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Old 09-13-2005   #41
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I gave some rep for that quote the other day. Hilarious.

I'll PM you after I finish watching the game and post my thoughts on the Bills game....It will be a few hours since I have a bit of real work to do too.
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Here is what Palmer and Capers have done as a HC in the NFL: pro-football-reference.com
Palmer:
+--------------+----------+
| Reg. Season | Playoffs |
+----------+--------------+----------+
| Year TM | W L T | W L |
+----------+--------------+----------+
| 1999 cle | 2 14 0 | 0 0 |
| 2000 cle | 3 13 0 | 0 0 |
+----------+--------------+----------+
| TOTALS | 5 27 0 | 0 0 |
+----------+--------------+----------+
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PT = points, Y = yards, A = attempts, YA = yards per attempt

+----------+--------- Offense --------------+-------- Defense --------------+----+
| |- TOT --|--- Rush --|--- Pass --|- TOT--|--- Rush --|--- Pass --| OUT|
| Year TM | PT Y A Y YA TD A Y YA TD | PT Y A Y YA TD A Y YA TD | OF|
+----------+--------------------------------+-------------------------------+----+
| 1999 cle | 31 31 31 31 20 22 28 29 28 20 | 29 31 31 31 30 31 13 11 11 5 | 31 |
| 2000 cle | 31 31 31 30 30 26 24 29 29 30 | 27 28 31 29 19 30 7 13 21 11 | 31 |
+----------+--------------------------------+-------------------------------+----+

Capers:
+--------------+----------+
| Reg. Season | Playoffs |
+----------+--------------+----------+
| Year TM | W L T | W L |
+----------+--------------+----------+
| 1995 car | 7 9 0 | 0 0 |
| 1996 car | 12 4 0 | 1 1 |
| 1997 car | 7 9 0 | 0 0 |
| 1998 car | 4 12 0 | 0 0 |
| 2002 hou | 4 12 0 | 0 0 |
| 2003 hou | 5 11 0 | 0 0 |
| 2004 hou | 7 9 0 | 0 0 |
+----------+--------------+----------+
| TOTALS | 46 66 0 | 1 1 |
+----------+--------------+----------+
Team rankings
PT = points, Y = yards, A = attempts, YA = yards per attempt

+----------+--------- Offense --------------+-------- Defense --------------+----+
| |- TOT --|--- Rush --|--- Pass --|- TOT--|--- Rush --|--- Pass --| OUT|
| Year TM | PT Y A Y YA TD A Y YA TD | PT Y A Y YA TD A Y YA TD | OF|
+----------+--------------------------------+-------------------------------+----+
| 1995 car | 25 27 15 20 30 21 18 25 25 25 | 8 9 18 10 4 27 23 17 7 4 | 30 |
| 1996 car | 7 23 4 15 24 22 24 20 11 15 | 2 12 3 8 24 4 22 18 11 7 | 30 |
| 1997 car | 27 26 19 15 14 18 14 25 27 21 | 13 13 25 22 17 18 6 8 12 8 | 30 |
| 1998 car | 12 19 25 28 25 17 19 11 11 9 | 27 30 25 26 25 23 12 26 28 30 | 30 |
| 2002 hou | 32 32 21 31 32 32 32 32 30 32 | 20 18 32 28 14 15 6 8 13 21 | 32 |
| 2003 hou | 28 31 22 23 21 15 31 30 21 29 | 27 31 30 31 22 23 12 31 31 21 | 32 |
| 2004 hou | 21 15 10 13 23 7 24 16 11 27 | 15 23 7 13 23 1 24 24 23 30 | 32 |
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Those '99 and '00 years are two expansion years on a team less talented than the Texans. Couch had a better rookie year than Carr fwiw.
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Happy feet, some quarterbacks have them, some don't, and some develop them right before your very eyes.
Very true. Look at Ramsey when he first came in with the Redskins. He had good pocket awareness, and he would make sure his feet were set before he fired a pass off. He doesn't look like the same QB now after having taken a beating under Spurrier, and repeatedly being pushed aside by Gibbs to put in Brunnell. He's got the same problem that Carr has although I doubt he's been sacked anywhere near the amount of times Carr has been.
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One of Carr's knocks in College was holding on to the ball too long and locking on to receivers. He hasn't gotten any better.
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Capers and Palmer Can Not Co-exist .... The systems they each want to operate within are too different . This may have something to do with the way this offense looks on the field .... Because on paper they have very good players at the skill positions .

