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COOL V · 09-12-2005

I thought Mcnair was a business man, a winner. What's up??? Does he ever voice an opinion on TV??? He needs to reassure the fans that he'll do whatever it takes to put a winner on the field. And ditch those makeshift coaches. Does he know we lost today??? I swear he's riding his horses somewhere. Did the coaches know that this was a Regular Season Game???

COOL V · 09-12-2005

One thing is for sure the Texans Yearbook(Highlight Video) will be a short one this season. Like Bottle-O said "Just Truth" Can we have a recount, sorry this isn't Florida.

ojthecat · 09-12-2005

Quote:

Originally Posted by SPRBWL

What fire? Are you kidding? Did you see the look on Capers face throughout the whole game? He looked dumber than a bag of hammers

I have to disagree I do believe that a bag of hammers would have gone for it on 4th and inches.

We need a coach that is a MAN.

Texas · 09-12-2005

Palmer needs to go...Capers will learn some day so hes worth keeping.

**edo783** · 09-12-2005

I wouldn't mind changing several spots, HC, OC and OL coach. However, I doubt at this point we could aquire anyone of quality to take the positions. It's easy to say get JJ or Kubiac, but the reality is they most likely wouldn't be interested at this time. At the end of the season you MIGHT be able to induce them as then they would have time to install their system and coaching staffs. Do it now, and they inheret all the currect issues and that is something they are too smart to do. Unless there is a long run (5 games?) of major routes, I doubt we do much till the offseason, then I look for a MAJOR house cleaning with a new head coach bringing in a mostly new staff. CC will stay for a couple of years more IMO.

texan767 · 09-12-2005

Should we read anything into Bob McNair showing up with JJ at the Reliant Center?

**PapaL** · 09-12-2005

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Originally Posted by BuffSoldier

Changing coaches in the middle of the season wouldnt do any good, because the Texans would have to learn a whole new offense, so I can wait till the end of the season.

I was thinking the same thing, but if the changed happened now they would have this season to learn it under fire, next offseason to completely get it down and be rolling with it next year. But we would have to sacrifice this year. Kind of early for that.

CowboysTexansFan · 09-12-2005

I think Palmer needs to be fired now. One of the position coaches on offense could take over the play calling, thus no need to change the entire offense mid-season.

Unless the team plays with more passion and gets better results, I would fire Capers at the end of the season. I like and respect Capers, and think he has a lot of character, but he may be more suited to be a Defensive Coordinator than a head coach. I'd love for Mr. McNair to bring in someone like Jimmy Johnson or someone in the Bill Parcells mold, a cantankerous SOB that the players fear. A head coach who makes everyone's lives miserable when the team performs poorly.

SBTexans08 · 09-12-2005

I don't think it's prudent to fire our entire coaching staff now and bring in a new one. Let's let this season ride out, with McNair letting it be known that heads are coming off unless we see some competitiveness in this Texans team. If they still show nothing, no creativeness, no ability to adjust, etc.....then fire them and pick someone else up as soon as the season comes to a close.

COLOBUFF · 09-12-2005

Don't blame the players. All the blame , as in the past should be shouldered by the coaching staff. It is pretty difficult for any offense in the NFL to be productive when they are limited to about 3 plays that the other teams defense already knows and what sequence those plays are going to be ran. First down hand-off to Davis, second down hand-off to Davis, third down throw the ball to Johnson at line of scrimmage and pray that he breaks one. The defense being offside 4 or was it 5 times reflects directly on lack of discipline, which reflects directly on our defense minded head coach.
Mcnair will see the light before the end of this season......He is a successful businessman and I would think his tolerance for the mistakes is reaching an end.
The problem with the offense is obvious. They drafted the wrong players to try to play smashmouth football. Change the offense or trade the players and start over if this is the type of offense you want to run....run..run..pass on 3rd and 25.

cuppacoffee · 09-12-2005

One of the threads mentions trying to hire Johnson. I did not follow his career so I dont know the reason we would want him. I know he had some success at Dallas and was fired and I think he was hired by the Dolphins. Did he coach at Miami and if so, was he successful there as well?
If Johnson is an option, why not hire him now as a consultant of some kind to advise our current staff on how to coach?
Lord knows we need to do something! :brickwall

cac:

Rightnow · 09-12-2005

It's this guy or nobody!!!!

sulli60 · 09-12-2005

I've been a Palmer basher for a few years now and more recently a Capers basher. When is our defense going to start putting pressure on the QB? Isn't that the only reason to have a headcoach like Capers? Hell, the Jaquars defense seemed to improve once Caper's left to be our head guy.

