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Old 09-19-2005   #81
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T. Johnson - 1 Tackle
D. Johnson - 7 Tackles, 1 Assist (and broke up several passes)

Too bad the guy doesn't fit our system...
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DJ has a much better supporting cast around him than AJ, plus being a LB has more mobility. Blitz packages(something the Texans don't seem to have), a defense that is making things happen.

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You cannot compare stats between a LB and a defensive lineman...
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T. Johnson - 1 Tackle
D. Johnson - 7 Tackles, 1 Assist (and broke up several passes)

Too bad the guy doesn't fit our system...
you forgot he also recovered a fumble and a TD was called back because a Raider was holding him on a long Jordan run, thats the difference in the game
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You cannot compare stats between a LB and a defensive lineman...
I dont know why you fight them so much. They want stats. They want highlights. They dont want a hard nose player who clogs up the middle, so others can make plays.

Compairing a OLB, to a DE in tackles, is like compairing a TE to a WR, in yardage gained. You just dont understand. And thats ok with me.
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We're talking about drafting a playmaker really. He is already better than any of the Texans linebackers.
He's only better than all of our Lbs because we have a ****** DLine. There both not mutually exclusive.
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You cannot compare stats between a LB and a defensive lineman...
My bad...

D. Johnson - 7 Tackles, 1 Assist

Babin, Peak and Greenwood - 8 Tackles, 1 Assist
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D. Johnson - 7 Tackles, 1 Assist

Babin, Peak and Greenwood - 8 Tackles, 1 Assist
DJ - 7 tackles 1 assist

Wong- 11 tackles 7 assists
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Yes, DJ does have a much better supporting cast around him than TJ (I assume you meant TJ and not AJ on that touttail). The thing is in order to get a better supporting you have to start somewhere. The first good guy anywhere has a lousy supporting cast.

Come to think of it wasn't Kansas City the team that had no defense? How could KC have a better supporting cast than TJ when KC's crummy defense is legendary?
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DJ - 7 tackles 1 assist

Wong- 11 tackles 7 assists
Just think if they were playing together on the same team.

DJ and Wong 18 tackles 8 assists
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Here's how they compare after week 1....

DJ - 8 tackles, 1 assist, 1 sack, 1 fumble recovered.

TJ - 2 tackles.

Derrick Johnson would not have been a good fit here... he actually makes tackles and plays.

BTW... The 4 starting LB's for the Texans had 10 tackles, 0 sacks and 0 fumble recoveries. And were playing against a weaker offensive line.

WHEN WILL THIS DEBATE DIE!

look at the defensive scheme he's playing in and look at ours and honestly tell me you think he'd be as effective here. This arguement has been a lame duck from the get go.

You told us so! We get it! Is that what you want to hear? Is that what will make this useless babble go away.

Why not contribute something more productive than an I told you so that can't even be proven. No one said DJ wasn't a good player or athlete. It was simply a question of where he would fit in in our defensive scheme. The GM and Coaching staff obviously figured that he wouldn't. And as far as drafting TJ, with Gary-I hurt my (insert body part here)-Walker riding the pine again after this weeks injury, depth on the D-line looks like a pretty good idea.
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DJ - 7 tackles 1 assist

Wong- 11 tackles 7 assists
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Yes, DJ does have a much better supporting cast around him than TJ (I assume you meant TJ and not AJ on that touttail). The thing is in order to get a better supporting you have to start somewhere. The first good guy anywhere has a lousy supporting cast.

Come to think of it wasn't Kansas City the team that had no defense? How could KC have a better supporting cast than TJ when KC's crummy defense is legendary?
Kansas City added Patrick Surtain, Sammy Knight and Kendrell Bell to their defense.

Houston added Phillip Buchanon, Marlon Greenwood and lost Jamie Sharper and Aaron Glenn.

But you're right about having to start somewhere. And if you look around the league at the successful teams running the 3-4 (New England and Pittsburgh), you'll see that they started on the DL.

But again, I'll re-iterate...

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This will never die.

Tony Boselli never playing a down will never die. Bennie Joppru being injured for the rest of his natural life will never die. Giving up 5 first day picks for Buchanon and Babin will never die. Getting David Carr sacked 76 times in his rookie year will never die.

Look william.carter, there are things that teams do that stay with them forever. People will talk about them for as long as people talk about the team. Some things in this world are ripe for being forever second guessed. Taking TJ when DJ fell to the Texans will be one of those. Get used to it because you're going to see it every year for as long as the two of them play in this league. Then, after they're gone you'll see it brought up every time the Texans do something even a little bit questionable in the draft.

Thinking that this will end is like watching the playoffs and thinking you won't hear someone mention the Buffalo comeback. It's a nice dream but it has zero chance of happening.

And for the record the Texans were fools to pass on DJ when he fell to them.
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WHEN WILL THIS DEBATE DIE!
It's not really a debate. The Texans had the opportunity to get a play making linebacker which is something this team does not currently have. The guy is obviously a better player as a rookie than anyone on the Texans entire defense, excluding Robinson.

It just points out one of many personnel mistakes this organization has made and these mistakes are not going to magically go away.
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Huge, you're going to be saying that a lot this season.

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Thinking that this will end is like watching the playoffs and thinking you won't hear someone mention the Buffalo comeback. It's a nice dream but it has zero chance of happening.
God! That is so true. Whenever I look back at the Oilers, that horrific day in Buffalo always leaps to the front.

What a wonderful legacy they left, huh?
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KC v. Denver tonight. It should be fun watching Derrick Johnson continue his campaign for ROY. He should get a couple of sacks and about 10 tackles tonight. The kind of performance that would not fit the Texans' system.
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Demarcus Ware - 9 tackles, 1 sack
Marcus Spears - 5 tackles, .5 sack

What the hell was Parcells/Jones thinking!?!?!? They could've drafted Derrick Johnson and his production would been greater than both of our first round picks combined!


Kerry Rhodes - 20 tackles, 1 INT (4th Round)
Brodney Pool - 7 tackles, 0 INTs (2nd Round)

No wonder Cleveland is at the bottom of the food chain every year. Their FO is chocked full of dummies also.


Carnell Williams - 434 rushing yards, 2 TDs
Ronnie Brown - 224 rushing yards, 1 TD

And Williams was the 3rd RB taken? Jumanji!!!
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Derrick Johnson - 17 Tackles, 1 Sack, 1 Fumble Recovery

Kailee Wong - 18 Tackles, 0 Sacks, 0 Fumble Recoveries
Jason Babin - 6 Tackles, 0 Sacks, 0 Fumble Recoveries
Morlon Greenwood - 10 Tackles, 0 Sacks, 0 Fumble Recoveries
Antwan Peek - 7 Tackes, 1 Sack, 0 Fumble Recoveries

All together now, DERRICK JOHNSON IS BETTER THAN ANY LINEBACKER WE HAVE.

If you want to compare apples to apples, where does DJ rank among LOLB?
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I didn't realize Wong had that many tackles.

That gives him more than Chad Brown or Monty Biesel (Patriots' ILBs), more than James Farrior or Larry Foote (Steelers' ILBs) and more than Derek Smith or Jeff Ulbrich (49ers' ILBs).

That's pretty good company.
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