The O-line is primarily made up of good run blockers who are better serverd with a run between the tackles offense . The O-line takes a lot of heat for poor pass protection , They shoulder a lot of that criticism but part of it is the fact they are in 2nd-3rd and long much of the time .... DD picking up blitzing LB's is difficult when you are the safety valve ....
Capers needs a back like Jerome Bettis or Stephen Davis , big bruiser type backs that are best between the tackles .

The skill position players are MUCH better suited to playing in space .... DD is at his best out of the back-field , in space not staying in to pick up the blitzing LB . Carr is better rolling out .... AJ is ... well , AJ . Carr isnt very good at the play action fake .... He just doesnt SELL the run and thats a big part of Capers passing attack .

As far as Capers wanting to run to set up the pass .... thats fine . Only problem is that every team in the NFL knows what Capers WANTS to do and they stack the line with 8 in the box ..... You just cant run between the tackles against that . Which leads us back to 3rd and long .... when the D-line again knows whats coming .... In Capers offense if you cant run .... you cant pass .

Capers is probably the WORST coach in the NFL when it comes to making OFFENSIVE adjustments . He will not waver from his game plan period...

A possible solution would be to line up in the shot-gun with split backs .... DD and J.Wells or Moran Norris and 3 recievers . Or just DD as a single back and 4 recievers to spread the field ..... But this leads us back to the fundamental differences between Capers and Palmer . :brickwall
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I've spoken about this time and time again over the years and I think this offense is a product of Capers and will probably not open up until he is fired. I don't think that Palmer is the right guy to point a finger at (although he should take his share of the blame for sure) since he had a fantastic offense at Jacksonville with Jimmy Smith and Mark Bruenell, but nobody wants to hear that so I just stopped speaking about it because I just don't want to argue a point that is so debatable and with so much random hysteria attached to it here. The Palmer Jags were one of the most explosive offenses in the NFL and Brunell never played better than he did under Palmer (In Brunells 12 year career, the 2 of Brunellís highest QB rating years came under Palmer). I'd say the same thing about Bledsoe. Bledsoe had his best years under Palmer and once Palmer left Bledsoe hasn't produced the same way. I have a few more thoughts on this but will probably relay them as this season unfolds. Palmer is not the guy who wants an ultra conservative, ball-controll offense. That man is Capers.
Not really arguing your take on Bruenell and Bledsoe, but last I looked, Palmer never got them to the promised land. Pick a card, any card, there's plenty of those blame cards to go around.
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I'll say this:

If Johnson asks for a trade, we ask him, "Who can we bench or fire to make you want to stay?" That's what our owner should be thinking. I know that's highly irregular, but of all the staff and players we have right now, AJ and Robinson are the only people that I am certain that nobody wants to see them go. OK, CC Brown's looking pretty good too and I'm sure he's cheap.

If things don't change soon, I want somebody fired. I'm not sure who, but I want to see that McNair knows there's a problem and is doing something about it, or Casserly (whoever does that, lol), and I'm not sure Casserly is so safe either. Not at all.
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"Johnson was escorted out of the interview area after using some form of the word embarrass three times. He was allowed to answer just eight questions."

Our elite players will bolt the first chance they get. There are always ways to force a trade.
Once we lose Andre, its over...He has too much talent to be wasting every year on hopes....
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One of Carr's knocks in College was holding on to the ball too long and locking on to receivers. He hasn't gotten any better.
The really bad thing is that his "College Critique" DIDN'T mention happy feet! That's something he's learned while with the Texans. It's bad in (at least) a couple of ways:

A) He doesn't trust the Texans line to keep him from getting crushed; he's no longer as willing to take the hit in the pocket in order to give the play time to develop. He's convinced (unless there's completely blown coverage) that the play never WILL develop.

B) Now he "locks on" to a receiver while fleeing towards the sideline and rarely throws across his body. This makes it FAR easier for the DB to cover (less area to cover) and more likely that we'll end up with an incomplete or an Int.

