Who should week 2 starting qb be? - Houston Texans Message Board & Forum

rockabilly · 09-12-2005

Should we give Carr another game after 3 INT's?
Should we give the Veteran Banks a shot at proving he still has what it takes?
Should we test the NFL Europe MVP and PreSeason QB star Dave Ragone a shot to be the leader?

rockabilly · 09-12-2005

Also, please make your argument why you make your pick.

I will start with my pick of Dave Ragone.

I think that he may be able to work in our offense better. I have a great feeling about this guy based on what I saw in the preseason. He has something that David Carr doesnt have yet since training camp - and that is a passing td. When he played in the preseason, he looked more motivated, and more like a leader than carr does. Carr just always has that depressed look on his face...like he gives up. He feels his job is secure. I think Ragone will try double hard to prove himself if we throw him in there...because he did it in Europe, he did it in the preseason, and he has one major thing that Carr doesnt have right now....and that is CONFIDENCE IN HIMSELF AND HIS TEAM.

Give him a shot.

ccdude730 · 09-12-2005

i vote carr to see if he can get out of a funk.

but after week 2 and the bye, we might see a change

Hervoyel · 09-12-2005

I selected Dave Ragone as much for the possible effect it might have on Carr as anything else. It could also be argued that you give Carr another week to see if he can respond to the thumping he took this week and that's a valid approach. It's been done before though and you see what we're still working with. Sit him and let the lefty play. If anything just to see what we have in Ragone.

Corrosion · 09-12-2005

Ive got an even better idea .... How about Casserly or Capers for QB ? Maybe if they see how BAD that O-line is they might go get some help

I voted for Banks to play out the remainder of the season , no need to get Carr killed with this horrid O-line ..... Put him back out there next season .... After a season to mend his wounds and an off-season in which you draft at least one FIRST DAY lineman (D'Brickashaw Ferguson) and pick up at least two more via FA .... Then you plug him back in as the QB .

As for Banks , I could care less if he got hurt ....He's at the end of his rope as it is ..

Ragone ... dont play him behind this line , dont want him hurt or gun shy like Carr is , we may need him someday .

Elite · 09-12-2005

actually i think ragone would be more of a fit right now this team needs something and david aint gonna provide that spark of leadership that they need.

texan0305 · 09-12-2005

i'll go with vince young, is that a viable option, heck i'm an aggie and i'm impressed with vince, ok seriously though no doubt about it in my mind you go with carr, you think carr get sacked alot try putting in banks, he'll be a statue in the pocket, ragone plain and simple isn't all that good, so what the guy put up numbers in europe, it's europe! get real guys the best option we have is carr, you give carr any type of protection, and if his recievers actually run the right routes he might throw up some yards, it's a team effort it starts with the offensive line we should be talkin about how they need new offensive lineman not a new qp, or the fact that our coaching staff is horrible...

ledzeppelin229 · 09-12-2005

It would be nice to see Ragone in a "what if" scenario but if he went in and tanked it, suddenly we have 2 QBs who aren't playing well and the one that IS proven has lost all confidence. Not saying there's much confidence after todays game...but still. I don't think changing QBs after the first game is the answer.

texan0305 · 09-12-2005

ragone will be a prototype back up qb he's not an option, grrr what do i know our coaching staff sucks they'll probably be a point in the season where ragone will play

lol yaa i'm being sarcastic

TMac48 · 09-12-2005

This poll is officially ridiculous.

SPRBWL · 09-12-2005

Quote:

Originally Posted by TMac48

This poll is officially rediculous.

Dont ya mean preposterousous...sus?

HoustonHarley · 09-12-2005

No doubt, you go with Carr. Not even a question.

texan0305 · 09-12-2005

man i feel for carr, much love....

Ihategeeks · 09-12-2005

Carr has 7 ints in the last 5 games.

You got to start him though, next game. If he is still in a funk, throws another 3 picks or some silly nonsense like that.

You guys got some serious trouble.

**Malloy** · 09-12-2005

Tough dicision. As much as I hated last night's loss, judging Carr's progression against w1+w2's opponents might not give him justice. Going against the #1 and #2 defence of last year is tough, no matter who you are. As much as I like Ragone I think that Carr should be allowed to play through the first 3 games, that is, last chance to show progress is w4 against Cincinnati.

If he screws up there(whether it's him, the O-line or the coaching) things need to change after w4 if we're still collection losses.

If we're 0-3 after Cincinnati I would let Ragone start. He might not be "proven" as Carr(is he really?) but he is confident and imo shows real good vision down the field.

Also, to make the calls less conservative I thought Mcnair should introduce a new set of rules. If Palmer calls more than 5 rushes through the middle, every rush after the fifth results in a 10k$ reduction in his salery; per rush.

