Coaching Change ?

[beerlover]

its not pretty who ever is in charge, Capers is conservative maybe too conservative and this influences Palmer's play calling (which is not in his nature) & discussed in detail all week during game planning sessions

[Exascor]

Originally Posted by HomeBred_Texan

We had the pick "before" Detroit and traded it off to New Orleans. We COULD have gotten him instead of a def player....

No we couldn't have. Detroit picked Williams @ 10. Our original pick was @ 13. Check your facts.

[ojthecat]

Originally Posted by HomeBred_Texan

We had the pick "before" Detroit and traded it off to New Orleans. We COULD have gotten him instead of a def player....

Here are the first 16 picks in the first round of the 2005 draft.
Notice that our first pick went to New Orleans at number 13 and Detroit was number 10.

1 1 San Francisco Smith, Alex D. QB 6-4 212 Utah
2 2 Miami Brown, Ronnie RB 6-0 233 Auburn
3 3 Cleveland Edwards, Braylon WR 6-3 211 Michigan
4 4 Chicago Benson, Cedric RB 5-10 222 Texas
5 5 Tampa Bay Williams, Carnell RB 5-11 217 Auburn
6 6 Tennessee Jones, Adam 'Pacman' CB 5-11 187 West Virginia
7 7 Minnesota (from Oakland) Williamson, Troy WR 6-1 203 South Carolina
8 8 Arizona Rolle, Antrel CB 6-0 202 Miami (Fla.)
9 9 Washington Rogers, Carlos CB 6-0 199 Auburn
10 10 Detroit Williams, Mike WR 6-5 229 Southern California
11 11 Dallas Ware, Demarcus DE 6-4 247 Troy State
12 12 San Diego (from N.Y. Giants) Merriman, Shawne OLB 6-4 253 Maryland
13 13 New Orleans (from Houston) Brown, Jammal OT 6-6 313 Oklahoma
14 14 Carolina Davis, Thomas FS 6-1 231 Georgia
15 15 Kansas City Johnson, Derrick O. OLB 6-3 234 Texas
16 16 Houston (from New Orleans) Johnson, Travis DT 6-4 290 Florida State

[Corrosion]

Originally Posted by beerlover

its not pretty who ever is in charge, Capers is conservative maybe too conservative and this influences Palmer's play calling (which is not in his nature) & discussed in detail all week during game planning sessions

This fundamental difference between the two coaches is where the downfall lies IMO ....

Ive said it before and Ill say it again ....

The Texans skill players DO NOT fit into Capers' mold of a POWER running game .... They are better IN SPACE .

While DD is a pretty good back , He isnt Jerome Bettis or Stephen Davis , both good between the tackles and can move the pile . Not to mention that teams always put 8 in the box to stop the running game ... 5 blockers just cant block 8 defenders .
Carr is more suited to a down the field passing game than this dink and dunk 3 step drop brianstorm that Capers and Co. came up with to save a few $$$ as is AJ ..... You dont drop $600k on a Lamborghini and use it in the crash up derby !

Fact is .... If the Texans cant run the ball in the current system they cant pass it either because its 3rd and 7 and the pass rush doesnt have to respect the run . They can line up and Tee Off .....Which is going to make this poor O-line look even worse .

The players dont fit the system ..... so either the players or the coach Have to go ..... and its MUCH easier to fire a coach than replace players at any position other than maybe Water boy ....

Originally Posted by HJam72

What's Holling doing here? Bradford, where's my towel?

[HomeBred_Texan]

Originally Posted by Exascor

No we couldn't have. Detroit picked Williams @ 10. Our original pick was @ 13. Check your facts.

My apologies...
I was wrong..

Can the coaches say that?????

[Corrosion]

Originally Posted by HomeBred_Texan

My apologies...
I was wrong..

Can the coaches say that?????

Highly doubtful ....

