Go Back   Houston Texans Message Board & Forum - TexansTalk.com > The Great Fans of the Houston Texans > Texans Talk
Home Forums Register FAQDonate Automatic Monthly Contribution Members List Mark Forums Read


Texans Talk Football talk only please. Keep it to the game, the players, the coaches and management.

Reply
 
Thread Tools Display Modes
Old 09-13-2005   #61
Hervoyel
The Right Track
 
Hervoyel's Avatar
 
Join Date: Apr 2004
Age: 49
Posts: 14,629
Rep Power: 243165 Hervoyel is a quality contributor and well respectedHervoyel is a quality contributor and well respectedHervoyel is a quality contributor and well respectedHervoyel is a quality contributor and well respectedHervoyel is a quality contributor and well respectedHervoyel is a quality contributor and well respectedHervoyel is a quality contributor and well respectedHervoyel is a quality contributor and well respectedHervoyel is a quality contributor and well respectedHervoyel is a quality contributor and well respectedHervoyel is a quality contributor and well respected
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by texasguy346
Love the Captain Insano avatar Herv. You're seriously going to have to start selling these things.

It was fun drawing the tats on his arms.
__________________
A wise man once said "...well at this point it's all been hashed out and you either see it or don't. Hoping for a win next week" - HTown2ATX
Hervoyel is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 09-13-2005   #62
infantrycak
Lead Moderator
 
infantrycak's Avatar
 
Join Date: Apr 2004
Location: Austin, TX
Age: 46
Posts: 45,102
Rep Power: 300095 infantrycak is a quality contributor and well respectedinfantrycak is a quality contributor and well respectedinfantrycak is a quality contributor and well respectedinfantrycak is a quality contributor and well respectedinfantrycak is a quality contributor and well respectedinfantrycak is a quality contributor and well respectedinfantrycak is a quality contributor and well respectedinfantrycak is a quality contributor and well respectedinfantrycak is a quality contributor and well respectedinfantrycak is a quality contributor and well respectedinfantrycak is a quality contributor and well respected
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by Porky
Elevate Hoke to DC, or even head coach. That guy has Jeff Fisher potential, and he will bolt soon to an organization that can see his talent.
Hoke is the second coming, hmmmm? Could be, but I find it very curious that those who are hyping Hoke aren't saying anything about his (a) input into the P-Buc trade or (b) ability to coach P-Buc up to his potential.

Personally, I would like to know more about general defensive philosophy. Is he a Capers/Fangio zone blitzing/complex D guy, or is he a Phillips pin the ears back guy? I haven't seen anything about what he would do if he had more responsibility than the DB's have you?
__________________
The Art of War
infantrycak is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 09-13-2005   #63
Double Barrel
Modified Simian
 
Double Barrel's Avatar
 
Join Date: Oct 2004
Location: Onward, Upward, and back into the Trees
Section: Gridiron, Tx
Age: 47
Posts: 30,614
Rep Power: 293247 Double Barrel is a quality contributor and well respectedDouble Barrel is a quality contributor and well respectedDouble Barrel is a quality contributor and well respectedDouble Barrel is a quality contributor and well respectedDouble Barrel is a quality contributor and well respectedDouble Barrel is a quality contributor and well respectedDouble Barrel is a quality contributor and well respectedDouble Barrel is a quality contributor and well respectedDouble Barrel is a quality contributor and well respectedDouble Barrel is a quality contributor and well respectedDouble Barrel is a quality contributor and well respected
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by Vinny
One of Carr's knocks in College was holding on to the ball too long and locking on to receivers. He hasn't gotten any better.
yikes! And after three full seasons going into the fourth now, it's quite obvious that he's not changing those tendencies. I'm starting to have the same doubts as you, man.
__________________
"Football is only a diversion." ~ HOUSTON TEXANS
Double Barrel is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 09-13-2005   #64
Marcus
Hall of Fame
 
Marcus's Avatar
 
Join Date: Apr 2004
Location: Stafford, Texas
Age: 60
Posts: 7,581
Rep Power: 72459 Marcus is a quality contributor and well respectedMarcus is a quality contributor and well respectedMarcus is a quality contributor and well respectedMarcus is a quality contributor and well respectedMarcus is a quality contributor and well respectedMarcus is a quality contributor and well respectedMarcus is a quality contributor and well respectedMarcus is a quality contributor and well respectedMarcus is a quality contributor and well respectedMarcus is a quality contributor and well respectedMarcus is a quality contributor and well respected
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by Hervoyel
Ok, I'm sure most everyone here has or will read this article in todays Chronicle. Would all of you do me the courtesy of telling me what you think about it here on this thread?
herv,

I haven't commented on the game until now because I wanted to take a couple of days and try to cool off. I think you know, and anyone else who has read my posts since the very beginning . . . knows how much I have defended Casserly, Capers, Palmer, Carr and everyone else, and tried to get everyone to be more patient.