I'm getting really tired of that stupid confused look on the sidelines. He makes Jack Pardee look like Nobel physicist. I say no to Jimmy Johnson, though. He did nothing at Miami worth noting and probably couldn't get it done in the Salary cap era.

I expect the Texans to be 0-2 because they're not built to stop a power running team like the Steelers. After two slaps in the face I hope they wake up and play with some pride.

texan279 · 09-12-2005

How about Dave Wanstadt?

cred · 09-12-2005

Quote:

Originally Posted by htownhitman

How about an option to change coaches at mid-season?

Agreed, wait till mid-season, and if no better, FIRE CHRIS PALMER

Porky · 09-12-2005

If I could, I would fire all of the coaches, plus CC, the scouts, the Waterboys, the trainers, the Cheerleaders (well OK not the cheerleaders), the parking lot attendents, the guy who serves the players lunch, the janitors, Jerry - the guy who fills the coffee machine, the laundry attendent, the limo driver, and lastly the players themselves.

PSL for life · 09-12-2005

I think if we get our arses handed to us at home this week against Pittsburgh, which is likely, we'll see some changes on Monday. If not then it won't happen until Jan. I hope like heck we can turn it around but don't see how with the O line we have. They really need to spread the field and put Carr in the shotgun all day against Pittsburgh.

cred · 09-12-2005

I am just curious to what happend to the three step drops and some of the things that were supposed to be done to help. Count it, there were only 4 offensive plays that were of a 3 step drop. Are we tring to get the first pick of next years draft. I support the team but I do not support the play calling at all.

(1) How do we punt on 4th down and about 3 inches, if we can't get three inches, we definitly don't deserve to win.

(2) Again how do we punt on 4th and 2 with less that 6 min left in the game when your down 2 scores. Sometimes you have to play to win, not just play not to lose.

(3) Choose at least 3 (that I can remember of) running plays when it was 3rd and like 15 or 20 yards to go.

I truely can not comprehend what some of the coaching staff is thinking about?

JfromthaTray · 09-12-2005

Its not fair of you to read my mind and post the threads before I do. Either those were some of the most pathetic coaching decisions I've ever seen, or Capers outsmarted us all because he knew they werenot going to make it anyway. But I'm with you, I would have much rather have seen them go down fighting. And that way, the players would have been held accountable.

Ibar_Harry · 09-12-2005

Its kind of funny, but one of the guys I would approach about helping with the O-line is a guy who ran up and down the side line in the 1st season being the offensive cheer leader. He couldn't play, but he really tried to help the team. Seems he had a shoulder injury, but he does know how to play the LT position. He's been in the trenches and he seems to know how to motivate people and he's a good person. This club needs some teachers who know what the hell they are doing and know how to play winning football. He was and will always be a winner. I think he owes us a favor or two anyway. We treated him well and now may be he could help us in an unanticipated way. Of course I'm refering to Boselli. You know what, he might even make a good head coach. Yes, we are that desperate................

