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Old 09-13-2005   #61
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The biggest problem with Carr to me is that he looked like a beat up QB. You can't let the other team see that you've been beat. If you look at Farve and Brady.. when they get sacked, throw an INT, over throw or miss a WR, they can't wait to get back in there.. they have the looks that said I'm not down yet...Carr just sets there and puts his hands on head. He should've at Least went straight to the phone instead of waiting for the equipment guy to call him to it.
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I watched the game again today on my dvr also. You're right. With the emotions stripped away I was able to see things different too.

The offensive line wasn't as bad as I thought. One sack came on a stunt between Wade and Wiegert but the rest were on the outside. Greer got one on the inside of Wade but that was because Wade was locked up with someone else. Actually he was back with Carr because his man was so fast around the edge. Other than that it was the backs that couldn't block that led to sacks.

The defensive line did play a good game other than penalties. GFunk could be back. Maybe TJ being here is a motivating factor.

I didn't see the ILB's much because I was paying more attention to the DL so I won't comment on them. I don't want to rewatch the game again to see their play

OLB's did pretty good from what I could tell and did get some pressure on Losman but he proved to be pretty elusive and also got rid of the ball to avoid sacks.

DRob is awesome. Nuff said. PBuc played soft in the first half but did a little better in the 2nd half. Tackled better than advertised.

CCBrown was good against the run and around the ball alot. I didn't see him good enough in coverage to comment.

M Robinson is no worry. We know what we have there.

Carr wasn't as bad as I thought either so I dis agree with you on this one. Some of the balls were on the money. Bradford had one perfectly thrown to him that he should have caught even with the coverage. It would have moved us at least in field goal range and given us a first down. Same with Gaffney not turning around. We are desperately hurting for someone to emerge as an legit #2 receiver. The ball to AJ in triple coverage was not very smart but at that point the Texans were beginning to get desperate to make something happen and Carr tried to force it in to AJ. I'm not ready to see Carr benched yet.

Game changing plays.

Peek not intercepting and taking it to the house along with Bradford not catching the pass to him in the 3rd quarter. These 2 plays would have made the score either 19-17 or 21-19 and put us right in the thick of things.

Penalties that gave the Bills first downs and extended their drives especially the roughing the passer call on Simmons.

The ball that was stripped from Carr before his arm went forward. It was the result of another effortless block.

I won't comment on the coaching staff because most alredy know how I feel about Capers/Palmer/Fangio and it hasn't changed. I don't think anyone will lose their job this year unless wehave 7 wins or less with the exception of Palmer. If we look bad against Pittsburgh and don't have much production from our offense he could be gone during the bye week and replaced with Pendry.

I think most of you are wrong on the pick to AJ in the endzone. First off, it was on a play-action pass, that is supposed to at least force the safties to hesitate, AJ had beaten both Milloy and Clements, but becasue we had not been able to run the ball, there was no need to hesitate on Vincents part. That exact same throw on a 3rd and short and its 6 points....
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right and we didn't go deep a lot and it was a great opportunity to catch them off guard. The play action pass worked few times so I had no problem with that call. People complain when we don't go deep and complain when we do.
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I wish when they show the games on TV they would show it from behind. They do it in MNF and it's neat to see the play develop from the QB perspective. Often times we don't get to see what's happening in the secondary. What happens then is that when we play as bad as we did on Sunday all the blame will go on the o-line. I know the o-line was just horrible but I think Carr does stare at his receivers and that's not good thing. I think if we were able to see some of the stuff that was happening in the secondary it would become more clear who really is to blame. But for this particular game against the Bills we just stunk it up everywhere.
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right and we didn't go deep a lot and it was a great opportunity to catch them off guard. The play action pass worked few times so I had no problem with that call. People complain when we don't go deep and complain when we do.
Agree, but David underthrew the ball and did not see Vincent. Admitted dig there.

I still want to see the ball go deep more often.
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I thought that ball was right there, maybe a tad under, but still farther than the 2 trailing defenders. Vincent just made a great take on the ball. It's hard to throw to Andre long when there is cover 2 and guys are looking for Andre, like Vincent said. You have this funny way of making me agree to disagree with you but see your point. You'd make a great bar buddy.
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Not quite sure how we can pin the goof on Gaffney as I did not hear the play call. How do we not know it was not Carr's fault. The play could have called for a throw 10 more yards down the field.

After watching the game, Carr was not on target the whole day. I am more likely to believe his decision making an accuracy were much more culpabale than Gaffney's play.
You cant blame carr he hit bradford in the hands and dont get me started on the gaffney play
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At the leaves us with Carr and man was it worse than even I thought it could be. I started out counting how many seconds he had when he dropped back to pass. I conted around on average of 3 seconds, which I think is fair amount of time to go through a couple of reads and step into the pocket for your other progressions. What is happening is that David drops back and is locked on a receiver and one of three things happen - 1) he throws and it ain't pretty; 2) he takes off and runs; 3) he takes off an tries to create something. Only taking off and run is the good thing. The point here is that the guy has happy feet, plain and simple. If he would just step up into the pocket (and yes OLINE haters there were planty of pockets) and get anohter look, this may solve our problems.
when did you start to count. If you started counting on the snap then I dont think that three seconds is long enough.
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Those of you who have rewatched the game - can you tell me how many times Gaffney was thrown to? He had the one that everyone talks about. Did he have any other chances?

