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TexanExile · 09-13-2005

I've seen the issue of "why the Texans didn't throw on first down" brought up in a few different threads. The numbers don't lie--that's just not true. It's hard to believe because the results of those first-down pass attempts were (with only one exception) totally forgettable, BUT...

Here's a refresher from the game's stats:
(NOTE: Sacks are credited as attempts to pass)

FIRST HALF
1) The first offensive play from scrimmage was a dump pass to DD. Series was 3-and-out.
2) Next drive's first play was a 3 yard run to the left by DD. Pick ended the drive before any more first downs.
3) Next drive was 1 play: the DD fumble.
4) Then the touchdown drive. 4 total first downs (3 incomplete passes, 1 complete pass to Wells)
5) On the 1-play drive to end the half, DD ran up the middle on the only down.

SECOND HALF
1) Opening drive had 3 first downs (19yd pass to Bruener, a DD run, and a sack).
2) Next drive was split (a DD run and a sack).
3) Third drive was split (a DD run and an INT)
4) Final drive of 3rd Quarter had 1 first down: a 0-yard DD run.
5) Texans' first drive of 4th Quarter featured 2 first down plays: a DD run and a sack/fumble.
6) 3-and-out drive followed, with an incomplete pass on 1st down.
7) Final drive had a Carr scramble and an incomplete pass on 1st downs. Drive ended by INT on the ensuing 2nd down.

First half first-down plays: 5 passes/3 runs
Second half first-down plays: 7 passes/6 runs*
OVERALL ON 1ST DOWN: 12 passes/9 runs*

* I counted the scramble as a run, which is obviously debatable, but it doesn't affect the run-more-than-pass debate.

Exascor · 09-13-2005

No way! The stats can't be right! We ALWAYS run on 1st down! Just ask Brent Jones!

Nice post Exile but please don't confuse the fans with silly facts.

**Runner** · 09-13-2005

What Shakespeare really wrote was "out dam'd facts"

Corrosion · 09-13-2005

Nice post TexanExile .... This is sure going to give the Start Ragone Group more fuel for the fire .
To put it mildly Carr has looked Poor the last three games , The 3 step drop has been a joke and the offense overall is anemic . Now to come up with a solution ? :brickwall

09-13-2005	#1
TexanExile Too Far Away Join Date: May 2004 Location: Singapore Age: 41 Posts: 1,568 Rep Power: 1757	First down breakdown I've seen the issue of "why the Texans didn't throw on first down" brought up in a few different threads. The numbers don't lie--that's just not true. It's hard to believe because the results of those first-down pass attempts were (with only one exception) totally forgettable, BUT... Here's a refresher from the game's stats: (NOTE: Sacks are credited as attempts to pass) FIRST HALF 1) The first offensive play from scrimmage was a dump pass to DD. Series was 3-and-out. 2) Next drive's first play was a 3 yard run to the left by DD. Pick ended the drive before any more first downs. 3) Next drive was 1 play: the DD fumble. 4) Then the touchdown drive. 4 total first downs (3 incomplete passes, 1 complete pass to Wells) 5) On the 1-play drive to end the half, DD ran up the middle on the only down. SECOND HALF 1) Opening drive had 3 first downs (19yd pass to Bruener, a DD run, and a sack). 2) Next drive was split (a DD run and a sack). 3) Third drive was split (a DD run and an INT) 4) Final drive of 3rd Quarter had 1 first down: a 0-yard DD run. 5) Texans' first drive of 4th Quarter featured 2 first down plays: a DD run and a sack/fumble. 6) 3-and-out drive followed, with an incomplete pass on 1st down. 7) Final drive had a Carr scramble and an incomplete pass on 1st downs. Drive ended by INT on the ensuing 2nd down. First half first-down plays: 5 passes/3 runs Second half first-down plays: 7 passes/6 runs* OVERALL ON 1ST DOWN: 12 passes/9 runs* * I counted the scramble as a run, which is obviously debatable, but it doesn't affect the run-more-than-pass debate.

09-13-2005	#2
Exascor Hall of Fame Join Date: Apr 2004 Location: Atascocita Posts: 1,147 Rep Power: 4938	No way! The stats can't be right! We ALWAYS run on 1st down! Just ask Brent Jones! Nice post Exile but please don't confuse the fans with silly facts. __________________ I like you but...if zombies start to chase us I'm tripping you.

09-13-2005	#4
Corrosion Hall of Fame Join Date: May 2004 Location: Northwest Houston Age: 44 Posts: 26,916 Rep Power: 57783	Nice post TexanExile .... This is sure going to give the Start Ragone Group more fuel for the fire . To put it mildly Carr has looked Poor the last three games , The 3 step drop has been a joke and the offense overall is anemic . Now to come up with a solution ? :brickwall __________________ I have no tolerance for stupidity.

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09-13-2005	#3
Runner Hubcap Diamond Join Date: Jan 2005 Posts: 7,436 Rep Power: 6068	What Shakespeare really wrote was "out dam'd facts"

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