Well, my patience has officially run out. It happened after I read his comments in the Chronicle today:

Quote:
Capers said the reason the Texans didn't use the three-step drop they worked on in the offseason and training camp was because the Bills took it away.

"Their thought process was to take the quick passing game away because that's what they'd seen us throw a lot in preseason," he said. "They played two-deep coverage, and you have to be able to run the ball against two-deep coverage."
Huh? So you go back to the 5 and 7-step drops that got Carr beaten to a pulp all of last season? You take all that time working on a three-step drop in the offseason and preseason . . . and then decide not to use it in the regular season because other teams watched you do it? What kind of sense does that make?

I listen a lot to NFL Sirius Radio . . and Pat Kirwin put it in far better words than I ever could. He said that the Houston Texans are well on their way to turning David Carr . . into another Tim Couch.
Marcus is online now   Reply With Quote
Old 09-13-2005   #65
Exascor
Hall of Fame
 
Exascor's Avatar
 
Join Date: Apr 2004
Location: Atascocita
Posts: 1,585
Rep Power: 35348 Exascor is a quality contributor and well respectedExascor is a quality contributor and well respectedExascor is a quality contributor and well respectedExascor is a quality contributor and well respectedExascor is a quality contributor and well respectedExascor is a quality contributor and well respectedExascor is a quality contributor and well respectedExascor is a quality contributor and well respectedExascor is a quality contributor and well respectedExascor is a quality contributor and well respectedExascor is a quality contributor and well respected
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by Marcus
Pat Kirwin put it in far better words than I ever could. He said that the Houston Texans are well on their way to turning David Carr . . into another Tim Couch.
Note to self: When I finally get that 2 Billion dollars I've been saving up to buy the 33rd franchise in the NFL...don't let my GM pick a QB the first year. Make him wait until after the team is established.
__________________
Texans v3.0 - Currently in alpha testing - Expected release date 9/7/2014
Exascor is online now   Reply With Quote
Old 09-13-2005   #66
Hervoyel
The Right Track
 
Hervoyel's Avatar
 
Join Date: Apr 2004
Age: 49
Posts: 14,629
Rep Power: 243165 Hervoyel is a quality contributor and well respectedHervoyel is a quality contributor and well respectedHervoyel is a quality contributor and well respectedHervoyel is a quality contributor and well respectedHervoyel is a quality contributor and well respectedHervoyel is a quality contributor and well respectedHervoyel is a quality contributor and well respectedHervoyel is a quality contributor and well respectedHervoyel is a quality contributor and well respectedHervoyel is a quality contributor and well respectedHervoyel is a quality contributor and well respected
Default

That's pretty bad stuff Marcus. It reveals so much about where Capers is taking this team and what we have to look forward to this year, and probably next year too. To say that Buffalo "took it away" is no different than Capers coming out and saying "We surrender". That's very fundamental stuff there.

You don't do what the other team lets you do. For crying out loud what kind of non-philosophy is that? You impose your will on your opponent. You overpower them and execute your offense.

Like you I saw that today and couldn't believe my eyes. This board is littered with posts where people crucify Carr for talking like a loser in his interviews after the game. Every single one of those posters needs to understand where he's getting it from.

Capers is gone in my eyes. From this day forward I'm counting time until the Texans send this very nice, meticulous, honest, and honorable loser packing.
__________________
A wise man once said "...well at this point it's all been hashed out and you either see it or don't. Hoping for a win next week" - HTown2ATX
Hervoyel is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 09-13-2005   #67
touttail
All Pro
 
touttail's Avatar
 
Join Date: Nov 2004
Location: Baytown
Age: 59
Posts: 948
Rep Power: 10 touttail is ridin' the pine
Default

They know they were hopeless and embarassing. Don't need us or the media telling them that.
They need to pick their heads up, or out of their you know what, and be an aggrevated and an agressive team Sunday.