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09-12-2005	#25
edo783 Site Contributor Join Date: Apr 2004 Location: Houston, again. Posts: 7,700 Rep Power: 4640	I wouldn't mind changing several spots, HC, OC and OL coach. However, I doubt at this point we could aquire anyone of quality to take the positions. It's easy to say get JJ or Kubiac, but the reality is they most likely wouldn't be interested at this time. At the end of the season you MIGHT be able to induce them as then they would have time to install their system and coaching staffs. Do it now, and they inheret all the currect issues and that is something they are too smart to do. Unless there is a long run (5 games?) of major routes, I doubt we do much till the offseason, then I look for a MAJOR house cleaning with a new head coach bringing in a mostly new staff. CC will stay for a couple of years more IMO. __________________ De Oppresso Liber

09-12-2005	#29
SBTexans08 All Pro Join Date: Apr 2004 Location: 3rd Coast Age: 33 Posts: 677 Rep Power: 10	I don't think it's prudent to fire our entire coaching staff now and bring in a new one. Let's let this season ride out, with McNair letting it be known that heads are coming off unless we see some competitiveness in this Texans team. If they still show nothing, no creativeness, no ability to adjust, etc.....then fire them and pick someone else up as soon as the season comes to a close. __________________ MY XBOX 360 GAMER PROFILE

09-12-2005	#30
COLOBUFF waterboy Join Date: Sep 2005 Age: 57 Posts: 2 Rep Power: 0	3 Play Offense..coaches Gotta Go Don't blame the players. All the blame , as in the past should be shouldered by the coaching staff. It is pretty difficult for any offense in the NFL to be productive when they are limited to about 3 plays that the other teams defense already knows and what sequence those plays are going to be ran. First down hand-off to Davis, second down hand-off to Davis, third down throw the ball to Johnson at line of scrimmage and pray that he breaks one. The defense being offside 4 or was it 5 times reflects directly on lack of discipline, which reflects directly on our defense minded head coach. Mcnair will see the light before the end of this season......He is a successful businessman and I would think his tolerance for the mistakes is reaching an end. The problem with the offense is obvious. They drafted the wrong players to try to play smashmouth football. Change the offense or trade the players and start over if this is the type of offense you want to run....run..run..pass on 3rd and 25.

09-12-2005	#31
cuppacoffee Resident Grouch Join Date: Apr 2004 Age: 73 Posts: 3,993 Rep Power: 16239	Jimmy Johnson? One of the threads mentions trying to hire Johnson. I did not follow his career so I dont know the reason we would want him. I know he had some success at Dallas and was fired and I think he was hired by the Dolphins. Did he coach at Miami and if so, was he successful there as well? If Johnson is an option, why not hire him now as a consultant of some kind to advise our current staff on how to coach? Lord knows we need to do something! :brickwall cac: __________________ Everyone is a moon and has a dark side which they never show to anyone. - Mark Twain

09-12-2005	#21
COOL V Rookie Join Date: Sep 2004 Location: Idaho(Ugh!) Age: 42 Posts: 53 Rep Power: 9	I thought Mcnair was a business man, a winner. What's up??? Does he ever voice an opinion on TV??? He needs to reassure the fans that he'll do whatever it takes to put a winner on the field. And ditch those makeshift coaches. Does he know we lost today??? I swear he's riding his horses somewhere. Did the coaches know that this was a Regular Season Game???

09-12-2005	#24
Texas Hall of Fame Join Date: Aug 2005 Location: Clear Lake Age: 24 Posts: 1,030 Rep Power: 9	Palmer needs to go...Capers will learn some day so hes worth keeping.

09-12-2005	#26
texan767 Rookie Join Date: Sep 2005 Location: Sugar Land Age: 53 Posts: 51 Rep Power: 8	Should we read anything into Bob McNair showing up with JJ at the Reliant Center?

09-12-2005	#28
CowboysTexansFan Veteran Join Date: Mar 2005 Age: 46 Posts: 311 Rep Power: 9	I think Palmer needs to be fired now. One of the position coaches on offense could take over the play calling, thus no need to change the entire offense mid-season. Unless the team plays with more passion and gets better results, I would fire Capers at the end of the season. I like and respect Capers, and think he has a lot of character, but he may be more suited to be a Defensive Coordinator than a head coach. I'd love for Mr. McNair to bring in someone like Jimmy Johnson or someone in the Bill Parcells mold, a cantankerous SOB that the players fear. A head coach who makes everyone's lives miserable when the team performs poorly.

09-12-2005	#32
Rightnow Veteran Join Date: Oct 2004 Age: 39 Posts: 248 Rep Power: 9	It's this guy or nobody!!!!