HJam72 · 09-12-2005

I'm about to vote for Ragone just to give Carr a break. Pittsburgh will be after the QB all game long too. Maybe Ragone would show us something against a great defense with no protection whatsoever, or maybe it will end this kind of discussion, but at least Carr will not be dead.

WWJD · 09-12-2005

You go with David. He's the franchise guy and if he's not hurt he plays.

J-Storm · 09-12-2005

You have to give him 1 more shot to see if he can bounce back. Maybe he is shell-shocked after 3 years of being pounded (I know I would be), and dropping him now will either make him or break him. Not the way he would want to lose his job I'm sure (if Ragone was brought in for instance and succeeded). I agree with the above posts that state if he's fit he goes under centre and that he deserves at least 3 games, which would would mean he gets 'til after the Bengals game to see if he can get his rhythm back...

txhoosier · 09-12-2005

Quote:

Originally Posted by corrosion

Ive got an even better idea .... How about Casserly or Capers for QB ? Maybe if they see how BAD that O-line is they might go get some help

I voted for Banks to play out the remainder of the season , no need to get Carr killed with this horrid O-line ..... Put him back out there next season .... After a season to mend his wounds and an off-season in which you draft at least one FIRST DAY lineman (D'Brickashaw Ferguson) and pick up at least two more via FA .... Then you plug him back in as the QB .

As for Banks , I could care less if he got hurt ....He's at the end of his rope as it is ..

Ragone ... dont play him behind this line , dont want him hurt or gun shy like Carr is , we may need him someday .

Someday is today...Ragone should be taking first unit snaps over at the practice bubble all week long, and starting against Pittsburgh, with Banks as the #2 guy. Carr should well understand that he is p***ing away his opportunity by the end of the week.

HJam72 · 09-12-2005

Playing well against Tampa's 3rd string D will not help Ragone when he's got the Steeler's first string line-backers in his face.

View Poll Results: Pick your week 2 QB
David Carr	62	57.94%
Tony Banks	10	9.35%
Dave Ragone	35	32.71%
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09-12-2005	#3
ccdude730 Hall of Fame Join Date: May 2004 Location: Corpus Christi Posts: 1,615 Rep Power: 128	i vote carr to see if he can get out of a funk. but after week 2 and the bye, we might see a change __________________

09-12-2005	#4
Hervoyel The Right Track Join Date: Apr 2004 Age: 47 Posts: 12,870 Rep Power: 57501	I selected Dave Ragone as much for the possible effect it might have on Carr as anything else. It could also be argued that you give Carr another week to see if he can respond to the thumping he took this week and that's a valid approach. It's been done before though and you see what we're still working with. Sit him and let the lefty play. If anything just to see what we have in Ragone. __________________ A wise man once said "...well at this point it's all been hashed out and you either see it or don't. Hoping for a win next week" - HTown2ATX

09-12-2005	#6
Elite Veteran Join Date: Jun 2005 Age: 36 Posts: 217 Rep Power: 0	actually i think ragone would be more of a fit right now this team needs something and david aint gonna provide that spark of leadership that they need. __________________ David Carr For President

09-12-2005	#7
texan0305 Veteran Join Date: Jun 2005 Age: 28 Posts: 125 Rep Power: 22	ummm i'll go with vince young, is that a viable option, heck i'm an aggie and i'm impressed with vince, ok seriously though no doubt about it in my mind you go with carr, you think carr get sacked alot try putting in banks, he'll be a statue in the pocket, ragone plain and simple isn't all that good, so what the guy put up numbers in europe, it's europe! get real guys the best option we have is carr, you give carr any type of protection, and if his recievers actually run the right routes he might throw up some yards, it's a team effort it starts with the offensive line we should be talkin about how they need new offensive lineman not a new qp, or the fact that our coaching staff is horrible...

09-12-2005	#1
rockabilly Veteran Join Date: Nov 2004 Location: Austin, TX Age: 29 Posts: 407 Rep Power: 30	Who should week 2 starting qb be? Should we give Carr another game after 3 INT's? Should we give the Veteran Banks a shot at proving he still has what it takes? Should we test the NFL Europe MVP and PreSeason QB star Dave Ragone a shot to be the leader?

09-12-2005	#2
rockabilly Veteran Join Date: Nov 2004 Location: Austin, TX Age: 29 Posts: 407 Rep Power: 30	Also Also, please make your argument why you make your pick. I will start with my pick of Dave Ragone. I think that he may be able to work in our offense better. I have a great feeling about this guy based on what I saw in the preseason. He has something that David Carr doesnt have yet since training camp - and that is a passing td. When he played in the preseason, he looked more motivated, and more like a leader than carr does. Carr just always has that depressed look on his face...like he gives up. He feels his job is secure. I think Ragone will try double hard to prove himself if we throw him in there...because he did it in Europe, he did it in the preseason, and he has one major thing that Carr doesnt have right now....and that is CONFIDENCE IN HIMSELF AND HIS TEAM. Give him a shot.

