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Old 09-12-2005   #41
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That's easy ... first we added VICTOR FRIGGIN RILEY! Second, the coaching staff has NOT changed. These are the precise issues I'm addressing. If you can honestly say to yourself that any other QB would be anywhere differently after 3 years in this system, then we have nothing more to discuss.
You just made my point for me thank you...If things have been the same for the last 3 seasons, why has Carr regressed and not at least kept up his performance of the last 2 or 3 seasons? Last season he threw only 14 INT's all season and has 3 already this season in one game...Face it Carr=Couch
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What are you supposed to be a Gr8 fan of? To me you sound very average.
well is sure ain't David Carr, now is it.

and not that I really OWE you some kind of answer, but since I am feeling ina generous mood today, I am thegr8fan of the Texans as a whole. As embarrassing as that is to admit to after yesterdays game. It doesn't mean I am going to watch them play like a bunch of smucks and NOT say anything about it.

But I also like to stay on topic and the topic of this thread was David Carr, not the Texans as a team.
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You just made my point for me thank you...If things have been the same for the last 3 seasons, why has Carr regressed and not at least kept up his performance of the last 2 or 3 seasons? Last season he threw only 14 INT's all season and has 3 already this season in one game...Face it Carr=Couch
You have no clue. Sure Carr made mistakes yesterday, we were playing a top 5 defense, of course he's going to make a few bonehead plays. He made some potential nice plays too (Gaffney shoulder, Bradford long bomb with eyes closed)
I actually didn't mind them going deep for the endzone on that one pick, Andre had beat 2 guys, the safety just made a fantastic play, he's a pro-bowler. What I do have a problem with is Carr not having the time to set up and view his options, he has to focus on a particular target because of a collapsing pocket. There was pressure from the sides where our tackles were routinely getting beat on the speed rush, we got pressure up the middle from bull rushes. When you have pressure like that and you don't call quick slants but maybe 3 times a game, your offense is going to sputter. I can't blame the QB for that.
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You have no clue. Sure Carr made mistakes yesterday, we were playing a top 5 defense, of course he's going to make a few bonehead plays. He made some potential nice plays too (Gaffney shoulder, Bradford long bomb with eyes closed)I actually didn't mind them going deep for the endzone on that one pick, Andre had beat 2 guys, the safety just made a fantastic play, he's a pro-bowler. What I do have a problem with is Carr not having the time to set up and view his options, he has to focus on a particular target because of a collapsing pocket. There was pressure from the sides where our tackles were routinely getting beat on the speed rush, we got pressure up the middle from bull rushes. When you have pressure like that and you don't call quick slants but maybe 3 times a game, your offense is going to sputter. I can't blame the QB for that.
Carr has been making mistakes since game 1 preseason, and a lot of people said "It's only preseason it doesn't count" and to that I said it may not count, but we get to see how our first team offense looks against other 1st team defenses and there is reason for worry. A lot of people called me crazy, and now some of them are calling for Carr's head. Sure he was pressured some yesterday, but the small amount of time he played in the preseason he was not pressured at all and was throwing INT's left and right...And as far as the throw to Andre, there was no fantastic play made there. It looked like Carr threw the ball straight up into the air and it hung for 10 seconds, by the time the ball came down there were 3 defenders around Andre.

CARR PRESEASON STATS
15/34 114 yards 44.1 completion percentage 1 TD 4 INT sacked 1 time
Oh but it was just preseason, it didn't mean anything...
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and not that I really OWE you some kind of answer, but since I am feeling in a generous mood today, I am thegr8fan of the Texans as a whole. As embarrassing as that is to admit to after yesterdays game. It doesn't mean I am going to watch them play like a bunch of schmucks and NOT say anything about it.

But I also like to stay on topic and the topic of this thread was David Carr, not the Texans as a team.
(in a tone as if speaking to a pouty little girl): Come on, baby. I'm sorry I made you mad. When I read your first post, it seemed like you were just an angry guy bashing David Carr. Now that I've read a second post, I can see you're not even that.
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LOL, carefull rafterticket, the Mods on this board don't like personal bashing.

Your gonna have to be a bit more inventive if you think that is going to upset me or something. Your using the wrong bait son, and I just ain't biting.

I will be at the games and make noise with the best of them in support of the team. I won't 'boo' Carr when he is on the field, or makes a bad play, no matter how much I think he deserves it. But I won't put on the 'Carr is a God' Beer Bottle thick Rose colored glass's that some on this board like the wear permantly.

Ragone may not be able to do much better than Carr. But with a rating of 12.1, does anyone think Ragone could any WORSE?
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Mods and Gr8fan, my apologies. That was said in fun, I swear.

Gr8fan, I know you are a fan. I just vehemently disagree with you.
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Ragone may not be able to do much better than Carr. But with a rating of 12.1, does anyone think Ragone could any WORSE?
Yes. The way the team played yesterday, no QB would have done much (any) better, and inexperienced ones would do worse.
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Just because he does not have much experience against 1st team talent does not make Ragone inexperienced...
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Don't take this the wrong way texan fans, but I beleive that Carr is the next Tim Couch (minus the playoff appearances).
LOL the Jags have their own problems with Leftwich.

How many points did y'all score last year? Oh thats right not very many!!
Your defense carries your team.

Leftwich + Texans O-line = #1 overall pick in the Draft.
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LOL the Jags have their own problems with Leftwich.

How many points did y'all score last year? Oh thats right not very many!!
Your defense carries your team.

Leftwich + Texans O-line = #1 overall pick in the Draft.


Lefty looked like Marino yesterday. Carr looked like Betty White. Last year is just what it is, last year. Now, with that said I always have liked Carr, and hope he will become a top QB in the league. Maybe its not him or the o-line. Could it be the blocking scheme? BTW Jags put up 26 yesterday. Oh, more importantly got the W.
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I agree that Carr is basically getting cippled out there. I don't think Vick, P. Manning, McNabb, McNair, Brady, and dare I say Rothlesberger would survive behind our O-line.
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I knew there was a reason we should have kept Drew Henson.. We could have alternated series to keep both from taking a severe beating
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Lets put the blame where it needs to be, Palmers mom. If she never gave birth to him then he wouldnt be our O/C.

There is said it.
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Lets put the blame where it needs to be, Palmers mom. If she never gave birth to him then he wouldnt be our O/C.

There is said it.
Man, that hurt.
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First of all, this is crazy!

IT IS NOT DAVID'S FAULT! :twocents
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Gr8fan, I know you are a fan. I just vehemently disagree with you.
no insult taken rafterticket, but thank you for the apology offered.

and on this you and I will just have to vehemently disagree with each other.

Hey, I'm OK with that though. If this board had a bunch of 'yes men' it would be pretty boring, IMHO.

and just for the record, I don't put the entire loss on the shoulders of Carr. I think the entire organization 'shoulders' some of the blame. From Casserly down to the towel boys. No one person makes an embarrassing loss like that happen all by themselves. But I do think Carr shares a 'lions share' share of blame. I can certainly understand that some would not agree with that though.

At the end of the day, or high noon come Sunday, we will all be in agreement though that we are ............. fans
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i lie carr. i dont want him to leave. but for his saftey he should. he's gonna get the **** beat out of him..
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If I was Carr.. I would be out the door as fast as my feet could take me.

He is getting NO help down here, if he stays, he will more than likely be forced into early retirement.. either because of injury, or lack of production due to countless seasons with no protection.

If I was him.. id take a job riding the pine for whoever has a good Oline.
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