That's what I will be looking for!!!!

bobby 119C
touttail is offline   Reply With Quote
Sponsored links
Old 09-13-2005   #68
Porky
Hall of Fame
 
Porky's Avatar
 
Join Date: Apr 2004
Age: 51
Posts: 12,192
Rep Power: 55535 Porky is a quality contributor and well respectedPorky is a quality contributor and well respectedPorky is a quality contributor and well respectedPorky is a quality contributor and well respectedPorky is a quality contributor and well respectedPorky is a quality contributor and well respectedPorky is a quality contributor and well respectedPorky is a quality contributor and well respectedPorky is a quality contributor and well respectedPorky is a quality contributor and well respectedPorky is a quality contributor and well respected
Default

I also saw his quote in the Chronic today, and almost coughed out my oatmeal through my nose. I thought WTF is he doing actually getting anywhere near coaching a team with that kind of losers mentality. I couldn't believe it. But, this is pretty much par for the course. I have been harping on his whole "take what the other team gives" us mantra for a couple of years now. Besides that, how in the h e double hockey sticks does a defense take away the three step drop anyway? Can someone explain that one to me? It's pretty simple really. You see you grab the ball from the center, and you go one step, two steps, three steps, that's a boy. See how easy it is. Pretty soon you'll be dancing like Fred Aistaire. So they played two deep coverage. How in the world does that take a quick passing game away? Does Capers expect us to swallow this garbage? Are the Texans the only team to see two deep coverage? BS. If Carr can't beat the damn coverage, put in a QB who actually has a clue. The crapola is getting deep.
__________________
Your local CruiseOne Vacation specialist. www.firstclasscruising.biz Visit me on Facebook.
Porky is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 09-13-2005   #69
CajunTexan
Veteran
 
Join Date: Sep 2005
Age: 53
Posts: 153
Rep Power: 0 CajunTexan is ridin' the pine
Default

You know, one thing that does not get much run is the running game. I'm from Louisiana and bleed purple and gold, but I really do not believe DD is all that and a bag of chips at running back. I mean, I do not think he scares any defensive coordinator in the league. When he has gotten his yards, we have had a balanced attack. But, if a team puts 7 or 8 in the box DD goes nowhere.

Absolutely nothing was addressed in the off season to improve the offense. An offense that from year one should have been designed around Carr's strength's, strong arm, mobility a verticle offense has been tweeked to 3 step drops etc. They did not get the players to protect Carr and the verticle design, so they admitted defeat and changed it. No wonder Carr "felt like he was back in his rookie year."
CajunTexan is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 09-13-2005   #70
Vinny
shiny happy fan
 
Vinny's Avatar
 
Join Date: Apr 2004
Age: 50
Posts: 21,769
Rep Power: 153410 Vinny is a quality contributor and well respectedVinny is a quality contributor and well respectedVinny is a quality contributor and well respectedVinny is a quality contributor and well respectedVinny is a quality contributor and well respectedVinny is a quality contributor and well respectedVinny is a quality contributor and well respectedVinny is a quality contributor and well respectedVinny is a quality contributor and well respectedVinny is a quality contributor and well respectedVinny is a quality contributor and well respected
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by Porky
Besides that, how in the h e double hockey sticks does a defense take away the three step drop anyway? Can someone explain that one to me? It's pretty simple really.
It is simple. You press the receivers and shade your linebackers inside. This takes away the slant and the hitch. Your QB needs to be able to read coverages though...or you will throw a bunch of picks.
__________________
http://twitter.com/#!/TexansTalk


"A nation of sheep begets a government of wolves" - Edward R. Murrow
Vinny is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 09-13-2005   #71
Iroquois Joe
Rookie
 
Iroquois Joe's Avatar
 
Join Date: Sep 2005
Location: Upstate NY
Age: 57
Posts: 22
Rep Power: 0 Iroquois Joe is ridin' the pine
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by Porky
I would get rid of Palmer, Fangio, Capers, Casserly, and all of the assistants except Hoke. Elevate Hoke to DC, or even head coach. That guy has Jeff Fisher potential, and he will bolt soon to an organization that can see his talent.
First post boys. New coach, Our DC is a prime prospect who hails from Texas. That's right folks Mr.Jerry Gray. He's going to get snatched up next year by some smart GM or owner.

