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Old 09-11-2005   #41
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Sorry J-Storm, but in week 17 there won't be a playoff spot on the line unless San Francisco kicks it up a notch and the rest of the NFC Teams all lose. I don't see them having that going for them right now, it sure won't be our spot on the line.
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You make a great point really and I see it easily. All I'm sayin' is I think (and this applies to other teams not just ours) the playcalling is way too conservative. The idea is possession and using that possession to score. You can't do that by punting on every 4th and ever-so-close... And ok we got the ball back and still threw a pick, but if you can't trust your team with time on the clock, how do you trust them with the clock moving against you...doesn't make sense to me...
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Sorry J-Storm, but in week 17 there won't be a playoff spot on the line unless San Francisco kicks it up a notch and the rest of the NFC Teams all lose. I don't see them having that going for them right now, it sure won't be our spot on the line.
Ha ha ha, good point, I was just using a hypothetical situation was all. I'm a realist unlike a few here and I'll be happy if we get away with 1 more win than last yr. I'm not counting on playoffs 'til next yr at earliest...
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We were on our own 33. I don't blame them for punting. We still had a shot at the win if we hold them and score and get the onside. If we don't convert, the game is over right there. They are already in field position.
true, we were on our own 33, by punting the coaching staff destroyed the already meak confidence of the offense. did you see our next series, or lack there of?
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The facial expression is almost scary because it looks like he really is totaly at a loss. It's amazing how many people have noticed this and yet I have been talking about how frozen and indecisive he is. I honestly believe its an inherant trait and has nothing to do with him as a person. People who are prolific note takers and who are so driven by minute detail are often incapable of making decisions on the fly. Capers is simply not a leader and never will be. He is a good man, but he shouldn't be leading this ball club.
It would almost have to be inheretied. Even in Carolina he never seemed like a coach that players rallied around. They were good because of all the veterns on that team that rallied the team. Here its becoming apperant that he is the problem as the HC. I really wouldnt mind seeing him as a DC. I just think he his overwhelmed as the HC.
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I'm sorry I had to throw that in there. I hope for the best for my Texans and it kills me when we have so much potential, but keep coming up short. I thought Bob Mcnair was a business man, A Winner. Who knows, maybe he's tending to his horses. I hate having my football season end in December Year after Year.
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true, we were on our own 33, by punting the coaching staff destroyed the already meak confidence of the offense. did you see our next series, or lack there of?
You don't build confidence by taking risks that totally guarantee you losing the game in one play if it doesn't work out. If that play fails the game is over with 6 mins left. Punting keeps the game alive for the team.
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Do you think they could do that again if they tried?
Embarrassing!!!!
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You don't build confidence by taking risks that totally guarantee you losing the game in one play if it doesn't work out. If that play fails the game is over with 6 mins left. Punting keeps the game alive for the team.
conventionally, you never go for it on 4 down in your own territory, but in a game where you are down 2 touchdowns with 6 minutes to go and your offense needs momentum more than anything not to mention that the opposing team has one of the best RBs and OLs in the league to effectively eat up clock, YOU GO FOR IT!!!
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We were on our own 33. I don't blame them for punting. We still had a shot at the win if we hold them and score and get the onside. If we don't convert, the game is over right there. They are already in field position.

I still dont agree with it Vinny. Our defense had been on the field way too much and were obviously tired. On top of that, we had been handing McGahee yards hand over fist.

