like to see them with more picks. I don't know about salary cap, sounds like you follow it closely so I'll take your word for it.

Maybe its just growing pains this year - lets hope the fans stick with the team (go to games in mass). Its still in the early going for the franchise.
Here is a link to the Salary cap status of all 32 teams, as of Sept 1.
http://proxy.espn.go.com/nfl/columns...ohn&id=2004973

Of all 32 teams only ONE is in Better Cap shape than the Texans.
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I doubt we would have made the same picks as TEN (hopefully some OL). Looking at our past picks, we've made good decisions in the draft, I assume we would have in those spots also. Anyway, its hindsight now.....
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You can't compare it with the Titans picks because we would have drafted different players.
How you figure? Have we not drafted these same positions in that draft and the following year? My point is, would we "trade" all those guys for Babin now? I dont think he's played bad, but not worth the depth those picks would have given us.
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Here is a link to the Salary cap status of all 32 teams, as of Sept 1.
http://proxy.espn.go.com/nfl/columns...ohn&id=2004973

Of all 32 teams only ONE is in Better Cap shape than the Texans.
You have to have a subscription to insider it looks like to see the page. Could you copy and paste it perhaps?
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LCROD,

What we meant by that is the picks may not have been identical - but your point is well taken. We traded depth and badly needed help on the O line for what 'beerlover' appropriately defined as currently unmet expectations \ contextual underchievers.
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I think Johnson was a nice pick. Pro bowl talent is hard to come by. Joppru, I can't hang on Casserly, who knew he would be permanetly injuries. Ragone was a head scratcher, maybe it was cap related - don't know.

I can't comment on the rest, sounds like you know more than I do. Just started looking into this when without explanation we started to look like we took a step back.

Dont get me wrong, Ilike Johnson, VERY worthy of the #3 pick and I am glad to have him. Its just going into that draft we gave up 76 sacks, we are a run first team and Jordan Gross is one SOLID Left tackle for the Carolina Panthers.

Joppru was not needed at all. We were solid at Te with Billy Miller and Mark Bruener.

Ragone was a ?????????????????? BIG TIME!
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Dont get me wrong, Ilike Johnson, VERY worthy of the #3 pick and I am glad to have him. Its just going into that draft we gave up 76 sacks, we are a run first team and Jordan Gross is one SOLID Left tackle for the Carolina Panthers.

Joppru was not needed at all. We were solid at Te with Billy Miller and Mark Bruener.

Ragone was a ?????????????????? BIG TIME!
Gross is the starting Right Tackle for Carolina.

http://www.ourlads.com/secure/depthchart.cfm?index1=CAR

I also disagree about needing a TE. Bruener became a Texan prior to last season, we drafted Bennie in the '03 draft. Even had we already had Bruener, it would be a good idea to develop a younger talented TE. As far as taking Joppru over the popular hindsight choice, the now Cowboy Jason Witten, we may never know as far as talent goes. He did not have a history of injuries coming out of college. Who's to say that if Bennie is not taken by the Texans he goes to another team where he becomes a productive TE? That is all speculation of course, but I don't fault the Texans for taking Joppru. I do fault them for not doing more to find a TE who can actually catch and block to help Carr and the offense. There's nothing that can be done about that now, but come this offseason they'd better.

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Gold eagle,

There appears to be alot of ??? right now.....

It still point to the biggest error being the P Buc and Babin deals. Lost many draft picks on those transactions and those guys will both be busts. Sorry but its true 'beerlover'.
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