09-12-2005	#5
Corrosion Hall of Fame Join Date: May 2004 Location: Northwest Houston Age: 44 Posts: 26,925 Rep Power: 57783	Ive got an even better idea .... How about Casserly or Capers for QB ? Maybe if they see how BAD that O-line is they might go get some help I voted for Banks to play out the remainder of the season , no need to get Carr killed with this horrid O-line ..... Put him back out there next season .... After a season to mend his wounds and an off-season in which you draft at least one FIRST DAY lineman (D'Brickashaw Ferguson) and pick up at least two more via FA .... Then you plug him back in as the QB . As for Banks , I could care less if he got hurt ....He's at the end of his rope as it is .. Ragone ... dont play him behind this line , dont want him hurt or gun shy like Carr is , we may need him someday .

09-12-2005	#9
texan0305 Veteran Join Date: Jun 2005 Age: 28 Posts: 125 Rep Power: 22	ya ragone will be a prototype back up qb he's not an option, grrr what do i know our coaching staff sucks they'll probably be a point in the season where ragone will play lol yaa i'm being sarcastic

09-12-2005	#10
TMac48 Veteran Join Date: Apr 2004 Location: College Station Age: 28 Posts: 179 Rep Power: 10	This poll is officially ridiculous. Last edited by TMac48; 09-12-2005 at 11:10 PM.

09-12-2005	#12
HoustonHarley Rookie Join Date: Apr 2005 Location: Houston, Texas Age: 40 Posts: 82 Rep Power: 9	No doubt, you go with Carr. Not even a question.

09-12-2005	#13
texan0305 Veteran Join Date: Jun 2005 Age: 28 Posts: 125 Rep Power: 22	carr man i feel for carr, much love....

09-12-2005	#14
Ihategeeks Hall of Fame Join Date: Aug 2004 Location: Lions Hell Age: 28 Posts: 1,877 Rep Power: 24	Carr has 7 ints in the last 5 games. You got to start him though, next game. If he is still in a funk, throws another 3 picks or some silly nonsense like that. You guys got some serious trouble. __________________ KITNA : It's just a name that works with feline mascots.

09-12-2005	#15
Malloy Site Contributor Join Date: May 2005 Location: CPH Age: 38 Posts: 5,333 Rep Power: 4056	Tough dicision. As much as I hated last night's loss, judging Carr's progression against w1+w2's opponents might not give him justice. Going against the #1 and #2 defence of last year is tough, no matter who you are. As much as I like Ragone I think that Carr should be allowed to play through the first 3 games, that is, last chance to show progress is w4 against Cincinnati. If he screws up there(whether it's him, the O-line or the coaching) things need to change after w4 if we're still collection losses. If we're 0-3 after Cincinnati I would let Ragone start. He might not be "proven" as Carr(is he really?) but he is confident and imo shows real good vision down the field. Also, to make the calls less conservative I thought Mcnair should introduce a new set of rules. If Palmer calls more than 5 rushes through the middle, every rush after the fifth results in a 10k$ reduction in his salery; per rush.

09-12-2005	#16
HJam72 Hall of Fame Join Date: Aug 2004 Location: Over here. Age: 40 Posts: 10,472 Rep Power: 18004	I'm about to vote for Ragone just to give Carr a break. Pittsburgh will be after the QB all game long too. Maybe Ragone would show us something against a great defense with no protection whatsoever, or maybe it will end this kind of discussion, but at least Carr will not be dead. __________________

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09-12-2005	#17
WWJD Hall of Fame Join Date: May 2004 Posts: 5,260 Rep Power: 374	You go with David. He's the franchise guy and if he's not hurt he plays.

09-12-2005	#18
J-Storm Veteran Join Date: Jan 2005 Location: Central West NSW, Australia... Age: 36 Posts: 254 Rep Power: 0	You have to give him 1 more shot to see if he can bounce back. Maybe he is shell-shocked after 3 years of being pounded (I know I would be), and dropping him now will either make him or break him. Not the way he would want to lose his job I'm sure (if Ragone was brought in for instance and succeeded). I agree with the above posts that state if he's fit he goes under centre and that he deserves at least 3 games, which would would mean he gets 'til after the Bengals game to see if he can get his rhythm back... __________________ "And if you're not down with that, we've got 2 words for ya - 'Sck It!'..."*

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