[infantrycak]

OK here is my coaching change missed opportunity rant. The Texans had the opportunity to address one of their two self-identified greatest needs with an undisputable top 5 guy at his position for a couple million non-salary cap dollars--Hudson Houck. No offense to Pendry, but his resume for OL isn't anywhere close to Houck's. If Pendry is really here to tweak the O then either make him coordinator or QB coach or something but get the expert at your biggest problem. Miami gave up 52 sacks last year--yup, more than the Texans. It is only one week, but we gave up 5 sacks (yes I know only one on the OL) and Miami gave up zero--and guess what, all the players for this game were on the team last year. I am not fond of all the hindsight on draft picks, whining about Portis, etc. but sheesh IMO this one was pretty obvious, frankly moreso than signing Pace. This is at the top of the list I have for mistakes by the Texans.

[CyberTexan]

I was just wondering , if the Texans do as bad as they did last week when we play the Steelers , do we start considering a coaching change ? ( I know I personally would ) I mean you cant waste a whole season waiting for it to end to Change a Coaching staff , thats just a waste besides I think a coaching change would at least be a step in the right direction just a change period would lift spirits . I was trying to remember how many times it has been done in the past during the season . And after the Steeler game would be perfect considering we have a Bye coming up . Would love to see Jimmy Johnson coach us ( wishfull thinking ) but saw him and the Owner hanging out together during the Katrina Astro Dome thing , think maybe they talked about it at all ? Of course this is all considering we look bad again . coaching change couldnt make us look any worse than last week .

[Kaiser Toro]

Coaching change in Football is very rare. I am not a proponent of it as I would like to see who his available after the season.

However, just like in business the clipboard can be handed over to another. Titles do not necssarily change, but covert words say it all as the new person is going to assume more accountbility, responsbility within the organization.

It is then that we enter the Dotted Line Era.

[Ibar_Harry]

If I were Capers, I would hope he understands a picture is worth 10,000 words. I could think of a number of other people I would like to see in the spot, but most are not available until the end of the season. You kind of wonder if they would go with an interim coach. My problem with that is I don't think any of this coaching staff thinks differently than Capers. Therefore, an interim coach wouldn't be any different that what we have now.

[CyberTexan]

Am I just Dreaming BIG or does anyone else think Jimmy Johnson and Mcnair being at the Astro Dome together was just coincidental ? re they friends in real life or is there any hope of getting him to ever coach again ?

[Hervoyel]

I am of the opinion that with this team, at this time, a head coaching change might make a difference depending on several factors. First is the million dollar question of who's taking over.

Is it Palmer who takes over on an interim basis? Does that mean our offense is suddenly going to undergo a personality transplant? I've seen our offense and believe me when I say that I'd trade it's current "personality" for just about anything else out there at this time. I believe that a Capers departure (There is no Fire Capers Club....) combined with a Palmer promotion would mean an improved offense. Pressure to conform to a specific type of conservative style would be lifted and at the same time I think Palmer would very much want the chance to resume his head coaching career. I think we'd see some fireworks. Assuming the defensive coaches stay put and continue to focus on improving our defense I think we could be seeing results pretty fast.

If it's Fangio who gets the interim job then we're looking at the second coming of Capers unless he's told to give Palmer the go ahead on offensive matters.

The good thing about an interim coach is that he can be the answer or he can be sent packing with little fanfare once the season is over. I personally hope that Bob is willing to make a move if one is warranted regardless of how many games are left in 2005.

[CyberTexan]

If it was Palmer who took over , I think the Fams would be very dissapointed I know I would , when I say coaching change i meant for Capers to take Palmer with him .

[Porky]

Start considering a coaching change? Heck, I started considering it last year and throughout the offseason. After that putrid effort, and Capers lame comments afterward, I am WAY beyond considering it. Frankly, there is nothing short of winning the Super Bowl that will make me change my mind at this point. I am slow to burn, but once I hit the quick, I light up like the fourth of July....meaning that I have a ton of patience, but once my patience is consumed, I get extremely angry, and that's that. Once my mind is made up like this, there is no looking back. It was time for a change as of Sunday afternoon. Everything else is just biding time now.

[Ibar_Harry]

Originally Posted by Hervoyel

I am of the opinion that with this team, at this time, a head coaching change might make a difference depending on several factors. First is the million dollar question of who's taking over.