Dropped by to see how you all were, looks like every other teams board when they loose, a game.

Bills' was the same, especially after Frankenstien Bledsoe pulled off one of his spectacular goof ups that cost us a game, the Bills may lose more than they win this year, but regardless, I'll be sticking with my team. Stick with yours, it's only the opening game, 15 more to go.

Give your D credit. They did pretty well against the run and stood tall a couple of times in the red zone.

Last edited by Iroquois Joe; 09-13-2005 at 09:26 PM.
Iroquois Joe is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 09-13-2005   #72
Porky
Hall of Fame
 
Porky's Avatar
 
Join Date: Apr 2004
Age: 51
Posts: 12,192
Rep Power: 55535 Porky is a quality contributor and well respectedPorky is a quality contributor and well respectedPorky is a quality contributor and well respectedPorky is a quality contributor and well respectedPorky is a quality contributor and well respectedPorky is a quality contributor and well respectedPorky is a quality contributor and well respectedPorky is a quality contributor and well respectedPorky is a quality contributor and well respectedPorky is a quality contributor and well respectedPorky is a quality contributor and well respected
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by Vinny
It is simple. You press the receivers and shade your linebackers inside. This takes away the slant and the hitch. Your QB needs to be able to read coverages though...or you will throw a bunch of picks.
Ya, I knew their corners were pressing a lot. My post was somewhat toungue in cheek. I mean, they act like we are the poor picked on Texans. Nobody will let us have a touchdown easily. Boo freakin hoo. Do they expect us to believe other teams don't face press coverages, two deep zones, mixed coverages, various blitz packages, man-to-man coverage, rolling of safeties to one side, double coverages, and on and on. I am sick and tired of the same dog and pony show. It's the same old tired excuses game after game going on four years now. Enough, I say. News Flash to Capers and Cass - The Texans are not the only team to see these coverages, yet, you morons act like it is. I have concluded one of two things - a. the players (notably Carr) do not have the mental or physical capacity to learn to overcome these defenses, in which case those in charge of assembling the talent should be fired, or b. the coaches are not teaching or getting through to their charges, in which case, the coaches should be fired. I have a feeling it's a bit of both, so at this point, I am in favor of ditching the whole blasted lot of them. If I see another round of these weak excuses next week, I think I may undergo spontanous combustion.
__________________
Your local CruiseOne Vacation specialist. www.firstclasscruising.biz Visit me on Facebook.
Porky is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 09-13-2005   #73
Kaiser Toro
Native Mod
 
Kaiser Toro's Avatar
 
Join Date: Sep 2004
Location: Straight Outta Austin
Age: 44
Posts: 16,041
Rep Power: 39244 Kaiser Toro is a quality contributor and well respectedKaiser Toro is a quality contributor and well respectedKaiser Toro is a quality contributor and well respectedKaiser Toro is a quality contributor and well respectedKaiser Toro is a quality contributor and well respectedKaiser Toro is a quality contributor and well respectedKaiser Toro is a quality contributor and well respectedKaiser Toro is a quality contributor and well respectedKaiser Toro is a quality contributor and well respectedKaiser Toro is a quality contributor and well respectedKaiser Toro is a quality contributor and well respected
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by Iroquois Joe
First post boys. New coach, Our DC is a prime prospect who hails from Texas. That's right folks Mr.Jerry Gray. He's going to get snatched up next year by some smart GM or owner.

Dropped by to see how you all were, looks like every other teams board when they loose, a game.

Bills' was the same, especially after Frankenstien Bledsoe pulled off one of his spectacular goof ups that cost us a game, the Bills may lose more than they win this year, but regardless, I'll be sticking with my team. Stick with yours, it's only the opening game, 15 more to go.