Several have mentioned that Carr locks on his target. The problem is that his target is AJ.

AJ needs to be used as a decoy with Gaffney or the TE as the primary target. When Mathis returns, he needs to take Bradfords place and thrown to often - even if he drops the ball occassionally.
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I personally couldn't stand to watch the game again and maybe or maybe not the OL had a good game..I would say I think the whole offense stunk up the field. OL included. All I can say is something is wrong and been wrong for 4 seasons.. It is either the OL doesn't block on a play or the WR's don't know how to get open or Carr doesn't go through the progressions fast enough (or it is AJ to DD progression)

I think what bugs me the most is the "hype" of the triplets that the networks talk about of DD,Carr, and AJ.. and talented ? yes they are so .. if the OL is playing well what does that say about everything else?
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when did you start to count. If you started counting on the snap then I dont think that three seconds is long enough.
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Those of you who have rewatched the game - can you tell me how many times Gaffney was thrown to? He had the one that everyone talks about. Did he have any other chances?

Several have mentioned that Carr locks on his target. The problem is that his target is AJ.

AJ needs to be used as a decoy with Gaffney or the TE as the primary target. When Mathis returns, he needs to take Bradfords place and thrown to often - even if he drops the ball occassionally.
I do not know, but to give a liberal guess - twice
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We needed to show a lot more formations than the 2 rec 2 te formation we showed. Even though you give the offensive line credit, I still believe we are very prone to the delay blitz as our lineman seem to separate as the play begins and instead of forming a pocket they form like a stonhenge looking formation. Too many times i saw the tackles on an island witha good 3 ft or more between them and the guards. Also too many times i saw our interior lineman give up real estate and get pushed back in on Carr. While that may not be a sack it sure can make a QB very nervous. I think DC after the initial drive was unnerved and did not feel safe so he started to just try and unload the ball.
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Firstly, The offensive line played very well on Sunday. I counted one sack allowed. The rest were Davis's, Murphy's and a receiver's (was out of the picture on the edge) fault. Run blocking good, pass blocking good. Bravo to the O Line.
I'm glad the team looks better than miserable when the game is watched after the heat of the moment. However, "very well" seems a little of an overstatement, as well as saying our run blocking was good.

Davis: 14 carries/48 yards
Johnson: 2 carries/7 yards

Looks like a lot of room for improvement.


Remember, Dre was embarrassed, Riley admitted to confusion and miscommunication on the line, and the offense just didn't produce. If the O-line played very well, we may have to say they were "spectacular" when we run for 90 yards and only give up 3 sacks and 10 hurries.
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I don't have to re-watch anything to know that the offense sucked on Sunday. 25 yards passing is good for a drive but not for a game.
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To add to my long post here are the significant plays:

1st Half:
Davis missed block and a hold.
Receiver missed block, sack
Payne offsides
Payne defensive holding
Carr Rollout, horrible pass to AJ on a 15 yard out
Delay of the game on the Texans at the Bills 5

2nd Half:
David hold
Peek missed interception
Davis missed block, sack
Murphy missed block, sack
Carr interception by Vincent. Carr did not see Vincent at all.
Roughing the passer, on Simmons?
Murphy missed block
Carr runs but does not get first
Takeo causes fumble, Carr no vision and if he made one step up into pocket avoids Takeo.

On of those missed blocks by a TE was Bruener, Not Murphy. But either way they were avoidable. The flip side however is that it looked on both occasions like the TE's released their man expecting Carr to dump to them when they did, but he never saw them. I'm a Carr fan and have been since the begining, but the kid gloves have to come off this season. He needs to read the defense better and scan his options quicker. I'm hopeful this week he'll be in more of a rythem with the home crowd backing him.

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Those of you who have rewatched the game - can you tell me how many times Gaffney was thrown to? He had the one that everyone talks about. Did he have any other chances?

Several have mentioned that Carr locks on his target. The problem is that his target is AJ.

AJ needs to be used as a decoy with Gaffney or the TE as the primary target. When Mathis returns, he needs to take Bradfords place and thrown to often - even if he drops the ball occassionally.
The pass that hit him was the only one that came his way. I agree with your post 100%. you want to free up AJ, throw the ball to someone else and force the D to play man Coverage or Zone rather than double AJ all day long.

Honestly, I think that damn ball hit Gaffney because he had no faith whatsoever that the ball would be coming his way this game. At least not at that point.
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The pass that hit him was the only one that came his way. I agree with your post 100%. you want to free up AJ, throw the ball to someone else and force the D to play man Coverage or Zone rather than double AJ all day long.

Honestly, I think that damn ball hit Gaffney because he had no faith whatsoever that the ball would be coming his way this game. At least not at that point.
The number 1 way to not have the ball thrown to you is to do what he did. I understand thst you need to take pressure off of AJ, but if Gaff isnt even gonna LOOK for the ball why throw to him?
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