Is it Palmer who takes over on an interim basis? Does that mean our offense is suddenly going to undergo a personality transplant? I've seen our offense and believe me when I say that I'd trade it's current "personality" for just about anything else out there at this time. I believe that a Capers departure (There is no Fire Capers Club....) combined with a Palmer promotion would mean an improved offense. Pressure to conform to a specific type of conservative style would be lifted and at the same time I think Palmer would very much want the chance to resume his head coaching career. I think we'd see some fireworks. Assuming the defensive coaches stay put and continue to focus on improving our defense I think we could be seeing results pretty fast.

If it's Fangio who gets the interim job then we're looking at the second coming of Capers unless he's told to give Palmer the go ahead on offensive matters.

The good thing about an interim coach is that he can be the answer or he can be sent packing with little fanfare once the season is over. I personally hope that Bob is willing to make a move if one is warranted regardless of how many games are left in 2005.

Well said. Its the Caper's stigma that you have to get rid of and that really is the real question as you say. You might, or might not, get that depending on who the interim is. Its too bad the decision wasn't made last year. I know I was a lone wolf out there, but this just put us back another year. The signs were there last year, but nobody was willing to accept reality. It really is a shame to see some of the talented players we have continue to suffer through this kind of nonsense, not to mention the fans.

If the fans get up and leave like they did at the end of the Cleveland game last year, I would say Mr. Capers is on his way out. While I would like us to win this game or at least look respectible, I almost think it would not be in the best long term interest of this ball club. That is a sad thing to have to say.

[Ibar_Harry]

I noticed the poll on this web site shows the 96.5% of the people responding feel Capers has to go at some point. I find that interesting given all of the people who have been making excuses for Capers. Only 3.5 % basically are for no change. That is awfully one sided.

[PapaL]

2 things get a true responce from a team; starting QB benched, HC replaced. I'd be all for one or even both if the team is as unprepared as they were last week.

[Ibar_Harry]

Originally Posted by infantrycak

OK here is my coaching change missed opportunity rant. The Texans had the opportunity to address one of their two self-identified greatest needs with an undisputable top 5 guy at his position for a couple million non-salary cap dollars--Hudson Houck. No offense to Pendry, but his resume for OL isn't anywhere close to Houck's. If Pendry is really here to tweak the O then either make him coordinator or QB coach or something but get the expert at your biggest problem. Miami gave up 52 sacks last year--yup, more than the Texans. It is only one week, but we gave up 5 sacks (yes I know only one on the OL) and Miami gave up zero--and guess what, all the players for this game were on the team last year. I am not fond of all the hindsight on draft picks, whining about Portis, etc. but sheesh IMO this one was pretty obvious, frankly moreso than signing Pace. This is at the top of the list I have for mistakes by the Texans.

Very well said, but again the problem is Caper's surrounds himself with his cronies and he's not about to go after anyone who is a threat to show him up. I think it is also a function of the Capers run at all cost mentality and a fixation with the Zone blocking scheme which he bought into hook line and sinker two years ago. I think Houck would want to install a different scheme, and if it worked, that would have made Caper's look bad. While I would love to have seen the change you are talking about, it would not have worked without getting rid of Capers. Believe me I respect what you are saying about this man's ability to coach an O-line.

[fingers5]

Maybe we can go with the Buddy Ryan - Kevin Gilbride model - Each runs there own ship - Who needs a head coach anyway - Let the experts do what they do best with no mediator - Go for a new head coach in the off season - Preferably one with some huevos

[Hervoyel]

Originally Posted by CyberTexan

If it was Palmer who took over , I think the Fams would be very dissapointed I know I would , when I say coaching change i meant for Capers to take Palmer with him .

I think that's very short sighted of you. Stop to consider that in all likelyhood an interim coach isn't going ot accomplish much of anything anyway. In the NFL it's not often that a guy asked to lead the team for the remainder of the season has to worry about what he's going to do in the playoffs. Palmer would probably be our head coach for no more than the remaining games and keeping him would allow the offense to operate without too much upheaval.

Most important you would never know if the real problem was Palmer or Capers. I want the answer to that question very badly right now. If Capers got fire (There is no Fire Capers Club....) then I'd be downright dissappointed if Palmer wasn't given the job on an interim basis.

I want to see what happens.