C) It makes him even MORE prone to NOT following his progressions. He "hears the footsteps" almost as soon as the ball is snapped now. He looks for his 'outlet' receiver (usually a close-in RB) and forgets the rest of the designed play in favor of living to fight another day.
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When Mack Brown became the head coach at Texas, he decided to retain defensive coordinator Carl Reese. Reese was a solid coordinator that believed in an aggressive defense with man coverage and a lot of blitzes. Brown let Reese run this style for a couple of years before he pushed for him to use a more conservative zone blocking scheme. Reese did this and it was a failure. It wasn't the scheme he loved and believed in. Eventually this led to his demise.

I think this is the situation we find ourselves in with Palmer and Capers. Palmer isn't really geared to run this style of play calling. While I think Palmer can be successful, I don't think he can do that within Capers' parameters. I really hope that Palmer is the scapegoat for this season (if we underachieve) and that Capers brings in a guy more suited to his system.
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I really hope that Palmer is the scapegoat for this season (if we underachieve) and that Capers brings in a guy more suited to his system.

I'd like to see them both gone ....
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I would get rid of Palmer, Fangio, Capers, Casserly, and all of the assistants except Hoke. Elevate Hoke to DC, or even head coach. That guy has Jeff Fisher potential, and he will bolt soon to an organization that can see his talent.
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Now that I've had time to sit and simmer in my negativity for a while I'm starting to calm down a little bit. It still doesn't take much to set me off but I'm at least no longer trying to find a good strong beam in my house that could hold a rope.

I'd honestly like to see a Palmer led team on an interim basis. Send Dom packing, keep everyone below him if they're willing to stay and promote as needed. I'd just like to see us either continue to do what we've been doing (and then really go buck wild on the "Fire Palmer" bandwagon) or see things change a little bit as we try to get a little wild and crazy with the offense.

I'd like to know for certain who's responsible for this train wreck. Firing Capers first accomplishes that. Even if nothing changes and it wasn't technically Capers fault it happened on his watch so you wouldn't feel bad for letting him go if it turned out Palmer was the problem.

Does that make any sense?
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Now that I've had time to sit and simmer in my negativity for a while I'm starting to calm down a little bit. It still doesn't take much to set me off but I'm at least no longer trying to find a good strong beam in my house that could hold a rope.

I'd honestly like to see a Palmer led team on an interim basis. Send Dom packing, keep everyone below him if they're willing to stay and promote as needed. I'd just like to see us either continue to do what we've been doing (and then really go buck wild on the "Fire Palmer" bandwagon) or see things change a little bit as we try to get a little wild and crazy with the offense.

I'd like to know for certain who's responsible for this train wreck. Firing Capers first accomplishes that. Even if nothing changes and it wasn't technically Capers fault it happened on his watch so you wouldn't feel bad for letting him go if it turned out Palmer was the problem.

Does that make any sense?
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We are all searching for someone to be accountable, this is what happens when there is no leader on the team or on the staff. One vision, one voice and one heartbeat are usually good cliches that winning teams sing the praise of.
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Did you notice Carr looked hurt in the second quarter? He threw like he couldnt extend right.
I noticed that a little bit. It really looked bad on one play when he was not under significant pressure, but threw the ball short like he didn't have enough power behind it. Carr has been know for having one of the strongest arms in the league and I think Gaffney even compared his strength to Favre's when he came over from Green Bay. Carr's performance was pitiful to say the least, but it looks like getting knocked in the head and on the ground might be taking either his vision away or some of his strength.
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Calm? I'll be calm when every person who was responsible for that debacle Sunday is standing in the unemployment line. That goes for Casserly to the guy who drives those silly trains ferrying players to and fro.
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I can only imagine what the Broncos mb looks like after getting spanked by Miami.
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Love the Captain Insano avatar Herv. You're seriously going to have to start selling these things.
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as much as people want to see carr rolled out of the pocket (and understandibly so considering the pocket) ive thought for sometime he dosent throw all that well on the move...

problem is..

hes always on the move wether its a designed rollout or hes shuffling over a few feet to evade someone.

and his mechancis regress after just 1 sack...even less then a sack.

a qb on the move with bad mechanics pretty much sums up what we've seen so far.

if thats not the explanation what is? how does a qb lose his accuarcy that bad over an offseason?
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