Give your D credit. They did pretty well against the run and stood tall a couple of times in the red zone.
Thanks for the spiritual words. I have been on the Gray bandwagon for a couple of weeks, but have not given up on Capers just yet. Just keeping an eye on the best option.
__________________
Smell the glove is here
Kaiser Toro is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 09-13-2005   #74
edo783
Site Contributor
 
edo783's Avatar
 
Join Date: Apr 2004
Location: Houston, again.
Posts: 7,706
Rep Power: 4641 edo783 is a quality contributor and well respectededo783 is a quality contributor and well respectededo783 is a quality contributor and well respectededo783 is a quality contributor and well respectededo783 is a quality contributor and well respectededo783 is a quality contributor and well respectededo783 is a quality contributor and well respectededo783 is a quality contributor and well respectededo783 is a quality contributor and well respectededo783 is a quality contributor and well respectededo783 is a quality contributor and well respected
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by Marcus
herv,

I listen a lot to NFL Sirius Radio . . and Pat Kirwin put it in far better words than I ever could. He said that the Houston Texans are well on their way to turning David Carr . . into another Tim Couch.
I was saying that last season. I suspect we have ruined what COULD have been an eliet QB. That ol Mike Vick may not have been all that dumb coming out early to avoid the expansion team.
__________________


De Oppresso Liber
edo783 is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 09-13-2005   #75
Marcus
Hall of Fame
 
Marcus's Avatar
 
Join Date: Apr 2004
Location: Stafford, Texas
Age: 60
Posts: 7,581
Rep Power: 72459 Marcus is a quality contributor and well respectedMarcus is a quality contributor and well respectedMarcus is a quality contributor and well respectedMarcus is a quality contributor and well respectedMarcus is a quality contributor and well respectedMarcus is a quality contributor and well respectedMarcus is a quality contributor and well respectedMarcus is a quality contributor and well respectedMarcus is a quality contributor and well respectedMarcus is a quality contributor and well respectedMarcus is a quality contributor and well respected
Default

You know what else ***angers me greatly***?

I can't watch any other NFL game and just enjoy the competition for what it is? Instead, all I see is how the other teams' QBs have a chance to set up and look downfield.

Pathetic or what? It almost makes me wonder if I had more fun watching football when this city didn't have a team.

I said almost for those of you who are hard of hearing.

Last edited by Hervoyel; 09-14-2005 at 12:13 AM. Reason: I think that's what you meant Marcus
Marcus is online now   Reply With Quote
Old 09-13-2005   #76
Double Barrel
Modified Simian
 
Double Barrel's Avatar
 
Join Date: Oct 2004
Location: Onward, Upward, and back into the Trees
Section: Gridiron, Tx
Age: 47
Posts: 30,614
Rep Power: 293247 Double Barrel is a quality contributor and well respectedDouble Barrel is a quality contributor and well respectedDouble Barrel is a quality contributor and well respectedDouble Barrel is a quality contributor and well respectedDouble Barrel is a quality contributor and well respectedDouble Barrel is a quality contributor and well respectedDouble Barrel is a quality contributor and well respectedDouble Barrel is a quality contributor and well respectedDouble Barrel is a quality contributor and well respectedDouble Barrel is a quality contributor and well respectedDouble Barrel is a quality contributor and well respected
Cool

Quote:
Originally Posted by edo783
I suspect we have ruined what COULD have been an elite QB.
That thought has crossed my mind many times the past 48 hours.

Is it something he can overcome?...with us? A new start somewhere else?

Quote:
Originally Posted by Marcus
You know what else ***angers me greatly***?

I can't watch any other NFL game and just enjoy the competition for what it is? Instead, all I see is how the other teams' QBs have a chance to set up and look downfield.

Pathetic or what?
No, man, its not pathetic at all. I've thought the exact same thing watching all the other games. It is quite aggravating.

Same with our running game, too.
__________________
"Football is only a diversion." ~ HOUSTON TEXANS
Double Barrel is offline   Reply With Quote
Reply

Go Back   Houston Texans Message Board & Forum - TexansTalk.com > The Great Fans of the Houston Texans > Texans Talk
Home Forums Register FAQ Members List Calendar Mark Forums Read


Currently Active Users Viewing This Thread: 1 (0 members and 1 guests)
 
Thread Tools
Display Modes

Posting Rules
You may not post new threads
You may not post replies
You may not post attachments
You may not edit your posts

BB code is On
Smilies are On
[IMG] code is On
HTML code is Off
Forum Jump


All times are GMT -5. The time now is 12:25 AM.


Powered by vBulletin® Version 3.7.2
Copyright ©2000 - 2014, Jelsoft Enterprises Ltd.
Ad Management by RedTyger