09-12-2005	#33
sulli60 Rookie Join Date: Jul 2004 Location: Houston, TX Age: 14 Posts: 38 Rep Power: 0	I've been a Palmer basher for a few years now and more recently a Capers basher. When is our defense going to start putting pressure on the QB? Isn't that the only reason to have a headcoach like Capers? Hell, the Jaquars defense seemed to improve once Caper's left to be our head guy. I'm getting really tired of that stupid confused look on the sidelines. He makes Jack Pardee look like Nobel physicist. I say no to Jimmy Johnson, though. He did nothing at Miami worth noting and probably couldn't get it done in the Salary cap era. I expect the Texans to be 0-2 because they're not built to stop a power running team like the Steelers. After two slaps in the face I hope they wake up and play with some pride.

09-12-2005	#34
texan279 Hall of Fame Join Date: Apr 2004 Location: Rosenberg TX Age: 34 Posts: 5,561 Rep Power: 538	How about Dave Wanstadt? __________________ Fire It Up, Let the engines roll, It's time to burn it down

09-12-2005	#36
Porky Hall of Fame Join Date: Apr 2004 Age: 49 Posts: 11,363 Rep Power: 15839	If I could, I would fire all of the coaches, plus CC, the scouts, the Waterboys, the trainers, the Cheerleaders (well OK not the cheerleaders), the parking lot attendents, the guy who serves the players lunch, the janitors, Jerry - the guy who fills the coffee machine, the laundry attendent, the limo driver, and lastly the players themselves. __________________ Your local CruiseOne Vacation specialist. www.firstclasscruising.biz Visit me on Facebook.

09-12-2005	#37
PSL for life Rookie Join Date: Aug 2004 Age: 44 Posts: 12 Rep Power: 0	Bye week ripe for changes I think if we get our arses handed to us at home this week against Pittsburgh, which is likely, we'll see some changes on Monday. If not then it won't happen until Jan. I hope like heck we can turn it around but don't see how with the O line we have. They really need to spread the field and put Carr in the shotgun all day against Pittsburgh. __________________ It takes a big man to cry, it takes a bigger man to laugh at that man.

09-12-2005	#38
cred Rookie Join Date: Jun 2005 Location: Ft. Benning, Ga Age: 38 Posts: 98 Rep Power: 8	I am just curious to what happend to the three step drops and some of the things that were supposed to be done to help. Count it, there were only 4 offensive plays that were of a 3 step drop. Are we tring to get the first pick of next years draft. I support the team but I do not support the play calling at all. (1) How do we punt on 4th down and about 3 inches, if we can't get three inches, we definitly don't deserve to win. (2) Again how do we punt on 4th and 2 with less that 6 min left in the game when your down 2 scores. Sometimes you have to play to win, not just play not to lose. (3) Choose at least 3 (that I can remember of) running plays when it was 3rd and like 15 or 20 yards to go. I truely can not comprehend what some of the coaching staff is thinking about?

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09-12-2005	#39
JfromthaTray Veteran Join Date: Apr 2005 Posts: 108 Rep Power: 9	Its not fair of you to read my mind and post the threads before I do. Either those were some of the most pathetic coaching decisions I've ever seen, or Capers outsmarted us all because he knew they werenot going to make it anyway. But I'm with you, I would have much rather have seen them go down fighting. And that way, the players would have been held accountable.

09-12-2005	#40
Ibar_Harry Hall of Fame Join Date: Apr 2004 Posts: 2,219 Rep Power: 14	Its kind of funny, but one of the guys I would approach about helping with the O-line is a guy who ran up and down the side line in the 1st season being the offensive cheer leader. He couldn't play, but he really tried to help the team. Seems he had a shoulder injury, but he does know how to play the LT position. He's been in the trenches and he seems to know how to motivate people and he's a good person. This club needs some teachers who know what the hell they are doing and know how to play winning football. He was and will always be a winner. I think he owes us a favor or two anyway. We treated him well and now may be he could help us in an unanticipated way. Of course I'm refering to Boselli. You know what, he might even make a good head coach. Yes, we are that desperate................

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