Just seemed like a bad move.. of course.. our offense was sucking wind as well, so I dont blame Capers for not trusting them to get the 1st either.
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You don't build confidence by taking risks that totally guarantee you losing the game in one play if it doesn't work out. If that play fails the game is over with 6 mins left. Punting keeps the game alive for the team.
We had 107 yds of offense and 7 points in 54 minutes. If anything, go for it on 4th down as a symbolic gesture that we will keep trying, you and me both know the game is over at that point, but at least give your offense one defining play where they can make something happen. I mean, when you go for it in the first quarter and make it, you establish yourself as a risk-taking team, then not going for it when you needed a touchdown to maintain any illusion of a comeback, you take the ball out of Carr's hands and hand it back to Buffalo, who, by the way, were close to our 33 within about 4 plays.....
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You don't build confidence by taking risks that totally guarantee you losing the game in one play if it doesn't work out. If that play fails the game is over with 6 mins left. Punting keeps the game alive for the team.
Vinny do you honestly believe that when the other team has a very good running back and have offensively dominated you in time and possession the whole day. The only way you were going to win the game was to keep the drive going and score a TD and then you might still have to do an onside kick to retain possession. If we were one touchdown down, then I would agree with you, but not two TD's down particularly when we play a bend and don't break defense. We had yet pressured Losman the whole game. That's loosing football at that point. The game was already lost and you are talking about not loosing. We really do have very different points of view and I think I have been watching longer than your 4 decades. After all I got to watch Gifford and YA Titel and then there was Van Brocklin with Philadelphia and Golden Hair QB with Detroit. Oh, well history does have its players, but we are talking now and not then. Cleveland had a running back by the name of Jimmy Brown too. Fact is I had an uncle way back when that played I believe it was for St Louis who later became the LA Rams and then back to St Louis. At least I though that was the way it was. May be I'm getting sennial.

Anyway I agree with most who are posting that we needed to give our offense a chance to build their confidence. They might not have made it, but at least they would have gone done trying. They would have known that they would have at least had a chance, rather than dying on the bench wondering what would have happened if they would have gone for it.
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We had 107 yds of offense and 7 points in 54 minutes. If anything, go for it on 4th down as a symbolic gesture that we will keep trying,
You don't make symbolic gestures when you can still win the game. Oye. Not punting with 6 mins left in a 2 score game while you are in your opponents field goal position is just dumb football.

I've said my peace on this one. You guys can bash the call till you feel better. Have fun.

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I agree with this post.It makes no sense to punt when you need 2 scores and there's only 5 min. left.Thats giving up in my book.Who cares where we were on the field at that point in the game.
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It was 5 minutes and some change. The TV comentator even said he couldn't believe we were punting the game errr ball away.

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I heard that too. He also said, "Is it me, or do the Texans always run on 1st down"
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Put me down in the "go for it" camp. I think the punt is defensible, but incomprehensible, given the circumestances. Unlike Vinny, I think the only chance they had was to go for it. When they punted, they basically surrerendered. With an ordinary offense on an ordinary day, I would have punted too. But, on this day, with this team, at this time, to me it was a no brainer to go for it.
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My favorite play call was 2 and 20 and its a hand off for 2 yards lol.
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My gut reaction was "Go for it!" when it was 4th and inches. Realistically, if he had gone for it and they didn't convert, he would have been blasted far worse. And most of y'all would have been right on the bandwagon blasting him. I totally identify with the thought that if you can't make 3 inches on a play, then go to the locker room now. However, the offense had given zero indication to that point that they could make the three inches (nor at any point thereafter, for that matter).

I really, really, really (I could type that a few more times) have a problem with the playcalling. I have pointed out playcalling flaws for the past few years that they just keep committing. Whoever it is that keeps deciding on draw plays on 2nd down, after losing yardage on 1st down, needs to be fired. NOW. A draw on 2nd and 10 .... MAYBE. 2nd and 20? No way. Especially when you factor in our O-line woes. One of our more successful plays is that little quick hit to AJ where he gets four to eight yards, on a pretty consistent basis, it seems. I don't think they called that play until the second half. And I'm not sure if anyone in the coaching staff has noticed, but that play doesn't work when you throw it to Bradford. Stop it, really.

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Whoever it is that keeps deciding on draw plays on 2nd down, after losing yardage on 1st down, needs to be fired. NOW. A draw on 2nd and 10 .... MAYBE. 2nd and 20? No way. Especially when you factor in our O-line woes.
You may want to fire Carr then. I think that was an audible by Carr.
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You may want to fire Carr then. I think that was an audible by Carr.
Actually, if it's anything like it was the last couple seasons, Carr is not allowed to audible out to anything but a subset of plays, based on what he observes at the line of srimmage. So if he lines up on certan pass plays, he only has one run audible available to him. This subject has come up before and been beaten to death.

Whoever "sets" those audibles for Carr and limits him from doing anything creative at the line (not that he's capable; we don't know) is the culprit here.
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